RGM GOAT Debate Thread

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Who Is officially the all time goat!? Only have 10 slots Poll. 2024/5 season

Jordan
369
63%
Lebron
123
21%
B. Russell
21
4%
Kobe
10
2%
Kareem
16
3%
Magic
3
1%
Jokic
13
2%
Curry
9
2%
Duncan
8
1%
Other Insert comment goat debate
14
2%
 
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Re: Is LeBron using the Olympics to get the GOAT stamp? 

Post#381 » by Heat3 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:23 pm

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Heat3 wrote:Definitely done to pad his stats in the legacy department. He’s not going to he the GOAT though. By the time people forget MJ, someone else will get pushed to take the spot.

So LeBron is playing in the Olympics for his country to pad his…Olympic stats?

That’s really what you’re going with and you don’t think that sounds a little ridiculous? lol cmon


Lebron is going to add gold medals to his legacy. How is that ridiculous? Thats the stat pad. After 2012 he stopped going to olympics. Those medals didn’t matter much when he was competing for NBA titles. Them days are over so an olympic gold medal is what he can add to his legacy.

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LeBron James - LeGlorious (Michael Jordan Diss) 

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Re: LeBron James - LeGlorious (Michael Jordan Diss) 

Post#383 » by Dez » Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:09 am

Nothing in the world could make me click that video.
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Re: LeBron James - LeGlorious (Michael Jordan Diss) 

Post#384 » by Sofia » Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:17 am

Dez wrote:Nothing in the world could make me click that video.

I would rather cut my own face off and use it as a tortilla than watch that video
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Re: LeBron James - LeGlorious (Michael Jordan Diss) 

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Re: LeBron James - LeGlorious (Michael Jordan Diss) 

Post#386 » by SkyBill40 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:44 am

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Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#387 » by ScrantonBulls » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:34 am

I'm not talking about making their teammates better by giving them assist like Magic or anything. See the thought provoking post below about what I mean - specifically the bolded.

bledredwine wrote:

That's a really unusual take. Jordan impacted both ends of the floor as much as anyone.

And more than Hakeem, Lebron, or anyone you mentioned, Jordan held the teammates accountable,
holding them to a very high standard and turning practices into wars, which made games easy-
this has been said by multiple players, from Scottie to BJ, Grant etc.


To say he didn't have a multitude of impact is wild. And when he played point for the Bulls? He averaged near a 32 point triple double during the season while only playing PG for a portion of it. In 1991? He averaged 32.5, 11.4 (3rd highest finals assists of all time behind Russell and Magic) with awesome defense.

There was not much else if anything he could have done to be impactful.

This is why Jordan and Scottie 3-peated twice with two different supporting casts, and Pippen himself stated that Jordan's push made him the player he became (Jordan used to have Pippen guard him during practice when he was young in the league)

The only players that holds others accountable like that whom you mentioned is probably Duncan or Hakeem to an extent, but nearly the same extent as Jordan.

Either way, I appreciate you acknowledging that. Lebron's are impressive as well.

It's been said that no player had the off court impact on his teammates like MJ did.

- He had.twammates accountable like you wouldn't believe. Nobody held teammates more accountable than MJ did.
- He made practices ALL OUT WAR. Per bledredwine's post, this games simple. Games were a walk in the park after to into battle with MJ during practice. Those must have been intense practices.

More than any other player, you hear? How much Pippen benefited from practicing against Jordan. How do you think he became a GOAT wing defender? Practicing against Jordan. He may not have become the all-star player he was without Jordan to play against.

The question is simple. Did any players have the off court impact on teammates that MJ had?
bledredwine wrote:There were 3 times Jordan won and was considered the underdog

1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#388 » by Onlytimewilltel » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:52 am

ScrantonBulls wrote:I'm not talking about making their teammates better by giving them assist like Magic or anything. See the thought provoking post below about what I mean - specifically the bolded.

bledredwine wrote:

That's a really unusual take. Jordan impacted both ends of the floor as much as anyone.

