NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[BrooklynDynasty]

IMVHO given the context of teammate quality around them, this is the minimum number of games I think each MVP contender would have to win before they could justifiably be given consideration for the award:

Tatum: 67 wins
Suns Players: 63 wins
Giannis: 57 wins
Jokic: 55 wins
Embiid: 53 wins
Steph: 51 wins
Luka: 49 wins

[Peregrine01]

So the Nuggets have gone to a heavily staggered rotation this year, ensuring that one of Murray or Jokic are on the court at all times. What does Jokic’s on/off look like so far?

Jokic on: +16
Jokic off: -14
Jokic on/off: +30

Nuggets look like juggernauts but it’s because of Jokic. Doc Rivers had an interesting line on the Bill Simmons podcast saying that he’d be very wary of trading for any of the Nuggets’ players because Jokic makes them look a lot better than they really are.

[Special_Puppy]

IMVHO given the context of teammate quality around them, this is the minimum number of games I think each MVP contender would have to win before they could justifiably be given consideration for the award:

Tatum: 67 wins
Suns Players: 63 wins
Giannis: 57 wins
Jokic: 55 wins
Embiid: 53 wins
Steph: 51 wins
Luka: 49 wins

I think Tatum and Durant could get it with 60 wins

[BrooklynDynasty]

IMVHO given the context of teammate quality around them, this is the minimum number of games I think each MVP contender would have to win before they could justifiably be given consideration for the award:

Tatum: 67 wins
Suns Players: 63 wins
Giannis: 57 wins
Jokic: 55 wins
Embiid: 53 wins
Steph: 51 wins
Luka: 49 wins

I think Tatum and Durant could get it with 60 wins

You can't have conceivably 3-4 all star teammates and get the trophy with a mere 60 wins if you're Tatum, unless you're putting up MJ numbers lol

[Exp0sed]

So the Nuggets have gone to a heavily staggered rotation this year, ensuring that one of Murray or Jokic are on the court at all times. What does Jokic’s on/off look like so far?

Jokic on: +16
Jokic off: -14
Jokic on/off: +30

Nuggets look like juggernauts but it’s because of Jokic. Doc Rivers had an interesting line on the Bill Simmons podcast saying that he’d be very wary of trading for any of the Nuggets’ players because Jokic makes them look a lot better than they really are.

Murray def delievered in the postseason but in the rs we're seeing more of the same and now he's injured to boot

Nuggets lost Murray to injury early in the game, vs the Bulls on a back to back and didn't even blink or miss a single beat

Murray is a hell of a shotmaker but he's pretty average (minus) at basically every other aspect of the game and he does alot of his damage off of Jokic's gravity

how many teams lose their number #2 early in the game and don't miss a beat? Jokic is the Nuggets system.

[stormi]

Embiid is playing well, but not as well as Joker, Curry, Tatum or Luka. His efficiency is actually a lot lower so far than it was last year. Yes, the playmaking is nice, but Joker and Luka beats him there too. He is currently fifth behind Joker, Curry, Luka and Tatum imo.

Yea, he's definitely apart of that first tier of names. Also leading a team most people think he should be requesting a trade from to an early 4-1 start to the season.

I think his impact and ability to make players around him better is heavily understated. Guys like McDaniels, Niang, Shake Milton, Thybulle (, Simmons) who he carried to 50+ win seasons while playing regular minutes have fallen off a cliff since leaving Philadelphia.

My initial post was tongue in cheek, but I didn't expect this many triggered individuals.

His hate is almost reaching Lebron/KD levels. Will make that eventual title ring in contention for the greatest in NBA history.

[stormi]

Don't even know how Embiid stans have the gall to post all this nonsense with how he chokes every postseason.

It’s is a regular season award in case you didn’t realise. So, if somebody is playing in the REGULAR season despite their post-season flaws, they shouldn’t be discussed? So fans are not allowed to discuss a certain player even if that player is doing well in the REGULAR season?

He shouldn't win the [2024] {regular season} MVP because of the contents of his [2023] {playoff performance}

AKA wildly irrelevant criteria to the basis of the award.

