Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE

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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#41 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:02 pm

now and 4 life wrote:They traded Garnett for that?


Yeah, that trade was a complete bust. At least the Grizz got Marc Gasol in the Pau trade.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#42 » by Legendary 33 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:02 pm

good pickup for the Jazz
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#43 » by Banks2Pierce » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:02 pm

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Banks2Pierce wrote:Jefferson may very well be better than Boozer.


No, he really isn't. Boozer is a much more efficient scorer, a better passer, a better pick and roll player, a better rebounder, has a much better jumper and he's actually a better defender. The only advantage Jefferson has is inefficient post scoring.

Jefferson really isn't a great fit for the Jazz. He's never been good in the pick and roll. His whole game is the left block.


Seems you don't know Al Jefferson well enough. He's going to be legit playing in a system where he can't get doubled on the low block and has a good pg. Boozer is probably a better passer, but that's all I'm giving you. Jefferson can guard 4's very well, but he hasn't had that opportunity much in the last 2 seasons.

He's never been good in the pick and roll....who's been his past pick and roll teammate? Jonny Flynn?He's got hands, a jumper, quickness, and a soft touch. How will that not work in a pick and roll?
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#44 » by AJ Valliant » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:02 pm

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funkatron101 wrote:Seriously Kahn can't win here.

All season you guys bash Al as a blackhole, defensive liability stat-padder who won't get any value. Now that he is on the brink of getting traded for more value than what many proposed, he's the 20/10 low-post stud that the Wolves fans have been saying all along.

Make up your damn minds people.


Kahn did fine. Jefferson had **** value for a reason.


Because Khan openly shopped him while his value was low?
Because Khan stocked the roster with PF's so it was obvious they needed to move him?

Why not trade him before bringing over Pekovic and signing Darko...and why not keep quiet about so you don't weaken your bargaining position?

Savey GM'ing right there. How can you guys defend this clown (Khan)?
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#45 » by sabi » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:04 pm

when Al was in Minnesota he was viewed as an inefficient scorer who couldn't pass out of double teams, especially after he got injured. Now people quickly forget about that and start overrating him all over again. He might be better in Utah as a second option then he was in Minny as a first option but I would take Love over Jefferson pretty easily. There's a reason why Minny couldn't get value for him.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#46 » by memgrizzlies » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:06 pm

Khan strikes again!
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#47 » by slick_watts » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:06 pm

sabi wrote:when Al was in Minnesota he was viewed as an inefficient scorer who couldn't pass out of double teams, especially after he got injured. Now people quickly forget about that and start overrating him all over again. He might be better in Utah as a second option then he was in Minny as a first option but I would take Love over Jefferson pretty easily. There's a reason why Minny couldn't get value for him.


I agree with this. Jefferson is better than nothing but he's not as good as Boozer, especially in that offense. He's a poor midrange shooter, doens't do well in PnR, doesn't pass, and his defense is mediocre. Are the Jazz really going to dump the ball into Jefferson 12-15 times a game and watch him go one on one? That's not their offense.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#48 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:07 pm

Palmeirense wrote:So basically the Jazz traded Boozer + Korver for Jeff.

And minn is left with nothing. WTF is Kahn thinking?


In the end it's more like:

Jazz traded Boozer, Korver, Brewer and a future 1st for Jefferson, Hayward, and (possibly) Mathews

Jefferson can play center, and allows us to finally start PF, improving our defense overnight. We save money too, and aren't tied up to Boozer for 5 years.

Hayward costs half of what Korver does, and he's got more skill sets.

Trading away Brewer last year provided cap relief last year, helped us get Jefferson, and can help us get a replacement for Brewer, possibly helps us match Mathews, or acquire a similar player through trade.

The future first isn't a big deal, and in the end keeps us away from the luxury tax threshold. Seriously who would we get in the 20-25th pick range anyways?
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#49 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:07 pm

This is the trade of the summer. It could be one of the trade of the decade just in terms of presence and impact. I could see Deron and Jefferson being linked together forever

Wouldn't be surprised if Jefferson went from one of the least efficient high volume guys to one of the most. He's going to have a ton of space and a great PG, as opposed to no space and no PG. Kevin McHale used to put up .65 TS% years because he had the paint wide open and Bird feeding him. Jefferson's going to have an open paint and Deron, and with a great coach and system too

Unbelievable move by the Jazz. Like with teams like the Spurs and Lakers always seeming to make the right picks like Blair and Ebanks, this is why the succesful franchises tend to stay succesful
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#50 » by Basileus777 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:08 pm

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Banks2Pierce wrote:Jefferson may very well be better than Boozer.