And more than Hakeem, Lebron, or anyone you mentioned, Jordan held the teammates accountable,
holding them to a very high standard and turning practices into wars, which made games easy-
this has been said by multiple players, from Scottie to BJ, Grant etc.


To say he didn't have a multitude of impact is wild. And when he played point for the Bulls? He averaged near a 32 point triple double during the season while only playing PG for a portion of it. In 1991? He averaged 32.5, 11.4 (3rd highest finals assists of all time behind Russell and Magic) with awesome defense.

There was not much else if anything he could have done to be impactful.

This is why Jordan and Scottie 3-peated twice with two different supporting casts, and Pippen himself stated that Jordan's push made him the player he became (Jordan used to have Pippen guard him during practice when he was young in the league)

The only players that holds others accountable like that whom you mentioned is probably Duncan or Hakeem to an extent, but nearly the same extent as Jordan.

Either way, I appreciate you acknowledging that. Lebron's are impressive as well.

It's been said that no player had the off court impact on his teammates like MJ did.

- He had.twammates accountable like you wouldn't believe. Nobody held teammates more accountable than MJ did.
- He made practices ALL OUT WAR. Per bledredwine's post, this games simple. Games were a walk in the park after to into battle with MJ during practice. Those must have been intense practices.

More than any other player, you hear? How much Pippen benefited from practicing against Jordan. How do you think he became a GOAT wing defender? Practicing against Jordan. He may not have become the all-star player he was without Jordan to play against.

The question is simple. Did any players have the off court impact on teammates that MJ had?


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Re: LeBron James - LeGlorious (Michael Jordan Diss) 

Post#389 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:57 am

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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#390 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:07 am

For all your needs on Kobe Talk as the goat OR Top 10,15,20 where ever you want to rank him, this Video Is actually really good.

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Post#391 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:05 am

This guy Is actually good with his videos.

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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#392 » by CodeBreaker » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:56 am

Peak Jokic is the best basketball player I've ever seen
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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#393 » by Lalouie » Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:57 am

ScrantonBulls wrote:I'm not talking about making their teammates better by giving them assist like Magic or anything. See the thought provoking post below about what I mean - specifically the bolded.

bledredwine wrote:

That's a really unusual take. Jordan impacted both ends of the floor as much as anyone.

And more than Hakeem, Lebron, or anyone you mentioned, Jordan held the teammates accountable,
holding them to a very high standard and turning practices into wars, which made games easy-
this has been said by multiple players, from Scottie to BJ, Grant etc.


To say he didn't have a multitude of impact is wild. And when he played point for the Bulls? He averaged near a 32 point triple double during the season while only playing PG for a portion of it. In 1991? He averaged 32.5, 11.4 (3rd highest finals assists of all time behind Russell and Magic) with awesome defense.

There was not much else if anything he could have done to be impactful.

This is why Jordan and Scottie 3-peated twice with two different supporting casts, and Pippen himself stated that Jordan's push made him the player he became (Jordan used to have Pippen guard him during practice when he was young in the league)

The only players that holds others accountable like that whom you mentioned is probably Duncan or Hakeem to an extent, but nearly the same extent as Jordan.

Either way, I appreciate you acknowledging that. Lebron's are impressive as well.

It's been said that no player had the off court impact on his teammates like MJ did.

- He had.twammates accountable like you wouldn't believe. Nobody held teammates more accountable than MJ did.
- He made practices ALL OUT WAR. Per bledredwine's post, this games simple. Games were a walk in the park after to into battle with MJ during practice. Those must have been intense practices.

More than any other player, you hear? How much Pippen benefited from practicing against Jordan. How do you think he became a GOAT wing defender? Practicing against Jordan. He may not have become the all-star player he was without Jordan to play against.

The question is simple. Did any players have the off court impact on teammates that MJ had?



