2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

[Madhouse]

Only 9 rookies averaging 13/8/2 and 1.5 BLK since 1974. Mobley one of them.
Only 4 rookies averaging 15/8/3/1/1 since 1974 and Barnes one of them.
Only 9 rookies averaging 15/6/5 since 1950 and Cade one of them.
Only 4 rookies averaging 10/7/6 since 1950 and Giddey one of them.

This class is off to an excellent start and this with covid implications. Lots more players will emerge soon.

[LoveMyRaps]

Only 9 rookies averaging 13/8/2 and 1.5 BLK since 1974. Mobley one of them.
Only 4 rookies averaging 15/8/3/1/1 since 1974 and Barnes one of them.
Only 9 rookies averaging 15/6/5 since 1950 and Cade one of them.
Only 4 rookies averaging 10/7/6 since 1950 and Giddey one of them.

This class is off to an excellent start and this with covid implications. Lots more players will emerge soon.

Who are the other 3 that put up those numbers with Barnes?

[Madhouse]

Only 9 rookies averaging 13/8/2 and 1.5 BLK since 1974. Mobley one of them.
Only 4 rookies averaging 15/8/3/1/1 since 1974 and Barnes one of them.
Only 9 rookies averaging 15/6/5 since 1950 and Cade one of them.
Only 4 rookies averaging 10/7/6 since 1950 and Giddey one of them.

This class is off to an excellent start and this with covid implications. Lots more players will emerge soon.

Who are the other 3 that put up those numbers with Barnes?

https://stathead.com/tiny/k1gXZ

[PD28]

tried for a few minutes and couldn't find one strictly for mid range, i'll keep playing with it.

also, it's bball-index's data and charts, i literally just choose the filters and it does the rest.

Appreciate the effort! Many of us have been debating about how Mobley is used on the defensive end and these charts paint a very clear image of his usage so far.

What’s the debate exactly?

People really overrate 1-on-1 defense. Guarding the most difficult matchup on the opposing team is nice but as Gobert alluded to in response to Edwards, it pales in comparison to essentially guarding the whole team. Mobley’s assignment isn’t to take on the best scorer. It’s to take away as much space on the floor as possible for all 5 guys. And him doing that so successfully is a big reason why the Cavs went from the #25 defense last year to #2 this year and why he’s by far the most impactful defender in the class.

Some posters were claiming the Mobley is at the top of the list in terms of defensive versatility. Could he be? Yes. Is he being used that way? Nope. The charts posted agreed with that statement and hence why I said what I did.

I think many Rookies are being thrown into the fire in terms of guarding numerous positions and this could do them wonders in terms of development but also make them look worse defensively than they would be guarding one position. I think Mobley is being used in a way that really enhances his impact and doesn't put him in a position to fail - props to the coach for using him this way.

[whitehops]

sorry was just reading through the kuminga thread on the GB and was going to post in that thread but figured this thread might be more appropriate as it's a general comment about rookies: be patient.

i catch myself doing it sometimes too but it is way too early to say player A will definitely be better than player A, player A will be an all star, etc. there are loads of examples to show why it is too early to make proclamations but this one is my favourite....

kyle lowry is probably the greatest raptor the franchise has had. outside of kawhi one year, he's arguably the best player they've had. fun fact: he didn't even start (or average double digit PPG) until his fifth year in the league. he was drafted 24th overall in his draft and didn't make an all-rookie team but has the second-most win shares in the draft class. the irony? the raptors had the first overall pick in that draft and took andrea bargnani, who was first team all-rookie.

so yeah... give the guys some time before making absolute statements.

[Bruin]

sorry was just reading through the kuminga thread on the GB and was going to post in that thread but figured this thread might be more appropriate as it's a general comment about rookies: be patient.

i catch myself doing it sometimes too but it is way too early to say player A will definitely be better than player A, player A will be an all star, etc. there are loads of examples to show why it is too early to make proclamations but this one is my favourite....

kyle lowry is probably the greatest raptor the franchise has had. outside of kawhi one year, he's arguably the best player they've had. fun fact: he didn't even start (or average double digit PPG) until his fifth year in the league. he was drafted 24th overall in his draft and didn't make an all-rookie team but has the second-most win shares in the draft class. the irony? the raptors had the first overall pick in that draft and took andrea bargnani, who was first team all-rookie.

so yeah... give the guys some time before making absolute statements.

While I agree with the sentiment, Lowry was an exception. It’s not very common for a player to make the leap that Lowry made that far into his career

It can happen, but not very common

[whitehops]

While I agree with the sentiment, Lowry was an exception. It’s not very common for a player to make the leap that Lowry made that far into his career

It can happen, but not very common

i know it is a more extreme example of a player developing but i like it for the irony

but it really isn't that uncommon. in the draft after lowry, mike conley didn't make either all-rookie team. rodney stuckey did though. the year after michael beasley and OJ mayo made the first rookie team, while guys like deandre jordan, serge ibaka, gallinari, nic batum, etc. didn't make either team. kevin love at least made second team but was behind mayo and beasley.

you can go year by year and find multiple examples of rookies having good first seasons but not having great careers and vice versa.

