Woj/Shams Bomb: Porzingis traded to Celtics Part Deux! Grizzlies involved, Marcus Smart to Grizz - Tyus Jones to Wiz

[bisme37]

Yeah this is an epic fail of a trade. Lost the soul of your team in Smart, keep the guard that was too injured to trade, for an equally injury prone Center, who is also known to be a team cancer. Celtics, it was nice knowing you.

You just packed so much into this comment that I had to bookmark it

You guys are in no position to talk trash. Failed to make the finals, when the game was there for the taking. Went down 0-3, nearly lost to the Sixers, except for Tatum having one otherworldly game. The Celtics made a move that could help, but overall, they are taking a lot of risk with injury. Not to mention, Tatum is still inconsistent in the playoffs, and Jaylen Brown is about to become the most overpaid star in the league, with the largest contract. That contract becomes untradeable the moment he puts pen to paper. He still can't go to his left, and was being outplayed by Caleb Martin. You got rid of someone who was the heart of the team, and still have Brown who is not a good fit.

[eyeatoma]

You just packed so much into this comment that I had to bookmark it

You guys are in no position to talk trash. Failed to make the finals, when the game was there for the taking. Went down 0-3, nearly lost to the Sixers, except for Tatum having one otherworldly game. The Celtics made a move that could help, but overall, they are taking a lot of risk with injury. Not to mention, Tatum is still inconsistent in the playoffs, and Jaylen Brown is about to become the most overpaid star in the league, with the largest contract. That contract becomes untradeable the moment he puts pen to paper. He still can't go to his left, and was being outplayed by Caleb Martin. You got rid of someone who was the heart of the team, and still have Brown who is not a good fit.

Bisme37, anything I'm saying that's not true? This is everything you guys said on the post series threads. Plenty of Celtics fans believe it. I give Boston credit for making moves. Brad Stevens is able to fleece teams. Overall the fit works if they're healthy, but it doesn't solve the bigger issues of players coming up small in the playoffs. Jaylen Brown isn't going to change, and is about to have the worst contract in the league. There are 5 players in the league worth that contract and Brown is not one of them.

Looking for a genuine response. You and I have good conversations, so I'm interested to get your take here, where am I completely off base?

[Darth Celtic]

Well, yeah, cuz trading smart for two picks and kp has nothing to do with the other stuff. Does it make Celtics better. It sure does. Regardless of all the other things you may dislike about the Celtics roster.

[bisme37]

You guys are in no position to talk trash. Failed to make the finals, when the game was there for the taking. Went down 0-3, nearly lost to the Sixers, except for Tatum having one otherworldly game. The Celtics made a move that could help, but overall, they are taking a lot of risk with injury. Not to mention, Tatum is still inconsistent in the playoffs, and Jaylen Brown is about to become the most overpaid star in the league, with the largest contract. That contract becomes untradeable the moment he puts pen to paper. He still can't go to his left, and was being outplayed by Caleb Martin. You got rid of someone who was the heart of the team, and still have Brown who is not a good fit.

Bisme37, anything I'm saying that's not true? This is everything you guys said on the post series threads. Plenty of Celtics fans believe it. I give Boston credit for making moves. Brad Stevens is able to fleece teams. Overall the fit works if they're healthy, but it doesn't solve the bigger issues of players coming up small in the playoffs. Jaylen Brown isn't going to change, and is about to have the worst contract in the league. There are 5 players in the league worth that contract and Brown is not one of them.

Looking for a genuine response. You and I have good conversations, so I'm interested to get your take here, where am I completely off base?

I'm not mad at you, man. I just noticed the numerous hater posts from you in the various threads about the trade and wanted to poke a little fun.

We acquired Porzingis and you're now changing the subject completely in order to take a massive dump on the entire team. Kinda funny to me is all, but it's part of the deal on sports forums so have at it.

[eyeatoma]

Well, yeah, cuz trading smart for two picks and kp has nothing to do with the other stuff. Does it make Celtics better. It sure does. Regardless of all the other things you may dislike about the Celtics roster.

I just don't' like the idea of rolling with three centers who all have big question marks. It doesn't address the bigger need which was getting a playmaker. That's not be being a hater. That's me being a realist. The other problems with the are the Celtics biggest issues. The players that are inconsistent are Tatum and Brown.

