Should Final Four be relocated from Indiana to protest recent anti-gay legislation?

[DuckIII]

Is this a joke? What do black rights have to do with basketball? There are far more important issues in the world than black rights, should we cancel every event because some people get offended? Black people should have the same right as everyone else, not more. Its getting out of control the way the black life style is being advertised and you're demonized if you don't agree with it. I personally don't care either way, but this is getting ridiculous.

I don't believe you.

[soxfan2003]

You know society is in the toilet when someone electing not to participate in an event they disagree with is considered an atrocity, yet the mass slaughtering of human beings in the womb is considered acceptable, even encouraged by some.

Even though I am pretty agnostic, I don't respect the views of most progressives/liberals on abortion. Worldwide more than half of the abortions lead to woman being killed so this whole notion that if you are a man, you are sexist if you are opposed to 100% abortion rights is moronic.

Pretty much the ony liberal/progressive position I accept on this issue is by someone like Camille Paglia, a dissident feminist, who at least admits it is killing a human being but just believes so much in the liberty over ones own body and the state not getting involved with that. I disagree with her but respect her opinion since she isn't going against science in saying a fetus is just a bunch of random cells or making double talk.

I tend to believe abortion should be illegal except in cases involving the life of the mother seriously being at stake, rape or a child born with conditions that may be truly horrible. Probably the US would be better off with abortion being only protected by the US government in those rare circumstances and then every state having a vote on its own on whether to allow or disallow abortions.

Frankly, I do think unplanned pregnancies are so bad for society that I would offer free contraception devices to pretty much any woman that wasn't somewhat wealthy. I am talking about the things that work for years at a time that don't rely upon woman taking a pill or men wearing a condom.

[I_Never Lied]

Dude, who cares where someone sticks it?

Why not stick it in a Cow or Dog then?

Cows and dogs don't give consent.

How can you be so sure?

[gustofwind]

You know society is in the toilet when someone electing not to participate in an event they disagree with is considered an atrocity, yet the mass slaughtering of human beings in the womb is considered acceptable, even encouraged by some.

I believe you are portraying abortion in a certain light that denigrates women and the doctors who complete the procedures. Nonetheless, I"ll grant you have a right to your own viewpoint on that issue.

Many of us would see denying the right to choose to a woman to be a hateful, misogynistic act which profoundly denigrates women. I hope you are OK with others having that viewpoint as well.

[Worm Guts]

Anyone have a link I can read proving that one is born gay? Because my Bio class couldn't even do it. I'm neutral on the issue but have a lot of liberal and conservative friends and listening to their arguments are hilariously rhetorical.

My dad, who is gay, summarized in the most perfect way for me.

Why would he have chosen to be gay? Why would he have chosen to grow up hiding his sexuality, be incredibly depressed to the point of suicide. Why would he have chosen a path that's harder, that involves persecution and discrimination?

If you are a man, and you think you are just a choice away from enjoying sex with another man, then guess what? You're gay.

That's probably not exactly true though.

[I_Never Lied]

The Colon is not designed for sex. Point Blank Period. The Colon is not a sex organ. Point Blank Period.

Believe it or not, people have different perspectives on that topic. Not only that, but also some homosexual couples (not to mention lesbians) do not engage in this practice, while some heterosexual couples do.

I'm not sure this is the best place for me to discuss this with you, but you could read a summary on why it is practiced on Wikipedia. You may find even a cursory introduction enlightening. (Please don't cherry pick a sentence out of context and send it back to me, this is honestly for your benefit - if you don't want to don't read it):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_sex

I will read this later. But I will tell you one thing, I can see straight through intelligently written propaganda. You can literally drum up an excuse for almost anything and make it sound palatable.

[Slava]

The Colon is not designed for sex. Point Blank Period. The Colon is not a sex organ. Point Blank Period.

^^^^^^ Never got blown. Never had a hand job.

Hand Job = Complete waste of time.

Blow Job = I'm OK with two men doing this but I am also 100% certain that after this, they will move on to Colon debauchery.

[gustofwind]

My dad, who is gay, summarized in the most perfect way for me.

Why would he have chosen to be gay? Why would he have chosen to grow up hiding his sexuality, be incredibly depressed to the point of suicide. Why would he have chosen a path that's harder, that involves persecution and discrimination?

