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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#361 » by DC_Melo » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:15 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here


Yikes… let’s keep context in this conversation.

Robinson was a 24 year old rookie with college ball and military experience under his belt. He had the skill, discipline, and maturity to be a high impact rookie.

Duncan was a 21 year old rookie with 4 years of college experience at a successful Wake Forest program.

Wemby is a 19 year old rookie that was a role player on his euro team…

Comparing Wemby’s entry to the league with Duncan’s or Robinson’s is highly misleading without context.
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Post#362 » by Roger Murdock » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:22 pm

The people who believe the NBA draft is rigged are too (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to understand that Ernst and Young runs the draft lotto. Why would a company 100 times the size of the NBA ruin their reputation just to put X player in Y location? And if they are doing it, why is it usually small market teams winning? The smallest market in the NBA won Davis and Zion, two of the biggest prospects in history. The other notable prospects that went #1 overall in recent memory went to Cleveland, San Antonio, and Portland.

It’s literally the most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) conspiracy ever, it makes no sense. Even working backwards from the results and making up evidence to support the results is ridiculous, but the results indicate that it’s clearly NOT rigged, because the results are counter productive to the NBA
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Post#363 » by Meat » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:25 pm

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KembaWalker wrote:Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here


Yikes… let’s keep context in this conversation.

Robinson was a 24 year old rookie with college ball and military experience under his belt. He had the skill, discipline, and maturity to be a high impact rookie.

Duncan was a 21 year old rookie with 4 years of college experience at a successful Wake Forest program.

Wemby is a 19 year old rookie that was a role player on his euro team…

Comparing Wemby’s entry to the league with Duncan’s or Robinson’s is highly misleading without context.

more so Duncan was drafted to a 55+ win team,
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Post#364 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:32 pm

I'm consistently impressed with him when I watch him, even last night there were several times Steph got him on an island and danced with him only to pass it or get a highly contested shot.

On offense he does hang out on the perimeter a lot when he's playing with Collins, but when they play him at C you get glimpses of what he will be which is a complete nightmare matchup where he's playing inside & outside. Those drives and post ups where he gets stood up now will become plays where he just powers through guys and shoots right over them, you can see the foundation of that for when his body matures.

He's the best 19 yr old big I have ever seen, nobody is really comparable at that age. Just knowing that bigs take longer to develop because their bodies have to catch up, he's going to be the best player in the league in a short time, if healthy.
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Post#365 » by ItsDanger » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:36 pm

I thought his 3 pt shooting wasn't that great last season and was not a strength for his draft profile. Yet people were quick to offer excuses.

Well, we have a solid sample size right now, Wemby's 3 pt shooting isn't nearly good enough for that volume. He absolutely has to improve there and everyone needs to ignore he's 7'4 and acknowledge his bad shooting.
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Post#366 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:38 pm

KodiakBear wrote:
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DiegoChara wrote:
It is exactly like that. Except you’re wrong about which one of us is believing in fairy tales. Lmao.
You probably think the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked too.
Buddy think the NBA lottery is real. You fail to understand the NBA is a "entertainment" league. Wake up my guy.


You believe in fairy tales. Yes the NBA rigged the lottery so Zion would go to the Pelicans over the Knicks. Your conspiracy is so bad that you believe the NBA is conspiring against itself. In reality everybody in the league office wanted Zion to go to the Knicks.

Believe what you want.

Zion isn't the only #1 overall pick btw.
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Post#367 » by Drakeem » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:41 pm

I really don't understand the ongoing discussion with Wemby and the Spurs as a whole. He's a project who's panning out better currently than initially projections. The team bottomed out to perhaps collect another high pick or two.

This team is going to suck, Wemby is going to struggle immensely at time. This all just seems like bitterness from people who didn't want Pop/the Spurs to get Wemby. Typically when you get the #1 pick you expect the team to still suck, and you expect the rookie to have growing pains. What the hell are we even concerned about at this point? Dude projects to be the most impactful defender in the league who can drop 20+ points LOL.
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Post#368 » by KembaWalker » Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:51 pm

DC_Melo wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here


Yikes… let’s keep context in this conversation.

Robinson was a 24 year old rookie with college ball and military experience under his belt. He had the skill, discipline, and maturity to be a high impact rookie.

Duncan was a 21 year old rookie with 4 years of college experience at a successful Wake Forest program.

Wemby is a 19 year old rookie that was a role player on his euro team…

Comparing Wemby’s entry to the league with Duncan’s or Robinson’s is highly misleading without context.


