Report: Joshua Primo allegedly exposed himself to women

[Chinook]

And only addresses the psychologist. Not the housekeeping in Minny. Not anyone else. Just

But yeah 'wardrobe malfunction'. Spurs waived him not understanding the difference.

I've yet to see the hotel thing be confirmed. Even so, it's possible that Primo's apology was about that incident and his leaking TMZ is specifically about the psychologist. Sort of an "I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot no deputy" situation. Part of the concern with getting Buzbee is that it makes this feel like a money grab. It's hard to figure out why the psychologist retained him if she wasn't looking for a payday through any means necessary, so I also worry that we can't rely on her ethics here. If those are out the window, how do we know if she was really flashed, especially deliberately or aggressively? She might feel like no one would question her after what happened in the hotel and just went with it. Or maybe because of the hotel situation, she wasn't willing to accept a legit malfunction excuse?

I don't like this. I don't like the fact that I can totally see another scenario where a woman's credibility is torn to shreds in the public eye. But I am not sure if she's going to bring it upon herself depending on what the next few weeks/months reveal. At this point, it doesn't seem to have been that well thought out.

Yeah I mentioned before that something in my gut is feeling off about a press conference.

Tom Orsborn recently wrote an article about the psychologist, basically about how ethical she is. Ok. Not sure how that squares with verdict by public opinion. And getting the message out first is her right I guess but yeah the way this is laying out ... I can't put my finger on it. Just a gut feeling something's off.

The thing about the Minny situation is it's countered with Shams/Woj/Shelburne confirming 'multiple women'.

I didn't want to post it here at the time because they weren't confirmed, but among other things, I'd read two accounts of multiple women, some in public, shortly before the above reports came out. I think the Spurs had enough info to make the unprecedented decision they did.

The statement, though, that those close to him thought Primo was being taken advantage of... oof. Very serious extra layer.

I also mentioned before about duty to warn - a doctor has to inform potential third parties and authorities of impending harm to self and others is the gist. Another poster said the psychologist's first duty is to the team, but I think it's to her profession. She was a psychologist first, Spurs employee second. Regardless of what anyone on the team may have said (depending on what they knew and when), this strikes me as something that falls under duty to warn. But her lawyer said all HIPPA restrictions would apply. Duty to warn bypasses HIPPA legally. That's not to say that any details about their sessions should be stated, just that she'd have been legally covered with revealing info in a DTW situation.

I brought it up because it was another layer I was thinking about, pondering the ramifications of various what-if scenarios.

These ones I didn't see coming - neither the presser nor the taking advantage of by an older more experienced person allegation.

Holy ****.

I could totally see a situation where the psychologist address this by saying: Yes, I had a duty to warn, but any woman knows that in this industry, that's the fast track to losing your job. The team didn't want to sully their golden boy's reputation, and I figured so long as it's just me he's doing it to, and he's not trying to hurt me, I can take it. But then we found out he was doing it to other women, and I knew I had to do something. If I hadn't filed suit, Primo would still be on the team, harassing women while the Spurs paraded him around as the face of the franchise.

I also agree that Primo suggesting the psychologist took advantage of him could be a sign they had a much closer relationship than the initial reports suggested. We keep trying to pretend that Primo being old enough to be legally responsible for his actions means that he'll at a power disadvantage in a situation with normies, especially women. But depending on where his head is -- especially given what he's already revealed -- I could see him deferring to the psychologist in multiple situations. I have no reason to believe she would've manipulated Primo, except for Buzbee and this press conference. If not for the Buzbee thing, I would assume she was telling the truth. If not for the reports of at least one more woman alleging Primo exposed himself to her, I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

One thing I do think is that the Spurs have a much better grasp on this situation than I do, and they cut Primo abruptly yet have no settled prior to the press conference. That suggests they know Primo did something really bad but also don't think this press conference is going to be damaging enough to justify the expense and PR hit that a settlement would incur. Well 11 more hours. We'll know then.

[G R E Y]

I've yet to see the hotel thing be confirmed. Even so, it's possible that Primo's apology was about that incident and his leaking TMZ is specifically about the psychologist. Sort of an "I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot no deputy" situation. Part of the concern with getting Buzbee is that it makes this feel like a money grab. It's hard to figure out why the psychologist retained him if she wasn't looking for a payday through any means necessary, so I also worry that we can't rely on her ethics here. If those are out the window, how do we know if she was really flashed, especially deliberately or aggressively? She might feel like no one would question her after what happened in the hotel and just went with it. Or maybe because of the hotel situation, she wasn't willing to accept a legit malfunction excuse?

