Is Dick any good?

[Sixers in 4]

No matter how many realgm posters make a compelling case, I will never like Dick.

[Jabroni Lames]

Klay vs. Dick (year 2)



https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=dickgr01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=thompkl01&p2yrfrom=2013&p2yrto=2013

[tsherkin]

I suppose - but when comparing directly to Klay who shoots the 3 better AND apparently is similar at the rim, it seems weird to project he is going to be better than Klay at something he is worse at at the same point in their careers.

Obviously it could happen, but no stats here comparing to Klay supports that.

I'm trying to be optimistic here. We're speaking in terms of potential development. We're also looking at an 8-game sample, so both proportion and FG% are still very volatile, obviously. Maybe it'll look different at the end of the season. Maybe it'll be better, maybe it'll be unchanged. But it's something to watch.

In general, if you're generating shots closer to the basket, particularly that close, it usually works out for the best. It improves consistency, the raw FG% is often higher, your chances of drawing fouls are better. These are all positive things. But it's a waiting game now, because we don't actually know anything concrete. Maybe Dick looks like this for 10 games and then goes back to looking as he did last season. I dunno, I'm no psychic. But I do see something promising in the way he's able to generate those shots. And if he's able to maybe improve his ability to take hits and finish those shots inside 10 feet, that's a good foundation for building up a more versatile offensive game that isn't as prone to looking like a bag of smashed buttholes the way Klay does when his 3 isn't falling.

[Vampirate]

Gradey Dick more athletic than Klay? I'd pump the brakes a bit. Haven't watched Dick play, but Klay was an underrated athlete in his prime.

You haven't watched Dick play but you're saying pump the brakes?

I'm just saying, if Dick is already more athletic than prime Klay Thompson, he must have superstar potential. Klay was super underrated as an athlete in his prime imo.

Peak/Prime Klay is one of the best robins ever, dude could pretend to be batman in the playoff at times.

As for athletics, I think Gradey could be faster than Klay, but outside that and seemingly having no dead shooting zones thus far there's no comparison.

Klay is also the much much better defender.

[wadenation305]

He may be around for raptors to pick. Is he good?

It taste like a skin-flavored, lightly salted lolipop

[tsherkin]

Peak/Prime Klay is one of the best robins ever, dude could pretend to be batman in the playoff at times.

As for athletics, I think Gradey could be faster than Klay, but outside that and seemingly having no dead shooting zones thus far there's no comparison.

Klay is also the much much better defender.

Peak/Prime Klay had a different league context in which to operate, which left him more capable of impacting the game. He hasn't changed his game THAT much since then. Obviously, he's even less capable of getting to the rim now and his 3PAr is up, defense has suffered, etc. The injuries, age and league advancement have sort of left him behind.

Klay is, however, still an ATG 3pt shooter and that leaves him quite capable of being very, very dangerous in any given game. He hasn't been a stunner in the playoffs since his return from injury, though.

Still, obviously, if Grady is even 80% of what Klay was in the 20-teens, that would be really nice.

[DKB333]

He is a way better driver and movement shooter then he is being given credit for. He needs to improve as a defender but he gives good effort. I believe he had 4 steals and 2 blocks last night. I feel a lot more confident about him being a long term starter now then I did before the season started.

[sortpar]

No matter how many realgm posters make a compelling case, I will never like Dick.

People didn't make an issue with Larry Bird's name, but in some British Cockney groups, bird was considered C*nt. So how about Larry the C*unt - HOFFer.

"A person that gets "around" a lot. a whore, or a playa. Meant in a negative way.
I dont f*ck with her, shes a bird."

Johnson is also a name for a penis, but I haven't read through threads, where 50% of the responses are based on someone's penis. How about Rudy Gay... I'm pretty sure the administration, would jump in if, if posters made an issue about "Gayness". Grow the fu*k up.

[Vampirate]

Peak/Prime Klay is one of the best robins ever, dude could pretend to be batman in the playoff at times.

As for athletics, I think Gradey could be faster than Klay, but outside that and seemingly having no dead shooting zones thus far there's no comparison.

Klay is also the much much better defender.

Peak/Prime Klay had a different league context in which to operate, which left him more capable of impacting the game. He hasn't changed his game THAT much since then. Obviously, he's even less capable of getting to the rim now and his 3PAr is up, defense has suffered, etc. The injuries, age and league advancement have sort of left him behind.

Klay is, however, still an ATG 3pt shooter and that leaves him quite capable of being very, very dangerous in any given game. He hasn't been a stunner in the playoffs since his return from injury, though.

Still, obviously, if Grady is even 80% of what Klay was in the 20-teens, that would be really nice.

When i'm talking about Defense, i'm obviously talking about him earlier in his career.

Also what I think is underrated about Klay is the wingspan in getting his shot off, don't know if it's the build but Gradey does look shorter than Klay by comparison.

Probably the biggest knock on Gradey atm is pretty much most of his baskets are assisted, but on the other hand he gets open for the shots.

[tsherkin]

When i'm talking about Defense, i'm obviously talking about him earlier in his career.

Yes, when he was younger and his legs were intact, he was a very good defender.

Probably the biggest knock on Gradey atm is pretty much most of his baskets are assisted, but on the other hand he gets open for the shots.

