Who's the G.O.A.T. ?

[lazybatman]

Read your last two posts here, see the hypocrisy yet? Or you just going to keep on trucking with your blinders on ?

Don't respond to this dude bro.. It's the Pandora's Box of Spam.

[lazybatman]

We can go anywhere you like but the fact remains.
You can't debate because the facts cannot be ignored.
NBA, FIBA....anywhere.
The sooner you accept it, the better for your mental health.

You got me all aroused at the mention of the word 'facts', so let me respond.

Shaq, Kobe, T-Mac and KG didn't go to those Olympics. Lebron was a 20 year old who played for a total of 17 minutes in the 3 elimination games. Averaged 27-7-7 for the season in NBA though, closing the season with a .500+ record with that Cavs team.

Do you know where MJ was when he was 20? Sucking his mom's tits in NCAA averaging 20 ppg. Without Scottie, he has only had a .500 record twice - 2013-14 and 2015-16 with Charlotte Hornets. Even they suck since he became owner.

Feel like retiring for mental health issues like your supreme leader?

MJ in 1984, at the age of 20 won a gold medal with the US, leading the team's scoring.
He also had won an NCAA title by the age of 18.

Shaq, Kobe and KG didn't go in 2004??? And?
Neither Magic, Bird, Moses, Dr. J etc. went in 1984.
Duncan, Iverson, Marbury, Stoudemire, Marion along with his peers Melo, Wade went in 2004 though.

And 2 years later? In 2006?
What happened then? LeBron lost to this guy:



It was only after Kobe decided to give a hand in 2008, that LeBron became a winner with TeamUSA.

And yes, the Hornets suck and MJ sucks as an owner.
And?

You guys look hopeless...

Nice comeback Fair enough.

Lebron was still tearing it up in the NBA dude. FIBA and NCAA don't compare to that.

[twyzted]

Don't respond to this dude bro.. It's the Pandora's Box of Spam.

Not at all.. Potatoes and stupidity have always been in abundance in this world.

Dude if you have 5+ people responding to you. You would have to start thinking that your quotes might be more telling about you then those who you are replying to.

[AgentGreen]

Hard to digest isn't it when the player attributes votes according to NBA followers are against you. I know it is quite tough for you to realise that the NBA exists way longer than your King has played in this leage. And that there was a guy who did everything even better i.e. has a 100% winning percentage in the NBA Finals, 10X scoring Champion in a tougher defensive era. Who for most of us NBA followers, according to the votes as well, is the true GOAT.

Not at all.. Potatoes and stupidity have always been in abundance in this world.

Such a insightful comment.

The majority has spoken and history + stats/data are proving how blind the Lebron stans is.

[Magic Is Magic]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

[sunsbg]

Most neutral fans like MJ much better. Sorry, Lebronians, it's not even about the numbers.

[jokeboy86]

The answer is LL Cool J

[MavsPride99]

You got me all aroused at the mention of the word 'facts', so let me respond.

Shaq, Kobe, T-Mac and KG didn't go to those Olympics. Lebron was a 20 year old who played for a total of 17 minutes in the 3 elimination games. Averaged 27-7-7 for the season in NBA though, closing the season with a .500+ record with that Cavs team.

Do you know where MJ was when he was 20? Sucking his mom's tits in NCAA averaging 20 ppg. Without Scottie, he has only had a .500 record twice - 2013-14 and 2015-16 with Charlotte Hornets. Even they suck since he became owner.

Feel like retiring for mental health issues like your supreme leader?

MJ in 1984, at the age of 20 won a gold medal with the US, leading the team's scoring.
He also had won an NCAA title by the age of 18.

Shaq, Kobe and KG didn't go in 2004??? And?
Neither Magic, Bird, Moses, Dr. J etc. went in 1984.
Duncan, Iverson, Marbury, Stoudemire, Marion along with his peers Melo, Wade went in 2004 though.

And 2 years later? In 2006?
What happened then? LeBron lost to this guy:



It was only after Kobe decided to give a hand in 2008, that LeBron became a winner with TeamUSA.