I don't like this. I don't like the fact that I can totally see another scenario where a woman's credibility is torn to shreds in the public eye. But I am not sure if she's going to bring it upon herself depending on what the next few weeks/months reveal. At this point, it doesn't seem to have been that well thought out.

Yeah I mentioned before that something in my gut is feeling off about a press conference.

Tom Orsborn recently wrote an article about the psychologist, basically about how ethical she is. Ok. Not sure how that squares with verdict by public opinion. And getting the message out first is her right I guess but yeah the way this is laying out ... I can't put my finger on it. Just a gut feeling something's off.

The thing about the Minny situation is it's countered with Shams/Woj/Shelburne confirming 'multiple women'.

I didn't want to post it here at the time because they weren't confirmed, but among other things, I'd read two accounts of multiple women, some in public, shortly before the above reports came out. I think the Spurs had enough info to make the unprecedented decision they did.

The statement, though, that those close to him thought Primo was being taken advantage of... oof. Very serious extra layer.

I also mentioned before about duty to warn - a doctor has to inform potential third parties and authorities of impending harm to self and others is the gist. Another poster said the psychologist's first duty is to the team, but I think it's to her profession. She was a psychologist first, Spurs employee second. Regardless of what anyone on the team may have said (depending on what they knew and when), this strikes me as something that falls under duty to warn. But her lawyer said all HIPPA restrictions would apply. Duty to warn bypasses HIPPA legally. That's not to say that any details about their sessions should be stated, just that she'd have been legally covered with revealing info in a DTW situation.

I brought it up because it was another layer I was thinking about, pondering the ramifications of various what-if scenarios.

These ones I didn't see coming - neither the presser nor the taking advantage of by an older more experienced person allegation.

Holy ****.

I could totally see a situation where the psychologist address this by saying: Yes, I had a duty to warn, but any woman knows that in this industry, that's the fast track to losing your job. The team didn't want to sully their golden boy's reputation, and I figured so long as it's just me he's doing it to, and he's not trying to hurt me, I can take it. But then we found out he was doing it to other women, and I knew I had to do something. If I hadn't filed suit, Primo would still be on the team, harassing women while the Spurs paraded him around as the face of the franchise.

I also agree that Primo suggesting the psychologist took advantage of him could be a sign they had a much closer relationship than the initial reports suggested. We keep trying to pretend that Primo being old enough to be legally responsible for his actions means that he'll at a power disadvantage in a situation with normies, especially women. But depending on where his head is -- especially given what he's already revealed -- I could see him deferring to the psychologist in multiple situations. I have no reason to believe she would've manipulated Primo, except for Buzbee and this press conference. If not for the Buzbee thing, I would assume she was telling the truth. If not for the reports of at least one more woman alleging Primo exposed himself to her, I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

One thing I do think is that the Spurs have a much better grasp on this situation than I do, and they cut Primo abruptly yet have no settled prior to the press conference. That suggests they know Primo did something really bad but also don't think this press conference is going to be damaging enough to justify the expense and PR hit that a settlement would incur. Well 11 more hours. We'll know then.

Yeah there's way too much we don't know, and must keep in mind that tomorrow's presser is serving several interests even if truth is one of them. I just really don't like any sort of impression of thumbs on the scales of justice. And so loathe as I am to say it, and again I believe her, we must wait for statements from other parties she will surely name.

The first thing I thought of when I heard about the presser is what does this serve? Yes, tell the truth, by all means. There are many ways to do that, through court is one of them, but so far as we know, no charges have been made. Another thing I thought of was is this trying to get ahead of anything? The statements about Primo's impressions are him telling those close to him what happened. They have to trust he's telling the truth. But this counter impression of their sessions is bad upon reading it. He could be in denial, lying, manipulating, or he got an impression he shouldn't have.

But about duty to warn - If there is a reason to, a doctor is bound by law to do it. The duty is imposed on the therapist. But again, I stress I don't know if DTW applies here. It's just a thought I had about various ramifications and scenarious what with not knowing anything beyond what we do.

[azcatz11]

News conference tomorrow. Let's see what comes out.

