[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Papi_swav]

I'm perfectly fine with keeping Kyrie and letting him suffer at home for the year. Lakers are desperate, lebron time is ticking and street clothes is not going to make his life easier. We all seen how last year played out with westbrick there, they are desperately trying to get rid of him. I highly doubt lakers want to waste another year of lebron, he might end up being the next one asking for a trade lol

This right here.

Sure, the Lakers might not care to keep Westbrook for another year since he's expiring but what about Lebron? Look at how angry he was at the FO last year because they refused to move off picks to improve the team (which was the right decision mind you). How do you think he's going to react to the Lakers refusing to trade more picks to not only get of Westbrook but ALSO get Kyrie and Harris/Seth? He's turning 38 this year, he probably won't even be in the league in a few years; he wants to win now and wasting another year can't be ideal for him. Not to mention his extension is coming up and that could be at risk if he's frustrated at the Lakers for not going doing the deal.

I'm not saying don't accept the Westbrook deal if I'm the Nets, just don't do it now. It's not going anywhere lol. Kyrie is untradeable to any other team but so is Westbrook. I don't care what these Laker fans say about this Darvin Ham nonsense, do they honestly believe Westbrook is going to change his game and "sacrifice" for a team that's openly trading him? They'll be better then last year not because the roster improved but because last year went so disastrously bad that it can't get any worse.

I just don't get why Brooklyn would rather lose Irving for nothing then gain assets just to stick it to the lakers? It just makes no sense. And since Westbrook is expiring there is a good chance Brooklyn could flip Westbrook for assets like Hayward if they chose to compete. If all fails just buy out Westbrook.

why do ya keep saying "just to stick it to the Lakers"? nobody cares about the lakers, it's about sticking it to Kyrie the nutcase. This is what he wants, and I'm saying we shouldn't give him what he wants, screw him he doesn't deserve it. Let him rot at home for all I care. Wastbrick is not an asset what so ever. And 1 measly draft pick that most likely will be protected is barely an asset as well. Not having Kyrie in the locker room will be great, not having westbrick in this locker room and on the team will also be great. What asset are we getting here? A pick in the late 20s? not worth it.

[jfs1000d]

Anyone who thinks kyrie’s value is greater than Westbrook is high.

There isnt another team in the nba that wants kyrie. Lol.


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[Kilroy]

Windy did that interview after being on coke for 4 days without sleep...

[facothomas22]

Anyone who thinks kyrie’s value is greater than Westbrook is high.

There isnt another team in the nba that wants kyrie. Lol.


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The Mavericks? The Heat if they don't get Kevin Durant? The Knicks if they didn't get Brunson? Trust me,there are still teams that want Kyrie. I mean there are a few teams who want Ben Simmons and he hasn't played in over a year,while also haven't developed a jumpshot whatsoever since coming to the NBA.

[Shock Defeat]

Lakers fans are the ONLY people thinking that Russ and Kyrie is equal value. This is yet another example of Lakers "privilege".

Nets should tell Kyrie to sit at home rather than trade him if all they are getting is Westbrook.

Lemme ask you this... Who else wants Kyrie? I'll wait...

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

[levon]

Lakers fans are the ONLY people thinking that Russ and Kyrie is equal value. This is yet another example of Lakers "privilege".

Nets should tell Kyrie to sit at home rather than trade him if all they are getting is Westbrook.

Lemme ask you this... Who else wants Kyrie? I'll wait...

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

And now you understand the trade.

[Kilroy]

Lakers fans are the ONLY people thinking that Russ and Kyrie is equal value. This is yet another example of Lakers "privilege".

Nets should tell Kyrie to sit at home rather than trade him if all they are getting is Westbrook.

Lemme ask you this... Who else wants Kyrie? I'll wait...

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

And now you understand the trade.

[Eric Bieniemy]

I see some folks here saying "The Lakers always get top guys to force their way to the Lakers." Historically, that may be true, but in this case Irving only wants to go to the Lakers because their the only team with their arms outstretched that would welcome him.

Don't conflate arguments and reveal past trauma as if it relates to this situation. No one wants him. Many here would pass up on a free draft pick and Joe Harris salary relief to spite Irving, but deep down you really want to spite the Lakers.

"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!"

[Shock Defeat]

Lemme ask you this... Who else wants Kyrie? I'll wait...

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

And now you understand the trade.

I understand that Brooklyn has no reason to help Irving or strengthen another team.

Dallas would be interested in Kyrie. There.

[Pointgod]

Lakers fans are the ONLY people thinking that Russ and Kyrie is equal value. This is yet another example of Lakers "privilege".

Nets should tell Kyrie to sit at home rather than trade him if all they are getting is Westbrook.

Lemme ask you this... Who else wants Kyrie? I'll wait...

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

Westbrook’s and Kyrie’s respective trade value

[levon]

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

And now you understand the trade.

I understand that Brooklyn has no reason to help Irving or strengthen another team.

Dallas would be interested in Kyrie. There.

Okay, but reports say not really.

Brooklyn does have reasons. Draft capital + clearing salary for what's coming in the Durant trade. It's really not rocket science.

[Pointgod]

Lemme ask you this... Who else wants Kyrie? I'll wait...

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

And now you understand the trade.

No one wants Kyrie and no one wants Westbrook so the Lakers have to add picks to get Kyrie? How does that make sense?