That's literally what I'm saying. Things were framed in the media as if Pop has some kind of special track record with developing bigs because of his runs with Robinson and Duncan and that Wemby belongs there to follow suit . We are seeing how he might not actually have a clue at all how to develop a truly raw big. He's certainly doing him no favors so far. That was my point. There's no evidence Pop is any more qualified for this role than anyone else and already a pile that he's losing it. Spurs should be having some tough convos internally imo
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Post#369 » by Meat » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:13 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
DC_Melo wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Admiral and Duncan were high impact all star winning players the second they touched NBA hardwood. Pops out of his element here


Yikes… let’s keep context in this conversation.

Robinson was a 24 year old rookie with college ball and military experience under his belt. He had the skill, discipline, and maturity to be a high impact rookie.

Duncan was a 21 year old rookie with 4 years of college experience at a successful Wake Forest program.

Wemby is a 19 year old rookie that was a role player on his euro team…

Comparing Wemby’s entry to the league with Duncan’s or Robinson’s is highly misleading without context.


That's literally what I'm saying. Things were framed in the media as if Pop has some kind of special track record with developing bigs because of his runs with Robinson and Duncan and that Wemby belongs there to follow suit . We are seeing how he might not actually have a clue at all how to develop a truly raw big. He's certainly doing him no favors so far. That was my point. There's no evidence Pop is any more qualified for this role than anyone else and already a pile that he's losing it. Spurs should be having some tough convos internally imo

Who’s this magical big whisperer they’re going to replace him with?
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Post#370 » by CobraCommander » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:28 pm

Wemby got the “EMBIIDS” which is an illness where you play big slow men in the post instead of beating them off the dribble and you shoot long jumpers over smaller guys on the perimeter-

“The embiids”is an illness where you don’t take advantage of your advantage

Curry had wemby in the post and wemby passed the ball then wemby got the ball back and shot a long jumper over Curry lol

Pop come on man...coach this kid instead of asking him what he is thinking teach him what to think
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Post#371 » by Bornstellar » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:34 pm

At least Wemby hasn't missed a game yet. Every one was thinking he'd be made of glass but he's one of the few Spurs who has played every game thus far
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Post#372 » by Miami_Lux » Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:44 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I'm consistently impressed with him when I watch him, even last night there were several times Steph got him on an island and danced with him only to pass it or get a highly contested shot.

On offense he does hang out on the perimeter a lot when he's playing with Collins, but when they play him at C you get glimpses of what he will be which is a complete nightmare matchup where he's playing inside & outside. Those drives and post ups where he gets stood up now will become plays where he just powers through guys and shoots right over them, you can see the foundation of that for when his body matures.

He's the best 19 yr old big I have ever seen, nobody is really comparable at that age. Just knowing that bigs take longer to develop because their bodies have to catch up, he's going to be the best player in the league in a short time, if healthy.


Better than Doncic at age 19? I don t think so...
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Post#373 » by KembaWalker » Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:07 pm

Meat wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:
DC_Melo wrote:
Yikes… let’s keep context in this conversation.

Robinson was a 24 year old rookie with college ball and military experience under his belt. He had the skill, discipline, and maturity to be a high impact rookie.

Duncan was a 21 year old rookie with 4 years of college experience at a successful Wake Forest program.

Wemby is a 19 year old rookie that was a role player on his euro team…

Comparing Wemby’s entry to the league with Duncan’s or Robinson’s is highly misleading without context.


That's literally what I'm saying. Things were framed in the media as if Pop has some kind of special track record with developing bigs because of his runs with Robinson and Duncan and that Wemby belongs there to follow suit . We are seeing how he might not actually have a clue at all how to develop a truly raw big. He's certainly doing him no favors so far. That was my point. There's no evidence Pop is any more qualified for this role than anyone else and already a pile that he's losing it. Spurs should be having some tough convos internally imo

Who’s this magical big whisperer they’re going to replace him with?


Someone that isn't fully cooked running randoms at pg
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Post#374 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:08 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I'm consistently impressed with him when I watch him, even last night there were several times Steph got him on an island and danced with him only to pass it or get a highly contested shot.

On offense he does hang out on the perimeter a lot when he's playing with Collins, but when they play him at C you get glimpses of what he will be which is a complete nightmare matchup where he's playing inside & outside. Those drives and post ups where he gets stood up now will become plays where he just powers through guys and shoots right over them, you can see the foundation of that for when his body matures.

He's the best 19 yr old big I have ever seen, nobody is really comparable at that age. Just knowing that bigs take longer to develop because their bodies have to catch up, he's going to be the best player in the league in a short time, if healthy.