[MrHoneycutt]

The duty to warn is incredibly complex. We will of course learn more tomorrow, but I also wanted to toss out there that it's standard verbiage in any disclosure statement (which every practitioner has) that confidentiality goes out the window in certain circumstances, including but not limited to danger of harm to self or others, coordinating emergency care, et. al. I did not, however, ever imagine placing 'if you commit a crime against me of a sexual nature' in mine, but sadly that might be something to think about now.

Even if confidentiality goes out the window here, the clinician will definitely be walking a fine line at the presser tmrw., as any litigation coming back against her license would be such a pain to have concurrent with her own legal case/pending potential charges against Primo.

It's also (sadly) fascinating the dualities at play. As another poster correctly pointed out: one's duty is to the field and to helping others before anything else, no matter what a team might wish. I've consulted for hospitals and worked in all kinds of settings, but the ethics codes for every practice (psychotherapy, prescribing, etc.) states that 'Do No Harm' is at the forefront -- even though this, as all things, is widely open to interpretation in each situation.

What a position for this poor woman to have been put in, and in so many different ways.

(source = psychologist)

[John Murdoch]

If he did that to a psychologist then he probably has no qualms about trying the same with just about anyone.

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[meatwad4343]

Crazy what teams will put up with if you're talented. Deshaun Watson pulled out his pecker 22 times and is good. Primo should have waited to establish himself if this is what he's into so he could have just gotten a slap on the wrist and a suspension instead of getting cut

[Mavrelous]

If he did that to a psychologist then he probably has no qualms about trying the same with just about anyone.

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There's nothing funny about that, I hope this idiot got clocked by someone.

[lamscott]

He cleared waivers. That is how bad this is.

[liquidswords]

Despite how bad the situation is, NBA culture is repairing itself. This behavior is a new, lucrative deal in the NFL

[G R E Y]

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THIS is where my question of duty to warn comes in. She reportedly told the team. But it happened repeatedly, and I wonder whether she reported it to authorities? (EDIT to add: Primo will be facing a criminal complaint). I don't question her being exposed by Primo. But it's important to know this (EDIT to add: IF it applies, as I 've stated previously).

[zshawn10]

Oh boy since Jan 2022, this has been going on. Bad look on the Spurs for letting it keep going

This is her TED talk from 2019 by the way

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[Bornstellar]

Wow. Damning stuff. Brian Wright is definitely getting fired

[Ckay]

Spurs in shambles.

[G R E Y]

Wow. Damning stuff. Brian Wright is definitely getting fired

This seems accurate:

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Now we know why Wright never made any public statements. I thought it was weird at the time (posted it in the thread about this on our board).

Lawyer said she came to Wright back in Jan/21, he delayed meeting with her, then when he did, assured her an investigation and write up would be made (don't recall what he said happened with that, going by memory). Then HR was in play. Lawyer said she was told Pop was made aware in June/22 but lawyer and psychologist don't believe that to be true. They specified it was not RC or Pop they're making allegations about.

FFS, Brian!

[G R E Y]

I respect that the lawsuit is not about money but safe practices to be put in place - not exact wording, going by memory.

[Ckay]

Start at 10:53.

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[bisme37]

So uhh this is a weird story you guys.

[mademan]

sheesh. I thought this was the Spurs getting ahead of it. Looking more like it's the Spurs (or members in the organization) keeping a lid on it as much as they could until it boiled over

[zshawn10]

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[Bornstellar]

Wow. Damning stuff. Brian Wright is definitely getting fired

This seems accurate:

Read on Twitter

Now we know why Wright never made any public statements. I thought it was weird at the time (posted it in the thread about this on our board).

Lawyer said she came to Wright back in Jan/21, he delayed meeting with her, then when he did, assured her an investigation and write up would be made (don't recall what he said happened with that, going by memory). Then HR was in play. Lawyer said she was told Pop was made aware in June/22 but lawyer and psychologist don't believe that to be true. They specified it was not RC or Pop they're making allegations about.

FFS, Brian!

Yup, literally the first thing I thought too - Wright trying to protect his job since he was behind the Primo pick. Makes the most sense given the fact that RC made the statement when he hasnt been directly involved in Spurs stuff for awhile it seems (at least publicly), the fact that Wright has not made any kind of statement or been heard from at all, and the way Pop looked when they announced the waiving before the Bulls game makes me think he was just blindsided with the news shortly beforehand (he looked really, really angry). Guess time will tell but I really don't want to believe Pop knew about this, especially since Becky invited him into the Ace's lockeroom during their WNBA Finals. If the coaching staff was aware last year I just don't feel like things would have played out like this. I could be way off base though