His numbers this season:

35 PTS | 15 REB | 7AST | 6 BLK
34 PTS | 9 REB | 8 AST | 2 BLK
24 PTS | 7 REB | 6 AST | 1 BLK
28 PTS | 12 REB | 7 AST | 1 BLK
26 PTS l 11 REB l 3 AST l 1 BLK

If you don't think that it's relevant or worthy of being discussed in this thread then you're an obsessed manchild that needs to take a break from the internet.

[Floody23]

Don't even know how Embiid stans have the gall to post all this nonsense with how he chokes every postseason.

It’s is a regular season award in case you didn’t realise. So, if somebody is playing in the REGULAR season despite their post-season flaws, they shouldn’t be discussed? So fans are not allowed to discuss a certain player even if that player is doing well in the REGULAR season?

The irony of this comment after you Sixers fans were saying Jokic shouldn’t win MVP because of his “post-season flaws”

[Woodsanity]

Don't even know how Embiid stans have the gall to post all this nonsense with how he chokes every postseason.

It’s is a regular season award in case you didn’t realise. So, if somebody is playing in the REGULAR season despite their post-season flaws, they shouldn’t be discussed? So fans are not allowed to discuss a certain player even if that player is doing well in the REGULAR season?

Really I was told by Embiid fans that Jokic shouldn't win more MVPs without doing more in postseason. Guess that does not apply to Embiid?

[Wolfgang630]

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[stormi]

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So we're not allowed to mention the #3 guy on this list because we all hate him now, and have a grudge against him because we feel he earned an unjustified MVP? And also had a **** playoffs? I understand the politics of it all, and he has not been the best player itl, but he's been one of them and it's alright to admit it.

[bisme37]

Periodic reminder to please keep this thread friendly and avoid trolling, baiting, personal attacks etc.

Everyone is allowed to make their MVP case for whatever player they want, as long as they are substantive and mature about it and follow posting guidelines.

So if a few people are annoying you, maybe it would make sense to put them on your "foe" list to hide their comments. Or just ignore them and move on. Or disagree with them of course, but keep it civil.

But don't attack people just for showing up in the thread, and don't attack entire fanbases because of one or two people's comments.

And on the flip side, if your player has a good case for MVP you really shouldn't have to drag/troll other players in order to make it.

Thanks good pals.

[Floody23]

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So we're not allowed to mention the #3 guy on this list because we all hate him now, and have a grudge against him because we feel he earned an unjustified MVP? And also had a **** playoffs? I understand the politics of it all, and he has not been the best player itl, but he's been one of them and it's alright to admit it.

All we’re trying to say is your fan base was criticising everyone who thought Jokic should’ve won it last year because he had no significant playoff success at that point. You can’t get upset when people are holding Embiid to the same standard.

[stormi]

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So we're not allowed to mention the #3 guy on this list because we all hate him now, and have a grudge against him because we feel he earned an unjustified MVP? And also had a **** playoffs? I understand the politics of it all, and he has not been the best player itl, but he's been one of them and it's alright to admit it.

All we’re trying to say is your fan base was criticising everyone who thought Jokic should’ve won it last year because he had no significant playoff success at that point. You can’t get upset when people are holding Embiid to the same standard.

I don't think it's fair to mould a fanbase together as a monolithic entity. I don't know who was saying what and using whatever subjective reasoning to push their agenda. I definitely wasn't apart of that crowd. I'm biased and I am a 76er fan, and I recognize the optics around Joel Embiid and this award don't look great. But two things can be true. There's the other side of the spectrum that are so warped away from reality that they refuse to recognize how great of a basketball player Joel Embiid really is.

I promise you there is no outside fan that has felt the emotional turmoil of these playoff setbacks more than me, as a fan of the team before a fan of any individual. And I am on record of calling him (imo) the greatest playoff dropper in NBA history, relative to his talent / skillset and regular season pedigree. {injuries aside}

But none of that is relevant to this current thread. Or is it?