And yes, the Hornets suck and MJ sucks as an owner.
And?

You guys look hopeless...

Nice comeback Fair enough.

Lebron was still tearing it up in the NBA dude. FIBA and NCAA don't compare to that.

Le Crybaby was still tearing it up in the nba, lol nice comeback man

2011 nba finals
Wade 26.5 8 4.1
Dirk 26 9.6 2
Le Crybaby 17.8 7.1 6.8

Name me a time where Jordan wasnt the best player in the finals. Your boy wasnt even the best player on his team. Biggest stage on the planet and your boy is the third best player on the court? In his prime....keep trying to change peoples minds man

[MavsPride99]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

Jordan 6/0
Le Crybaby 4/6

Also name me a player that Le Cry Baby made better

[twyzted]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

Yes all of those are in the list i posted

Does not change a thing
Jordan 30 records
Lbj 22 records

Jordan higher PER, ws/48, obpm, bpm.
Only thing lebron has is accumulated stats

[Magic Is Magic]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

Jordan 6/0
Le Crybaby 4/6

Also name me a player that Le Cry Baby made better

You seem pretty mad at Lebron all the time for being a "MavsFan."

Who did he make better? You mean who didn't he make better?

From 2007 to 2010 (4 years before LeBron's arrival) Wade never made it free from the 1st round. Then from 2011 to 2014 he made 4 straight Finals. Shall I continue? Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, and Kyrie Irving (all 4 of them) had a combined total of 1 playoff series win before joining LeBron and probably 0 chance of making the Hall of Fame or winning any rings. Things have changed for them after playing with the King.

That isn't a typo, so I'll say it a gain. Bosh, Love, Davis, and Kyrie all won a combined ONE playoff series before joining LeBron. Shall I continue?

Shortly after playing with LeBron, Mozgov got paid big time. Delevedova got paid. Mo Williams somehow made an all star game. And now after 2020, Rondo and Dwight are looking to get even more money. Shall I continue?

Look man, if you're going to keep tossing me slow-pitch, underhand softball throws I'll keep crushing them but I have to admit it's getting a little boring.

[Magic Is Magic]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

Yes all of those are in the list i posted

Does not change a thing
Jordan 30 records
Lbj 22 records

Jordan higher PER, ws/48, obpm, bpm.
Only thing lebron has is accumulated stats

All stats are accumulated. Which stats are not accumulated?

LeBron did more. Simply put. Mostly because he was consistent, whereas Jordan was not. You have to remember Jordan's stats suffer because he was very divided with consistency. He only was able to achieve 6 Finals appearances so that is part of why his stats are low compared to LeBron. Lebron was more consistent, fewer 1st round exits (MJ 3 , LJ 0), more Finals appearances (MJ 6, LJ 10), which leads to better accumulated stats. LeBron > Jordan

[AgentGreen]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

So because Lebron has a longer NBA career, because he skipped college, he's suddenly the better player? For real?

MJ's career playoff pts average is 33.4 and Lebrons average is 28.8.
MJ's career average in steals is 2.1 and Lebrons average is 1.7

Postseason buzzer beater? really? What's Lebron's win percentage against Jordan's in the finals? Case closed. Who never choked in the finals? Jordan never had a game 7 in the finals. That's how good he was.

The only thing lebronians are holding onto are on Lebron's longer NBA career. If you look at the career average of both players. Jordan wouldve been miles ahead and even wouldve surpassed Kareem if he skipped college and didn't have a break after his 1st 3-peat. But the thing is he doesn't care, he just wanted to win. You can't teach greatness and you can't demand the respect and greatness, that's pathetic.

[twyzted]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

Yes all of those are in the list i posted

Does not change a thing
Jordan 30 records
Lbj 22 records

Jordan higher PER, ws/48, obpm, bpm.
Only thing lebron has is accumulated stats

All stats are accumulated. Which stats are not accumulated?