No, he really isn't. Boozer is a much more efficient scorer, a better passer, a better pick and roll player, a better rebounder, has a much better jumper and he's actually a better defender. The only advantage Jefferson has is inefficient post scoring.

Jefferson really isn't a great fit for the Jazz. He's never been good in the pick and roll. His whole game is the left block.


Seems you don't know Al Jefferson well enough. He's going to be legit playing in a system where he can't get doubled on the low block and has a good pg. Boozer is probably a better passer, but that's all I'm giving you. Jefferson can guard 4's very well, but he hasn't had that opportunity much in the last 2 seasons.

He's never been good in the pick and roll....who's been his past pick and roll teammate? Jonny Flynn?He's got hands, a jumper, quickness, and a soft touch. How will that not work in a pick and roll?


I don't know Jefferson very well? What did I say that wasn't true? Sorry if I'm not a Celtics fan with an emotional attachment to him.

Jefferson isn't a good pick and roll player because he has a poor jump shot (that he takes way too much) and doesn't finish well in traffic. Teams will still double him on the post because he is a terrible passer, he doesn't have anyone to blame but himself there.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#51 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:09 pm

Al's probably doing Tiger Woods fistpumps right now btw. From Minny to Utah, wow.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#52 » by Rendezvous » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:11 pm

****..

Minnesota should get a few more 1st round picks.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#53 » by some_rand » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:12 pm

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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#54 » by JordansBulls » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:13 pm

darth_federer wrote:
Wolves to trade Jefferson to Jazz for future 1st rd pick, 1st rd pick from Mem in Brewer trade and a trade exception, Y! Sports has learned.


http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/18452999790

Damn, what a freaking steal for the Jazz. T Wolves could have done better


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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#55 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:15 pm

Gotta love how Michael Beasley, a player almost every team in the league refused to take for nothing, is now a team's 1st option.

Minnesota... Welcome. To the Michael Beasley era!!!
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#56 » by Chosen01 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:21 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Gotta love how Michael Beasley, a player almost every team in the league refused to take for nothing, is now a team's 1st option.

Minnesota... Welcome. To the Michael Beasley era!!!


The guy avg 15 and 6 as the 3rd option, I'd love to see what he avgs on a lottery team, 1st option.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#57 » by Wolves21 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:23 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Gotta love how Michael Beasley, a player almost every team in the league refused to take for nothing, is now a team's 1st option.

Minnesota... Welcome. To the Michael Beasley era!!!


I am not real worried about the Michael Beasley era sesne I think he could be a near 20/10 if give the playing time and time to devlop.I worried about how the Wolves are putting on their chips on the table and are all in on Rikie Rubio being Magic Johnson 2.0
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#58 » by LApwnd » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:24 pm

Chosen01 wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:Gotta love how Michael Beasley, a player almost every team in the league refused to take for nothing, is now a team's 1st option.

Minnesota... Welcome. To the Michael Beasley era!!!


The guy avg 15 and 6 as the 3rd option, I'd love to see what he avgs on a lottery team, 1st option.


even less cause now there isnt' a Dwade to take attention away from him, and how is he the 3rd option? So he didn't even outplay Oneal/Haslem?
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#59 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:28 pm

This is how I look at it:

Offense:
Jefferson (post/back to defender) / Okur (some post/3pt range) / Koufos (put backs)
Millsap (post/midrange)
Kirilenko (put backs/cuts/fast breaks) / Hayward (3pt range/fast breaks)
Miles (dunks/3pt range)
Williams (complete offensive game) / Price (fast breaks/layups/dunks)

The Jazz are one of the most efficient offensive teams, with guys like Millsap, Hayward, Miles, and Williams he doesn't have to concern himself of midrange nor outside shots. If those guys aren't hitting shots, we can put in Okur for an offensive spark off the bench. Millsap has a very good mid range shot, not as automatic as Boozer yet, but I believe it's getting there.

On defense, while Al may not have exhibited much yet, he could improve, he's just 25, and Millsap is going to be able to guard the best big too, unless it's a 7 footer, in which case we will have to put some faith in Jefferson, but how many 7fts post a BIG threat on offense now anyways? Yao and Dirk? Duncan is not such a big deal anymore IMO, he's probably going to be in the 16-18ppg range, we can live with him getting 16-20ppg against us. The Jazz's number one concern was the Lakers, and Jefferson gives the Lakers problems, while Boozer was completely ineffective versus the Lakers.
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Re: Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE 

Post#60 » by boomann21 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:30 pm

Vincent 666 wrote:So the Wolves traded KG for 2 1st round picks.

That trade was worse than the Gasol one.


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