If you are a man, and you think you are just a choice away from enjoying sex with another man, then guess what? You're gay.

That's probably not exactly true though.

The issue of why someone is gay is extremely complicated, which is why an explanation of why people are "born gay" is not going to be something you'll find in "one link". Again, even a cursory reading however of Wikipedia should give you a general impression of the views of the scientific community.

I'm bisexual myself and believe that actually everyone occupies a space on a bisexual continuum. I don't believe that anyone can be absolutely purely heterosexual or absolutely purely homosexual. I think there is evidence that these definitions are historical constructs intended to discriminate against those who practice "homosexual" acts. But that's just my two cents.

[I_Never Lied]

Care to explain your reasoning for the bolded part? Is it scientifically based? Is it based on sociological and economic implications? Is it just your opinion? Is it based on your religion?

Also, could you clarify what you mean by "Gay love is OK"?

The Colon is not designed for sex. Point Blank Period. The Colon is not a sex organ. Point Blank Period.


If two men want to hug and have feelings for each other, that is most certainly OK. I love my Dad.

This is just bizarre. Whether the colon is designed for sex or not, what business is it of yours what other people are doing? Why is it so hard for some people to just mind their own business? So two sucking each other off is fine, but if they engage in anal sex, it's an issue for you? There are no words. This is just weird thinking. Is the anus sacred to you?

Edit: oh ok, this is supposed to be a joke. Hard to tell when there are a lot of people who actually think like this.

Trying to pass the anus off as something it obviously isn't (a sex organ) should be looked down upon. If you like the way another man looks, talks, smells and feels in your arms THAT IS OK WITH ME.

But don't try and tell me your anus gets wet when you get aroused. The same anus that Diarrhea passes through? Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining.

[gustofwind]

The Colon is not designed for sex. Point Blank Period. The Colon is not a sex organ. Point Blank Period.

Believe it or not, people have different perspectives on that topic. Not only that, but also some homosexual couples (not to mention lesbians) do not engage in this practice, while some heterosexual couples do.

I'm not sure this is the best place for me to discuss this with you, but you could read a summary on why it is practiced on Wikipedia.

I will read this later. But I will tell you one thing, I can see straight through intelligently written propaganda. You can literally drum up an excuse for almost anything and make it sound palatable.

Never Lied: Please delete the link I originally posted from your quote. (I have one the same.) I'm not certain whether or not including the link may be against forum rules. Obviously, I posted the link for educational purposes, but I don't want anyone to misunderstand. Thanks.

(I assume you can search Wikipedia yourself anyway.)

in the meantime to anyone who sees that link: LINK NOT SAFE FOR WORK thanks

(although it is indeed educational for those interested in learning about how people are different)

p.s Wikipedia is not a propaganda website

[nomansland]

The Colon is not designed for sex. Point Blank Period. The Colon is not a sex organ. Point Blank Period.

Believe it or not, people have different perspectives on that topic. Not only that, but also some homosexual couples (not to mention lesbians) do not engage in this practice, while some heterosexual couples do.

Anne Hathaway is a big fan of it.

[Neutral 123]

If you are a man, and you think you are just a choice away from enjoying sex with another man, then guess what? You're gay.

That's probably not exactly true though.

The issue of why someone is gay is extremely complicated, which is why an explanation of why people are "born gay" is not going to be something you'll find in "one link". Again, even a cursory reading however of Wikipedia should give you a general impression of the views of the scientific community.

I'm bisexual myself and believe that actually everyone occupies a space on a bisexual continuum. I don't believe that anyone can be absolutely purely heterosexual or absolutely purely homosexual. I think there is evidence that these definitions are historical constructs intended to discriminate against those who practice "homosexual" acts. But that's just my two cents.

Yeah, like a sliding scale. Honestly though, I think we're getting pretty close to the point where gays shouldn't even bother trying to explain themselves. A lot of this isn't coming from a place of people wanting to be educated, but are just looking for reasons to justify their biases regardless of how irrational they may be.

[Neutral 123]

The Colon is not designed for sex. Point Blank Period. The Colon is not a sex organ. Point Blank Period.

Believe it or not, people have different perspectives on that topic. Not only that, but also some homosexual couples (not to mention lesbians) do not engage in this practice, while some heterosexual couples do.