LeBron did more. Simply put. Mostly because he was consistent, whereas Jordan was not. You have to remember Jordan's stats suffer because he was very divided with consistency. He only was able to achieve 6 Finals appearances so that is part of why his stats are low compared to LeBron. Lebron was more consistent, fewer 1st round exits (MJ 3 , LJ 0), more Finals appearances (MJ 6, LJ 10), which leads to better accumulated stats. LeBron > Jordan

Averages is not accumulated.
But yet jordan has more titles, fmvps, mvps in shorter time.
And no Lebron is not more consistent.
How is 11 finals consistent?
Or 07, 09&10 losing in ecf and ecsf as the nr1 seed.
Or for the first 5 vs spurs in 13 he had 22 ppg, 43% 31% 73%
then in game 6 he shot 43% 20% 75% 10 11 6 32 -1
Then in 15 when he shot under 40% for the whole final series.
He has shot under 40% in 47 playoff games thats 20% of his playoff games.
That is not consistent.

Jordan in finals
ppg 34pg 6 rpg 6 apg 2spg 3 topg 49% 38% 81%
Lebron in finals
28ppg 10 rpg 8apg 2spg 1bpg 4topg 48% 36% 73%

Jordan has higher fg% 3pt% and ft% plus higher ppg.
He also has had finals where he has assisted more 11.4 vs 10 lbj best. More spg, bpg, ppg everything except rpg.

Lebron even wins in missing the playoff 3>2

[Magic Is Magic]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

So because Lebron has a longer NBA career, because he skipped college, he's suddenly the better player? For real?

MJ's career playoff pts average is 33.4 and Lebrons average is 28.8.
MJ's career average in steals is 2.1 and Lebrons average is 1.7

Postseason buzzer beater? really? What's Lebron's win percentage against Jordan's in the finals? Case closed. Who never choked in the finals? Jordan never had a game 7 in the finals. That's how good he was.

The only thing lebronians are holding onto are on Lebron's longer NBA career. If you look at the career average of both players. Jordan wouldve been miles ahead and even wouldve surpassed Kareem if he skipped college and didn't have a break after his 1st 3-peat. But the thing is he doesn't care, he just wanted to win. You can't teach greatness and you can't demand the respect and greatness, that's pathetic.

Longer NBA career? Sorry to say but you're completely wrong, downright wrong. Inaccurate and misguided. I'll keep it simple for you.

LeBron passed MJ in all major stats using EQUAL playoff series runs (13 years to 13 years ).
13 playoffs vs 13 playoffs is not a "longer career" it's an equal measuring stick.

This most recent 14th playoff run in 2020 was just more icing on the cake to pile even more stats over MJ but by the 13th playoff LeBron had already passed MJ in playoff points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. Those are the facts, stop trying to distort them. The reason LeBron did more is because he is the most consistent player in the entire world. 10 Finals to 6 Finals counts for something. Having zero 1st round exits counts for something. And at the end of the day MJ has the rings and LBJ has the stats. Don't start spouting off about "Longer career" when you don't know what the hell you're talking about. 13 years to 13 years. Period.

[Magic Is Magic]

Yes all of those are in the list i posted

Does not change a thing
Jordan 30 records
Lbj 22 records

Jordan higher PER, ws/48, obpm, bpm.
Only thing lebron has is accumulated stats

All stats are accumulated. Which stats are not accumulated?

LeBron did more. Simply put. Mostly because he was consistent, whereas Jordan was not. You have to remember Jordan's stats suffer because he was very divided with consistency. He only was able to achieve 6 Finals appearances so that is part of why his stats are low compared to LeBron. Lebron was more consistent, fewer 1st round exits (MJ 3 , LJ 0), more Finals appearances (MJ 6, LJ 10), which leads to better accumulated stats. LeBron > Jordan

Averages is not accumulated.
But yet jordan has more titles, fmvps, mvps in shorter time.
And no Lebron is not more consistent.
How is 11 finals consistent?
Or 07, 09&10 losing in ecf and ecsf as the nr1 seed.
Or for the first 5 vs spurs in 13 he had 22 ppg, 43% 31% 73%
then in game 6 he shot 43% 20% 75% 10 11 6 32 -1
Then in 15 when he shot under 40% for the whole final series.
He has shot under 40% in 47 playoff games thats 20% of his playoff games.
That is not consistent.