"making teammates better" is in and of itself a specious assertion, but when you stretch it by adding what you parenthesized, it becomes even more difficult.

as in how are you going to back this up.
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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#394 » by CobraCommander » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:09 am

Onlytimewilltel wrote:
ScrantonBulls wrote:I'm not talking about making their teammates better by giving them assist like Magic or anything. See the thought provoking post below about what I mean - specifically the bolded.

bledredwine wrote:

That's a really unusual take. Jordan impacted both ends of the floor as much as anyone.

And more than Hakeem, Lebron, or anyone you mentioned, Jordan held the teammates accountable,
holding them to a very high standard and turning practices into wars, which made games easy-
this has been said by multiple players, from Scottie to BJ, Grant etc.


To say he didn't have a multitude of impact is wild. And when he played point for the Bulls? He averaged near a 32 point triple double during the season while only playing PG for a portion of it. In 1991? He averaged 32.5, 11.4 (3rd highest finals assists of all time behind Russell and Magic) with awesome defense.

There was not much else if anything he could have done to be impactful.

This is why Jordan and Scottie 3-peated twice with two different supporting casts, and Pippen himself stated that Jordan's push made him the player he became (Jordan used to have Pippen guard him during practice when he was young in the league)

The only players that holds others accountable like that whom you mentioned is probably Duncan or Hakeem to an extent, but nearly the same extent as Jordan.

Either way, I appreciate you acknowledging that. Lebron's are impressive as well.

It's been said that no player had the off court impact on his teammates like MJ did.

- He had.twammates accountable like you wouldn't believe. Nobody held teammates more accountable than MJ did.
- He made practices ALL OUT WAR. Per bledredwine's post, this games simple. Games were a walk in the park after to into battle with MJ during practice. Those must have been intense practices.

More than any other player, you hear? How much Pippen benefited from practicing against Jordan. How do you think he became a GOAT wing defender? Practicing against Jordan. He may not have become the all-star player he was without Jordan to play against.

The question is simple. Did any players have the off court impact on teammates that MJ had?


Dwight Howard and Jason Collins

https://www.businessinsider.com/jason-collins-stats-role-player-dwight-howard-stopper-2013-4?amp

I think it’s the other way around tho -

Jason was big enough to keep Dwight from going hard to the hole. Im sure he had an impact on him off the court after all their battles
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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#395 » by Clay Davis » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:16 am

We talking about practice?!



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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#396 » by dirkdiggler4177 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:46 am

I think the Kobe and MJ attitude can work really well with some players. If you have ever worked with someone who is incredibly good at their job and works hard and sets high expectations you can end up working really hard yourself because there is no BS and you can see the clear goal. Think of JR Smith with LeBron. There is no fu**ing around. If I (JR) follow this dude 100% I can become a champion. Compared to for example Melo. On the other hand, it can really throw some people off. It's like Steve Jobs. He was a horrible guy to work for, but the best of the best wanted to work for him because he was the best. I think the Nvidia CEO is in the same category. Meanwhile, without having a clue, I think it will suck to work for Elon Musk if he is not focused on what you are working on. Taking ill-informed decisions and being reckless because of too much confidence. But in his prime years I think it was awesome.
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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#397 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:03 am

This is getting embarrassing now
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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#398 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:11 pm

zimpy27 wrote:This is getting embarrassing now


lol yep and It's not even close to being the actual NBA season yet :lol:
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Re: Did any players make their teammates better as much as MJ did? (Via practice, accountability, etc) 

Post#399 » by MavsDirk41 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:15 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:This is getting embarrassing now


lol yep and It's not even close to being the actual NBA season yet :lol:



Nfl season kicks off in 5 weeks….something to look forward to until the end of October
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Post#400 » by Homer38 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:41 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:
SlimShady83 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:This is getting embarrassing now


lol yep and It's not even close to being the actual NBA season yet :lol:



Nfl season kicks off in 5 weeks….something to look forward to until the end of October


I always look forward at how bad the cowboys will choke in january!

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