Better than Doncic at age 19? I don t think so...


Luka's not a big.

It's been 22 years since a rookie 7 footer was rookie of the year, that was Pau and he was 21. It takes these guys longer to develop, look at Embiids or Jokic rookie years compared to what they are now, or even just compare what Embiid was at Kansas when he was the same age as Vic now.

Chet (21 yrs old) could win rookie of the year, he and Vic are rarities for young bigs. Guards and wings can hit the ground running, bigs are slow cookers compared to them. E
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Post#375 » by DiegoChara » Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:38 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Well most big markets are not bad teams so their chances of winning the lottery are not high to begin with.


The draft is rigged my man. It's like a kid believing the WWF is real. No it's not real. Time to grow up and be an adult.

The NBA should get rid of the lottery and just go the NFL route. Worst records get the top picks.


It is exactly like that. Except you’re wrong about which one of us is believing in fairy tales. Lmao.
You probably think the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked too.
Buddy think the NBA lottery is real. You fail to understand the NBA is a "entertainment" league. Wake up my guy.


For your sake, I hope you’re trolling. Lol
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Post#376 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:43 pm

DiegoChara wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
It is exactly like that. Except you’re wrong about which one of us is believing in fairy tales. Lmao.
You probably think the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked too.
Buddy think the NBA lottery is real. You fail to understand the NBA is a "entertainment" league. Wake up my guy.


For your sake, I hope you’re trolling. Lol

Nope not at all. Never trust a entertainment business.

You do realize a ref was rigging games in the past right?

The NBA has been shady for decades. You expect me to trust this league? They rig drafts. Only reason Zion didn't end up in NY was because everyone thought it was a shoe in and Silver didn't want that heat.
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Post#377 » by Miami_Lux » Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:54 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Buddy think the NBA lottery is real. You fail to understand the NBA is a "entertainment" league. Wake up my guy.


For your sake, I hope you’re trolling. Lol

Nope not at all. Never trust a entertainment business.

You do realize a ref was rigging games in the past right?

The NBA has been shady for decades. You expect me to trust this league? They rig drafts. Only reason Zion didn't end up in NY was because everyone thought it was a shoe in and Silver didn't want that heat.


The question begs then: Why are you still watching? And why do you come here to tell us about your conspiracy theories? Nobody cares
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Post#378 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:59 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
For your sake, I hope you’re trolling. Lol

Nope not at all. Never trust a entertainment business.

You do realize a ref was rigging games in the past right?

The NBA has been shady for decades. You expect me to trust this league? They rig drafts. Only reason Zion didn't end up in NY was because everyone thought it was a shoe in and Silver didn't want that heat.


The question begs then: Why are you still watching? And why do you come here to tell us about your conspiracy theories? Nobody cares
Because it's entertaining!

Where else can I watch Draymond Green punch his teammate in the face or put a guy in a chokehold and drag him across the court. That's amazing television my man.

I can enjoy the NBA and still realize that some of it is shady. That Scott Foster vs CP3 beef is hilarious. LeBron almost 40 and he still dominating players his son age. LeGodfather!


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Post#379 » by tsherkin » Sat Nov 25, 2023 11:23 pm

KembaWalker wrote:That's literally what I'm saying. Things were framed in the media as if Pop has some kind of special track record with developing bigs because of his runs with Robinson and Duncan and that Wemby belongs there to follow suit .


I think it was always more that Pops knew how to use skilled bigs than that he had much to do with their development. They came in pretty polished, so Pops just took advantage of what they demonstrated they could do.

I think it's early for people to be critiquing Pops in a season where they were always going to be losing anyway. Allowing the kid a chance to play, allowing the staff to see what he can do, that isn't unreasonable in a season that's a throwaway to begin with.
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Post#380 » by Pachinko_ » Sun Nov 26, 2023 12:31 am

I think he's doing really well actually

The team is tanking so it's **** to watch, and that's fine. But remember what was the main concern with this guy? health and durability, and he's doing excellent in both. Playing 30.4 minutes, hasn't missed a game. And he's averaging 19 pts with 9 rebounds and 2.6 (!) blocks

I mean like I've said about 10 times now I do have my pet peeve with the NBA and NBA fans believing that everybody needs to shoot 3s all the time, including people with hand sizes that make a basketball feel like a testicle, but that's kinda besides the point. It's his first year on a tanking team, let him shoot all the bricks in the word and (hopefully) get it out of his system eventually.

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