Jordan in finals
ppg 34pg 6 rpg 6 apg 2spg 3 topg 49% 38% 81%
Lebron in finals
28ppg 10 rpg 8apg 2spg 1bpg 4topg 48% 36% 73%

Jordan has higher fg% 3pt% and ft% plus higher ppg.
He also has had finals where he has assisted more 11.4 vs 10 lbj best. More spg, bpg, ppg everything except rpg.

Lebron even wins in missing the playoff 3>2

So by your logic, a 1st round loss is not inconsistent, but a Finals loss is? Certified troll.

Yes we know MJ has more titles, who is arguing that he doesn't? But he doesn't have more stats. He has less. He scored less points. He grabbed less rebounds. He assisted on fewer makes. He stole fewer balls. And he blocked fewer shots. His ceiling was 6 Finals.

[MavsPride99]

Dont shoot the messenger twyztd

Jordan 6/0
Le Crybaby 4/6

Also name me a player that Le Cry Baby made better

You seem pretty mad at Lebron all the time for being a "MavsFan."

Who did he make better? You mean who didn't he make better?

From 2007 to 2010 (4 years before LeBron's arrival) Wade never made it free from the 1st round. Then from 2011 to 2014 he made 4 straight Finals. Shall I continue? Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, and Kyrie Irving (all 4 of them) had a combined total of 1 playoff series win before joining LeBron and probably 0 chance of making the Hall of Fame or winning any rings. Things have changed for them after playing with the King.

That isn't a typo, so I'll say it a gain. Bosh, Love, Davis, and Kyrie all won a combined ONE playoff series before joining LeBron. Shall I continue?

Shortly after playing with LeBron, Mozgov got paid big time. Delevedova got paid. Mo Williams somehow made an all star game. And now after 2020, Rondo and Dwight are looking to get even more money. Shall I continue?

Look man, if you're going to keep tossing me slow-pitch, underhand softball throws I'll keep crushing them but I have to admit it's getting a little boring.

Look man Wade was 2006 nba finals champ and fmvp. He was already a superstar. Bosh, Davis,and Love were all three 20-10 guys before joining Le Crybaby. They were already all stars. He didnt make them all stars they were already established players. You act like they were trash before joining Le Crybaby. Loves best teamates were Kevin Martin and Nikola Pekovic. Bosh were De Rozan and Bargnani. Kyries best teammates were Luol Deng and Anderson Varegao. He didnt make any of these players better. They were already great players. Le Crybaby had to join Wade and Bosh to win a chip. And yea man i hate the guy. Thought we already went over this. But facts are facts. He couldnt win without two other all star players

[lazybatman]

MJ in 1984, at the age of 20 won a gold medal with the US, leading the team's scoring.
He also had won an NCAA title by the age of 18.

Shaq, Kobe and KG didn't go in 2004??? And?
Neither Magic, Bird, Moses, Dr. J etc. went in 1984.
Duncan, Iverson, Marbury, Stoudemire, Marion along with his peers Melo, Wade went in 2004 though.

And 2 years later? In 2006?
What happened then? LeBron lost to this guy:



It was only after Kobe decided to give a hand in 2008, that LeBron became a winner with TeamUSA.

And yes, the Hornets suck and MJ sucks as an owner.
And?

You guys look hopeless...

Nice comeback Fair enough.

Lebron was still tearing it up in the NBA dude. FIBA and NCAA don't compare to that.

Le Crybaby was still tearing it up in the nba, lol nice comeback man

2011 nba finals
Wade 26.5 8 4.1
Dirk 26 9.6 2
Le Crybaby 17.8 7.1 6.8

Name me a time where Jordan wasnt the best player in the finals. Your boy wasnt even the best player on his team. Biggest stage on the planet and your boy is the third best player on the court? In his prime....keep trying to change peoples minds man

This is your cult's problem. Can't even stick to a point and graciously accept a win or a loss.