Anne Hathaway is a big fan of it.

Oh my...

[Rip It]

You know society is in the toilet when someone electing not to participate in an event they disagree with is considered an atrocity, yet the mass slaughtering of human beings in the womb is considered acceptable, even encouraged by some.

You know what would really help limit abortions? Embracing birth control.

Everyone wants there to be less abortions, but Christians' sexually repressive beliefs cause so many unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

Christians do embrace birth control. It's called, "don't be an irresponsible whore."

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Does anyone actually know how this story came about in the first place?

From what I've read, it seems a reporter went around hunting for an example that he could use to write a controversal piece on, and found a pizza place where the manager said they probably wouldn't cater a gay wedding (first of all, in a town of 2000 people, do you think they cater weddings often? and second, pizza at a wedding?). So basically, they had to HUNT to find an example where this bill could be used against people.

Total non story.

EDIT: Here's the video, they basically went door to door, specifically trying to find someone who would say no to catering a gay wedding. Nothing even happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/0 ... 85208.html

Awful reporting, this whole thing is a joke.

[Duffman100]

Anyone have a link I can read proving that one is born gay? Because my Bio class couldn't even do it. I'm neutral on the issue but have a lot of liberal and conservative friends and listening to their arguments are hilariously rhetorical.

My dad, who is gay, summarized in the most perfect way for me.

Why would he have chosen to be gay? Why would he have chosen to grow up hiding his sexuality, be incredibly depressed to the point of suicide. Why would he have chosen a path that's harder, that involves persecution and discrimination?

Why were you born?

I'm confused by your question.

[Neutral 123]

Does anyone actually know how this story came about in the first place?

From what I've read, it seems a reporter went around hunting for an example that he could use to write a controversal piece on, and found a pizza place where the manager said they probably wouldn't cater a gay wedding (first of all, in a town of 2000 people, do you think they cater weddings often? and second, pizza at a wedding?). So basically, they had to HUNT to find an example where this bill could be used against people.

Total non story.

EDIT: Here's the video, they basically went door to door, specifically trying to find someone who would say no to catering a gay wedding. Nothing even happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/0 ... 85208.html

Awful reporting, this whole thing is a joke.

Well it looks like they've made these people millionaires, as their gofundme account in a little over a day is approaching a million dollars raised.

[AirP.]

But don't try and tell me your anus gets wet when you get aroused. The same anus that Diarrhea passes through? Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining.

So now people can't kiss anyone because the mouth has been known to let puke pass through it.

[babyjax13]

If you are a man, and you think you are just a choice away from enjoying sex with another man, then guess what? You're gay.

That's probably not exactly true though.

The issue of why someone is gay is extremely complicated, which is why an explanation of why people are "born gay" is not going to be something you'll find in "one link". Again, even a cursory reading however of Wikipedia should give you a general impression of the views of the scientific community.

I'm bisexual myself and believe that actually everyone occupies a space on a bisexual continuum. I don't believe that anyone can be absolutely purely heterosexual or absolutely purely homosexual. I think there is evidence that these definitions are historical constructs intended to discriminate against those who practice "homosexual" acts. But that's just my two cents.

Eh, disagree. I think that marginalizes the experience of people whose sexuality/sexual orientation you don't share. Although I do think that there is a stigmatization of existing on the bisexual continuum, especially for men. Anyone man who has a same sex experience (and it is well known) is labeled gay for life, even if that isn't actually true (and this is a societal generalization, obviously there are a fair amount of individuals who don't share this belief). This can follow them for life, as many women are hesitant to be in a relationship with someone who might be gay (and I'm sure the opposite is true too, even though the overt sexual desire of many men to see women engage in homosexual activity...you know, because "lesbians are hot"). But probably, this part of the issue is neither here nor there in the context of Indiana's RFRA.

[I_Never Lied]

But don't try and tell me your anus gets wet when you get aroused. The same anus that Diarrhea passes through? Don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining.

So now people can't kiss anyone because the mouth has been known to let puke pass through it.

Do you puke every day? Do you know anything about feces and what it does? It has vast quantities of bacteria and viruses and could lead to deadly sepsis or infection, E.Coli poisoning comes from feces.

My God. Why does someone have to explain to you the perversion and filthiness of it?