He's been dominant this season and I'm just showing the big fella some love. It really shouldn't be that serious.

[bisme37]

I think my guy Tatum is being overlooked in this thread and has an excellent chance of winning the MVP this year.

He's not just "the best player on the best team." The on/off numbers show his tremendous impact. People here are dismissing him because his teammates are good, but they actually aren't nearly as good when JT is on the bench.

Nba.com:
Net with Tatum in: +25.1
Net with Tatum sitting: +1.0
On/off: +24.1
Next closest Celtics player is White, at +20.8.

CleaningTheGlass:
Net with Tatum in: +26.9
Net with Tatum sitting: -5.3
On/off: +32.1
Next closest Celtics player is White, at +22.4

(Shoutout to Ghostface on the C's board for compiling those numbers.)

And watching him he's an entirely different animal this year. His shot profile has changed, he's in the post and at the rim with regularity, beasting through the defense like they aren't there and basically doing whatever he wants. His defense is elite and he's grown into his leadership role and playing with a mean streak I haven't seen before. Dude has been incredible.

And while I'm at it, he hit 10,000 career points last night, youngest Celtic to ever do so.

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[Statlanta]

I don't think Tatum needs to win 67 games to win MVP even with his diminished stats. Holiday and Porzingis have less media hype than in years past and Brown's stats are also lowered. I think high 50s is enough given the amount of potential multiple times winners(all the other candidates besides Doncic)

[CobraCommander]

Already feels like there’s a clear top 5 of Jokic, Tatum, Luka, Steph and Embiid - and they will likely remain in the conversation throughout the year. I expect Giannis is the only other player likely to join the race - with Mitchell as my dark horse pick for a potential top 5 spot if the Cavs can put some wins together

I don’t think there is a top 5 -


There is jokic and then there is Bird in a 3 point competition -

Aka who coming in second


Fact is Jokic was the best for 3 years in a row and then finished it off with a FMVP and a chip- he is your objective and subjective best- stats and rings -

Best individual stats in league on best team in league and best player in league in his prime ?

Honestly guys - until that changes…

[CobraCommander]

I think my guy Tatum is being overlooked in this thread and has an excellent chance of winning the MVP this year.

He's not just "the best player on the best team." The on/off numbers show his tremendous impact. People here are dismissing him because his teammates are good, but they actually aren't nearly as good when JT is on the bench.

Nba.com:
Net with Tatum in: +25.1
Net with Tatum sitting: +1.0
On/off: +24.1
Next closest Celtics player is White, at +20.8.

CleaningTheGlass:
Net with Tatum in: +26.9
Net with Tatum sitting: -5.3
On/off: +32.1
Next closest Celtics player is White, at +22.4

(Shoutout to Ghostface on the C's board for compiling those numbers.)

And watching him he's an entirely different animal this year. His shot profile has changed, he's in the post and at the rim with regularity, beasting through the defense like they aren't there and basically doing whatever he wants. His defense is elite and he's grown into his leadership role and playing with a mean streak I haven't seen before. Dude has been incredible.

And while I'm at it, he hit 10,000 career points last night, youngest Celtic to ever do so.

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JT got a great chance at … second. Jokic on one of them MJ runs and it’s not fair to diminish JT greatness because of it - but it’s kinda just one of those moments in time where being great is over shadowed by a singular all time great

[itsxtray]

So the Nuggets have gone to a heavily staggered rotation this year, ensuring that one of Murray or Jokic are on the court at all times. What does Jokic’s on/off look like so far?

Jokic on: +16
Jokic off: -14
Jokic on/off: +30

Nuggets look like juggernauts but it’s because of Jokic. Doc Rivers had an interesting line on the Bill Simmons podcast saying that he’d be very wary of trading for any of the Nuggets’ players because Jokic makes them look a lot better than they really are.

I mean Aaron Gordon was proof enough of that when they traded for him years ago. The difference in his effectiveness on his own vs playing off of Jokic was instant.

[Sharkboy242]

Every year we have this thread and every year it converges on Jokic.

It should be no different this year.