[srhcan]

Anyone like Kuminga tonight? Outside of Mobley, Kuminga is getting the hardest defensive assignment (as a rookie) off the bench. Guarding all 5 positions. Got CP3 tonight, and probably learned more from his experience.

He is on a short leash. And looks like making more and more impact 2 months into the season.

Getting coached up by two of the best IQ players in Dray and Iggy... on top of a dedicated development coach.

His shots are already cleaner than coming into the season. And for a 19 year old, his footwork is better than most players off the bench in the league already. A dunking machine when he sees a lane.

Dray already saying he will be a big part of the playoff with his growth.

So I don't understand the trade him talk, by RGM and "experts", when he is so young, so gifted, and cheap. He is already looking like a potential star if he continues to learn.

Barnes is getting the hardest defensive assignment followed by Mobley and then Kuminga.

Kuminga can be a generational player. His ceiling is highest of all the rookies.

Fun Fact: Kuminga was Raptors first choice in the draft as Masai Ujiri was very high on him. Masai has been in awe of Giannis for a long time and have tried to bring him to Raptors multiple times. In Kuminga Masai find someone who can eventually fulfil his Giannis dream. But Kuminga was underwhelming in Ignite matches, there were some murmurs that Masai was a little bit biased towards African players and then Barnes keep moving up the board impressing everyone with his work ethics. Eventually Barnes with his play forced Raptors to pick him.

If Kuminga fulfils his potential then he will be consider #1 pick in this draft. But Raptors will never regret picking Barnes over Kuminga.

[srhcan]

I think Mobley should win it so far . He’s great defensive anchor and has impacted cavs winning games drastically . They were not this good last year .

This narrative that Cavs are winning because of Mobley has already been proven false. Cavs will win with or without Mobley. Mobley is not even among top 3 players of Cavs.

[Mind_Odyssey]

Mobley is not even among top 3 players of Cavs.

Are you trolling?

[thelead]

Mobley is not even among top 3 players of Cavs.

Are you trolling?

It’s a troll account to trash everyone not on the Raptors. Not sure why multiple rookies can’t be good. I guess it’s a product of our society. The negativity around the world takes the enjoyment out of so many things.

[srhcan]

Mobley is not even among top 3 players of Cavs.

Are you trolling?

Garland and Allen are surefire top 2 players of Cavs which everyone will agree. I believe the 3rd best player of Cavs currently is Love.

[LoveMyRaps]

Mobley is not even among top 3 players of Cavs.

Are you trolling?

Garland and Allen are surefire top 2 players of Cavs which everyone will agree. I believe the 3rd best player of Cavs currently is Love.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooool love ??? seriously man???

[LoveMyRaps]

Mobley is not even among top 3 players of Cavs.

Are you trolling?

It’s a troll account to trash everyone not on the Raptors. Not sure why multiple rookies can’t be good. I guess it’s a product of our society. The negativity around the world takes the enjoyment out of so many things.

Ah, love how you just decided to come up with that narrative.

That dude hates on Barnes too. He said he's trade Barnes for Myles Turner and also suggested Giddey is better than Barnes.

[thelead]

Are you trolling?

It’s a troll account to trash everyone not on the Raptors. Not sure why multiple rookies can’t be good. I guess it’s a product of our society. The negativity around the world takes the enjoyment out of so many things.

Ah, love how you just decided to come up with that narrative.

That dude hates on Barnes too. He said he's trade Barnes for Myles Turner and also suggested Giddey is better than Barnes.

So he’s just negative altogether?

[LoveMyRaps]

It’s a troll account to trash everyone not on the Raptors. Not sure why multiple rookies can’t be good. I guess it’s a product of our society. The negativity around the world takes the enjoyment out of so many things.

Ah, love how you just decided to come up with that narrative.

That dude hates on Barnes too. He said he's trade Barnes for Myles Turner and also suggested Giddey is better than Barnes.

So he’s just negative altogether?

Yeah pretty sure he's just a troll. lol

[Vampirate]

Damn Wagner is having himself a game (25 pts so far, 12 shots, 7 boards, 1 stl, 1 blk) and the only thing running through my mind is..........

"Well it's the 2021 draft class, what's new?"

[thelead]

Damn Wagner is having himself a game (25 pts so far, 12 shots, 7 boards, 1 stl, 1 blk) and the only thing running through my mind is..........

"Well it's the 2021 draft class, what's new?"

Against a relatively healthy Bucks team too.

[thelead]

Franz with an efficient 30pts so far with Jrue and Kris guarding him

[yoyoboy]

Herbert Jones is impressive. He plays with a lot of energy.