I've lost hope with the Sixers, unless they can move off of Harden, and Embiid can be healthy. If he's healthy, and still chokes, then he needs to be moved. The Celtics are staring at reality, and repeated issues, but are choosing to ignore the glaring weaknesses on the roster.

[eyeatoma]

Bisme37, anything I'm saying that's not true? This is everything you guys said on the post series threads. Plenty of Celtics fans believe it. I give Boston credit for making moves. Brad Stevens is able to fleece teams. Overall the fit works if they're healthy, but it doesn't solve the bigger issues of players coming up small in the playoffs. Jaylen Brown isn't going to change, and is about to have the worst contract in the league. There are 5 players in the league worth that contract and Brown is not one of them.

Looking for a genuine response. You and I have good conversations, so I'm interested to get your take here, where am I completely off base?

I'm not mad at you, man. I just noticed the numerous hater posts from you in the various threads about the trade and wanted to poke a little fun.

We acquired Porzingis and you're now changing the subject completely in order to take a massive dump on the entire team. Kinda funny to me is all, but it's part of the deal on sports forums so have at it.

haha, I know you're not mad. I think I have the right to question how well this impacts the Celtics chances of winning. Just think the bigger question marks need to be addressed.

[GSWFan1994]

I'm writing this because the mods sent me a PM telling they wanted to read my analysis, so here it is:

I was very surprised with this trade.

I thought Smart was gonna retire a Celtic, he was really their soul and played hard all game long, albeit with his limitations.

Now Memphis is probably thinking that trading for Smart is going to help set their culture around Ja (also letting Dillon go).

I don't know if I like Porzingis going for Boston though... love him as a player, but he's always been inconsistent and misses a lot of time with injuries as well, despite having an All-Star caliber season this season.

Actually Boston is in a conundrum here: they pay so much to Tatum/Brown that if they try to improve their big rotation, their guard rotation will suffer. It's like choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

Worth mentioning, too, that the Warriors 2024 pick going to Boston is only top 4 protected IIRC... so Boston could potentially be getting a top 15/20 pick in the next draft.

Let's see how it goes, Boston are still a very strong team obviously, definitely top 5.

As for Washington, they basically sold Porzingis for pennies. Couldn't they get at least ONE 1st round pick for him, along with a better player than Tyus Jones? Come on.

I like Jones, but let's be honest here, if he's your starting PG, then you have like the 27th best starting PG in the league, for God's sake.

Plus, he's due for a huge payday next season. Will Washington want him on the payroll for like 25/year for the next 4 years, while they are rebuiding?

What's interesting for me, though, is to see if they are drafting a PG tonight. Curious to see which path they take.

[hoosierdaddy34]

As a fan of the other team when playing against Marcus Smart, I never really cared much about him being on the Celtics. I knew for every great defensive play he made, he was going to force something and take a bad shot or turn it over and give it right back. It always felt like just wait, he will do something that will help us. So I never understood the “he’s a winning player” narrative around him. But apparently Memphis bought in big time. But having Ja and Smart out they’re trying to shoot the ball in the playoffs is going to be tough sledding against elite defenses. I understand moving the picks for an upgrade but I would have waited on a better player than Smart.

[payton2kemp]

You guys are in no position to talk trash. Failed to make the finals, when the game was there for the taking. Went down 0-3, nearly lost to the Sixers, except for Tatum having one otherworldly game. The Celtics made a move that could help, but overall, they are taking a lot of risk with injury. Not to mention, Tatum is still inconsistent in the playoffs, and Jaylen Brown is about to become the most overpaid star in the league, with the largest contract. That contract becomes untradeable the moment he puts pen to paper. He still can't go to his left, and was being outplayed by Caleb Martin. You got rid of someone who was the heart of the team, and still have Brown who is not a good fit.

Bisme37, anything I'm saying that's not true? This is everything you guys said on the post series threads. Plenty of Celtics fans believe it. I give Boston credit for making moves. Brad Stevens is able to fleece teams. Overall the fit works if they're healthy, but it doesn't solve the bigger issues of players coming up small in the playoffs. Jaylen Brown isn't going to change, and is about to have the worst contract in the league. There are 5 players in the league worth that contract and Brown is not one of them.