He does the work himself. The passes to him aren't complex things. They're mostly Rondo Assists. He's the guy running his defenders around screens and all that.

[The-Stallion70]

Why does a simple Google search for "Toronto Dick" give me different search results than expected?

[Vampirate]

When i'm talking about Defense, i'm obviously talking about him earlier in his career.

Yes, when he was younger and his legs were intact, he was a very good defender.

Probably the biggest knock on Gradey atm is pretty much most of his baskets are assisted, but on the other hand he gets open for the shots.

He does the work himself. The passes to him aren't complex things. They're mostly Rondo Assists. He's the guy running his defenders around screens and all that.

I think the best comp for Gradey atm is JJ Redick, however if Gradey keeps shooting above 40% midrange from everywhere his ceiling could be higher.

[tsherkin]

I think the best comp for Gradey atm is JJ Redick, however if Gradey keeps shooting above 40% midrange from everywhere his ceiling could be higher.

I dunno about that. Redick never hit 14 FGA/g. And he was far worse at getting shots off inside 10 feet, definitely completely reliant on his 3pt shooting and long two-pointers for relevance. So stylistically, doesn't look quite right. He is also smaller.

[Vampirate]

I think the best comp for Gradey atm is JJ Redick, however if Gradey keeps shooting above 40% midrange from everywhere his ceiling could be higher.

I dunno about that. Redick never hit 14 FGA/g. And he was far worse at getting shots off inside 10 feet, definitely completely reliant on his 3pt shooting and long two-pointers for relevance. So stylistically, doesn't look quite right. He is also smaller.

Redick at age 31 put up this statline

21PPG/ 15.1 FGA/ .480/ .475 (7.2 attempts)/ .888

If anything JJ is underrated.

JJ was a 20 PPG scorer at age 35. In that age 35 season he had a 64.4% TS

[Duffman100]

Why does a simple Google search for "Toronto Dick" give me different search results than expected?

It's okay to admit you're intimidated.

[Vampirate]

I think the best comp for Gradey atm is JJ Redick, however if Gradey keeps shooting above 40% midrange from everywhere his ceiling could be higher.

I dunno about that. Redick never hit 14 FGA/g. And he was far worse at getting shots off inside 10 feet, definitely completely reliant on his 3pt shooting and long two-pointers for relevance. So stylistically, doesn't look quite right. He is also smaller.

Take a look at his stats, you are underrating JJ.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/redicjj01.html

[JJ_PR]

I didn't know Dick was averaging 21.6 PPG. That's very impressive, I might have to start watching some of his highlights.

[tsherkin]

I think the best comp for Gradey atm is JJ Redick, however if Gradey keeps shooting above 40% midrange from everywhere his ceiling could be higher.

I dunno about that. Redick never hit 14 FGA/g. And he was far worse at getting shots off inside 10 feet, definitely completely reliant on his 3pt shooting and long two-pointers for relevance. So stylistically, doesn't look quite right. He is also smaller.

Take a look at his stats, you are underrating JJ.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/redicjj01.html

Nothing I said was a rating, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. My point was that he never shot a comparable volume to what Gradey is shooting at the moment, and that he was almost entirely focused on long two-pointers and 3PA.

Redick at age 31 put up this statline

21PPG/ 15.1 FGA/ .480/ .475 (7.2 attempts)/ .888

If anything JJ is underrated.

JJ was a 20 PPG scorer at age 35. In that age 35 season he had a 64.4% TS

Yes, for 60 games, 24 of which came off the bench. 81.1% assisted on 2s, 93.3% on 3s. Taking shots at an average distance of 21.1 feet (about 5 feet further out than Gradey). For a 30-win Pels team which featured Lonzo Ball and Jrue Holiday.

And it was 15.3 ppg, not 20.

Redick actually hasn't ever averaged above 18.1 ppg in his career, and that was in 2019, his age-34 season, for Philly.

[Vampirate]

I dunno about that. Redick never hit 14 FGA/g. And he was far worse at getting shots off inside 10 feet, definitely completely reliant on his 3pt shooting and long two-pointers for relevance. So stylistically, doesn't look quite right. He is also smaller.

Take a look at his stats, you are underrating JJ.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/redicjj01.html

Nothing I said was a rating, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. My point was that he never shot a comparable volume to what Gradey is shooting at the moment, and that he was almost entirely focused on long two-pointers and 3PA.

Redick at age 31 put up this statline

21PPG/ 15.1 FGA/ .480/ .475 (7.2 attempts)/ .888

If anything JJ is underrated.

JJ was a 20 PPG scorer at age 35. In that age 35 season he had a 64.4% TS

Yes, for 60 games, 24 of which came off the bench. 81.1% assisted on 2s, 93.3% on 3s. Taking shots at an average distance of 21.1 feet (about 5 feet further out than Gradey). For a 30-win Pels team which featured Lonzo Ball and Jrue Holiday.

And it was 15.3 ppg, not 20.

Redick actually hasn't ever averaged above 18.1 ppg in his career, and that was in 2019, his age-34 season, for Philly.

My bad here, I was looking at the per 36.

[tsherkin]

My bad here, I was looking at the per 36.

It happens. I screwed up Gradey's rebounding earlier. xD