Here's the deal - I enjoyed MJ's career just as much as I'm enjoying Lebron's.

I don't like Kyrie personally, so I just don't watch him. But you guys.. are something special.

You guys just live in fear of every Lebron triple double, every trade his team makes, every 30 point game, every 10 assist game, every game he basically doesn't get injured. Cos, although the majority votes for Jordan, but they all watch Lebron according to the TV ratings. Makes me feel that you're bigger fans of the man than I am. Can we call your cult TransBronSexuals? Can we call Skip Bayless your supreme leader?

[MavsPride99]

All stats are accumulated. Which stats are not accumulated?

LeBron did more. Simply put. Mostly because he was consistent, whereas Jordan was not. You have to remember Jordan's stats suffer because he was very divided with consistency. He only was able to achieve 6 Finals appearances so that is part of why his stats are low compared to LeBron. Lebron was more consistent, fewer 1st round exits (MJ 3 , LJ 0), more Finals appearances (MJ 6, LJ 10), which leads to better accumulated stats. LeBron > Jordan

Averages is not accumulated.
But yet jordan has more titles, fmvps, mvps in shorter time.
And no Lebron is not more consistent.
How is 11 finals consistent?
Or 07, 09&10 losing in ecf and ecsf as the nr1 seed.
Or for the first 5 vs spurs in 13 he had 22 ppg, 43% 31% 73%
then in game 6 he shot 43% 20% 75% 10 11 6 32 -1
Then in 15 when he shot under 40% for the whole final series.
He has shot under 40% in 47 playoff games thats 20% of his playoff games.
That is not consistent.

Jordan in finals
ppg 34pg 6 rpg 6 apg 2spg 3 topg 49% 38% 81%
Lebron in finals
28ppg 10 rpg 8apg 2spg 1bpg 4topg 48% 36% 73%

Jordan has higher fg% 3pt% and ft% plus higher ppg.
He also has had finals where he has assisted more 11.4 vs 10 lbj best. More spg, bpg, ppg everything except rpg.

Lebron even wins in missing the playoff 3>2

So by your logic, a 1st round loss is not inconsistent, but a Finals loss is? Certified troll.

Yes we know MJ has more titles, who is arguing that he doesn't? But he doesn't have more stats. He has less. He scored less points. He grabbed less rebounds. He assisted on fewer makes. He stole fewer balls. And he blocked fewer shots. His ceiling was 6 Finals.[/


And he had to go join two other allstars to win a chip. Weakess move ive seen in 30 years of watching the nba from a goat level player. Tail between his legs joining Wade. Couldnt get it done his first year in LA with Ingram, Kuzman, Ball and Hart. So he had to beg Anthony Davis to come join him in LA. Name Five better players in the nba this past year

[MavsPride99]

Nice comeback Fair enough.

Lebron was still tearing it up in the NBA dude. FIBA and NCAA don't compare to that.

Le Crybaby was still tearing it up in the nba, lol nice comeback man

2011 nba finals
Wade 26.5 8 4.1
Dirk 26 9.6 2
Le Crybaby 17.8 7.1 6.8

Name me a time where Jordan wasnt the best player in the finals. Your boy wasnt even the best player on his team. Biggest stage on the planet and your boy is the third best player on the court? In his prime....keep trying to change peoples minds man

This is your cult's problem. Can't even stick to a point and graciously accept a win or a loss.

Here's the deal - I enjoyed MJ's career just as much as I'm enjoying Lebron's.

I don't like Kyrie personally, so I just don't watch him. But you guys.. are something special.

You guys just live in fear of every Lebron triple double, every trade his team makes, every 30 point game, every 10 assist game, every game he basically doesn't get injured. Cos, although the majority votes for Jordan, but they all watch Lebron according to the TV ratings. Makes me feel that you're bigger fans of the man than I am. Can we call your cult TransBronSexuals? Can we call Skip Bayless your supreme leader?

So you cant answer my question but you come back with insults? Pretty weak mam. Answer: jordan never put on a choke show in the finals...