Looking for a genuine response. You and I have good conversations, so I'm interested to get your take here, where am I completely off base?

If you think the Celtics are so terrible I wonder what you think of the Sixers who are worse than the Celtics.

[Drakeem]

Absolutely MASSIVE win for Boston (although I think every team got what they wanted, win/win/win). Not only do you get the biggest talent involved, but those two first rounders can go towards getting another quality player. Even if zinger doesn't work out, add one of your own picks and now you're in the OG/Murray/etc convo as far as the trade market. Great move.

[Walmart]

Brutal, if you're Washington why don't you just take Smart over Tyus Jones?

What does a tanking team want with a 29 year old Marcus Smart?

He is worth more than Tyus Jones ever will be.

[bisme37]

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[stoo]

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[spanishninja]

I'm writing this because the mods sent me a PM telling they wanted to read my analysis, so here it is:

I was very surprised with this trade.

I thought Smart was gonna retire a Celtic, he was really their soul and played hard all game long, albeit with his limitations.

Now Memphis is probably thinking that trading for Smart is going to help set their culture around Ja (also letting Dillon go).

I don't know if I like Porzingis going for Boston though... love him as a player, but he's always been inconsistent and misses a lot of time with injuries as well, despite having an All-Star caliber season this season.

Actually Boston is in a conundrum here: they pay so much to Tatum/Brown that if they try to improve their big rotation, their guard rotation will suffer. It's like choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

Worth mentioning, too, that the Warriors 2024 pick going to Boston is only top 4 IIRC... so Boston could potentially be getting a top 15/20 pick in the next draft.

Let's see how it goes, Boston are still a very strong team obviously, definitely top 5.

As for Washington, they basically sold Porzingis for pennies. Couldn't they get at least ONE 1st round pick for him, along with a better player than Tyus Jones? Come on.

I like Jones, but let's be honest here, if he's your starting PG, then you have like the 27th best starting PG in the league, for God's sake.

Plus, he's due for a huge payday next season. Will Washington want him on the payroll for like 25/year for the next 4 years, while they are rebuiding?

What's interesting for me, though, is to see if they are drafting a PG tonight. Curious to see which path they take.

to me it's a sign of the times. you can truly want to stay with one team your whole career, but there are a ton of factors totally outside your control that can keep that from happening.

[Asianiac_24]

I’m surprised the Wizards can’t even get a pick for Porzingis

[Mamba81p]

Sometimes I wonder if people watch games. Smart was awful defensively in the playoffs. Missing assignments left and right. Derrick White needs to start and this is going to be great for the Celtics. They just need a vocal leader and someone to bring energy to the team when they fell asleep.

[SlovenianDragon]

Sometimes I wonder if people watch games. Smart was awful defensively in the playoffs. Missing assignments left and right. Derrick White needs to start and this is going to be great for the Celtics. They just need a vocal leader and someone to bring energy to the team when they fell asleep.

Smart is pretty bad all around. His defense isnt as good as people think and his offense is hot garbage. Dudes gunna get exposed for what he rly is in Memphis. Especially with Ja missing 25 games...That grizz team is gunna be tough to watch next year.

[Statlanta]

Tyus is better than Marcus and Porzingis is oft-injured. The Celtics traded chemistry to upgrade Grant Williams spot.

Could be a championship level Boston move or a 2014 Indiana Pacers move that destroys the team from within. Wizards are just shuffling the chairs on the titanic.

[SlovenianDragon]

Tyus is better than Marcus and Porzingis is oft-injured. The Celtics traded chemistry to upgrade Grant Williams spot.

Could be a championship level Boston move or a 2014 Indiana Pacers move that destroys the team from within. Wizards are just shuffling the chairs on the titanic.

Tyus was great when Ja went down...started 22 games and averaged 16/8 on 50/42/78....Smart is a huge down grade...

With Ja being out the first 25 games they could go 0-25....Even when Ja comes back smart and ja playing together would put up some awful shooting nights.

Grizz are a lottery team next year.

[Ito]

The 2 picks are nice but what KP gon bring to the table for the Celtics they already have Al horford they just got worse defensively even doe everytime I watch a Celtics game Smart out there taking bad shots I must have missed when Smart became a big offensive threat