[Eric Bieniemy]

The Pels should get in on this action:

Ingram, McCollum, Valanciunas, Tre Murphy, Kira Lewis, and any number of draft picks for Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant, and Joe Harris.

PG - Irving - Alvarado - Graham
SG - Jones - Harris - Temple
C - Williamson - Hayes - Matkovic
PF - Durant - Hernangomez - Liddell
SF - Nance - Daniels - Marshall

[Slim Tubby]

Why in the eff would the Nets gift 2 quality players for a disaster even as an expiring contract? There isn’t enough trade value that the Lakers can offer to take on that deal.


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[RSP83]

Maybe when Russ gets traded to the Nets, he can convince KD to stay. I would love to see KD and Russ at peace with their career, reunite, and just play basketball. Especially Russ, Kyrie's act really put Russ in perspective. Here's a guy who people like to hate because of his style of play, but the guy just play basketball, and I never heard him being a toxic teammate. So, I wish Russ would find a team that he can return to playing at a high level and still have chance at winning championship. If KD can get his mind right and embrace Russ it could still work. I can see myself rooting for Brooklyn.

There’s just one problem with this….KD wants to win a ring (a real one). And Westbrick sucks now. He can’t win with Westbrick.

LOL then he could've just stayed with the Warriors. Just own it, KD! He can help right the ship in Brooklyn if he's willing to step up be the leader he should be. The problem is Kyrie, you trade him and you still have something to work with. In fact, that's what having Kevin Durant on your team should mean, so that teams can build around you. If KD himself don't think he's a building block then why as another franchise I should sell my future to just bring him over? Same thing could happen to my franchise.

[tsherkin]

And just to add, I sympathize with Russ's aging struggles more than most. It is a lot easier for a defensive oriented big to age like a Duncan or KG. They slowly retire their offensive game and just focus on applying defensive skills that age slowly. Pass first point guards also find it easier.

But ball dominant guards who aren't great shooters they have to really revamp their games. They have to learn new skills, completely revamp their style of play. Russ when he gets older has to start playing massively off ball which is much harder than people realize. He has to focus a lot more energy on defense which again is changing the way he's played for 10+ yrs. It is just a lot harder transition than what players in different positions go through. It is why so many guys like him implode as they age.

Russ' problem was that for most of his career, he wasn't worth it to begin with, so when the inevitable decline began, he suffered faster and more so than many. It's not due to his personality, though. He's a little extra, but he's relatively young, very rich and an entertainment figure. He's allowed to be a little eccentric. He's a bit hypersensitive to criticism, but that's not a sin.

As you say, defensive bigs and pass-first PGs can age more gracefully, but that's because they are leaned on a lot less. Someone like Stockton, who worked very well delivering pocket passes out of the PnR and basic passes to players whose open shots were generated by the system work out pretty well too. Even someone like Magic, I mean, he was able to bridge the gap between both of those player types because he could post a bit, give up the ball, hit the defensive glass, move the ball ahead, la la la.

If Russ had a jumper worth mentioning, he certainly still has the athleticism and the size to be competent, but his best season was 102 TS+. He had a 6-year peak of around 101 TS+, which is pretty bad. I don't know that I'd say I sympathize with his struggles, because he wasn't that good a scorer to begin with, which meant that it was generally a weak idea for him to have the ball as much as he did in the first place. That said, it's also a shame, because his playmaking certainly developed over his career. he certainly wasn't Rajon Rondo, you know what I mean?

For LA, if they're able to pull this off, if they're able to turn Russ into Kyrie, that's going to be a MAJOR victory. Irving IS a headcase; he is a straight-up nutso headcase, but he's worked with Lebron to title before. For a single season, maybe two, he can function as #2 to Lebron, especially after seeing what it was like away from him this past stretch. Another ring would be a big deal to him, and it would be possible with Lebron for a year, maybe two.

[Tor_Raps]

I'm sorry but the Mavs need to be all over this. Getting Kyrie for cheap will help ease the blow of losing Brunson.

With 1 year left on his contract, as soon as he becomes a huge distraction, just release the guy. He won't cost much at all if Westbrook and a pick is the best offer right now.

[levon]

Lemme ask you this, who wants Westbrook? I’ll wait

And now you understand the trade.

No one wants Kyrie and no one wants Westbrook so the Lakers have to add picks to get Kyrie? How does that make sense?

It's true that Lakers just have to outbid the competition, not themselves. But there are other subtleties. For example, if they want an expiring Seth, they'll have to compensate more. One way they could do that is by taking Harris back too but they've signaled they're not willing to have long-term money. Alternatively they can send Harris to a third team for cap space and the Lakers send some draft compensation to that team for accepting him.

[levon]

I'm sorry but the Mavs need to be all over this. Getting Kyrie for cheap will help ease the blow of losing Brunson.

With 1 year left on his contract, as soon as he becomes a huge distraction, just release the guy. He won't cost much at all if Westbrook and a pick is the best offer right now.

Why would the Mavs pay more than a pick to have Kyrie immediately become a distraction? And then you release him and he goes and signs with LA anyway? I think all interested parties have been apprised of the situation. Maybe Kyrie's mind changes and he opens up to other destinations, but if you think his camp hasn't talked to the other teams kicking the tires...

And what salary would Dallas send back? You'd lose depth, it wouldn't just be a shinier pick than the Lakers'.

[jazzfan1971]

I would much rather trade for Kyrie. At least he won't actively make my team worse. Even if he's locked in his lead lined basement the whole year, he's at least not losing me games.