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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#41 » by Fitz303 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:01 am

RipCityLives wrote:People who follow basketball know that Rudy Fernandez killed an All-Superstar Team USA in the Olympic Games. And people who follow basketball know that Rudy Fernandez is a talented player.


He played them twice and he averaged 15 ppg 3 rpg and 2.5 apg.. I wouldnt consider that killing them. Especially considering Spain lost both games.

I never said that Rudy wasnt a talented player. But he sure as hell is not on the level of someone like Carmelo Anthony, or anyone else on that level
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#42 » by Teddy Bruckshut » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:44 am

Gives the Knicks a shooter in case they can strike a deal for Melo, which would obviously include Gallo.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#43 » by Superanto » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:49 am

Rudy is a very talented player who needs a chance to take over a larger role than being just a shooter. He doesn't have the physical tools to be on Ginobili's level IMO, and certainly not on Carmelo's. In D'Antoni's system he could average something like 15-4-4, which is pretty good for a 3rd or 4th option.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#44 » by ahonui06 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:56 am

Since RipCityLives is a blatant Blazer homer/Fernandez slurper lets do some per 36 minutes analysis between Carmelo Anthony and Rudy Fernandez (since Rudy is too much of a scrub to play the actual 36 like Carmelo)

I also took the liberty to highlight who outperformed who in which category

Rudy Fernandez: 37.8 FG%, 36.8 3PT%, 86.7 FT%, 4.1TRB, 3.2AST, 1.5 STL, 0.3BLK, 12.6PTS

Carmelo Anthony: 45.8 FG%, 31.6 3PT%, 83 FT%, 6.2TRB, 3AST, 1.2STL, 0.4BLK, 26.6PTS

So, Rudy is a better shooter from the perimeter and from the free throw line while Carmelo has a better FG% overall and is obviously a much more prolific scorer. Neither are the greatest pure shooters in the NBA, which RipCity mentioned earlier.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#45 » by bigkevatoz » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:21 am

back to the topic...

I rate chandler higher than rudy...but it makes sense for the knicks to let him go if they wanna chase Melo.
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Post#46 » by YounG_A » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:24 am

that's a very reliable source.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#47 » by Hangtime84 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:25 am

HeyJoe wrote:i told you he's rudy's cousin

or from spain
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If the Bulls do, you would be complaining to much to ever hear it.


NBA fan logic we need to trade one of two best players because (Player X) one needs to shine more.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#48 » by bigkevatoz » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:30 am

Hangtime84 wrote:
HeyJoe wrote:i told you he's rudy's cousin

or from spain


or his gay lover
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#49 » by Scalabrine » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:35 am

Flash3 wrote:So, now does Rudy become their 2 by default? I thought Chandler was going to be an integral piece in possibly getting them Melo, why give it up for Rudy? :dontknow:


It could be a similar situation to "the Decision". If the doors open for Melo, and Chandler is a part of that then we obviously dont get Rudy. But if it doesnt work out, just like the Golden State deal, we have another deal in our pocket. We dont have to force this one, I cant see them getting a better deal, also Rudy Fernandez is just as valuable in a trade as Chandler right now depending on the team.

I love Chandler, he plays both ends of the court hard, and for a 3/4 spot 2 he doesnt do anything terribly, and he isnt selfish (hes really too unselfish). A great, young, versatile, role player, with potential to get better. Two reasons why trading him makes sense though:

- Like I said, hes a 3/4 with the ability to get spot minutes at the 2, we need him to be a 2, and while hes still a good player at that position...its not his position. Rudy is a 2, spot 1, that can shoot (apparently he thinks he can do other things too), which is more important then another 3 for this team (Fields and Walker can get minutes if we really need it).
- Chandlers contract is up. We either have to give him an extension or were gonna have to let him walk for nothing. I dont think we want to do either right now, so we will trade him for another rookie deal with potential.

I didnt like the move when I first read it, but it does make sense. I will still root for Chandler if he goes. Hes a class guy that plays the game the right way.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#50 » by Flash3 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:12 am

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Flash3 wrote:So, now does Rudy become their 2 by default? I thought Chandler was going to be an integral piece in possibly getting them Melo, why give it up for Rudy? :dontknow:



The Melo trade is up in the air / no guarantees.

Maybe Denver swings a deal with Jersey for young talent and draft picks and Maybe Melo takes it and signs the 3 year extention because it's 65 million.

Maybe NY offers Denver Curry/Gallo and 2 dozen first round picks (I'm exagerating a bit) and gets Melo this year.

or, maybe, Melo waits for free agency, in which case, NY could offer a resigned Chandler and a couple picks as stuff to swap for a resigned Melo.

But holding onto Chandler so you can trade him for Melo doesn't make that much sense. It also means that NY could lose Chandler for nothing.

I still have mixed feelings on this trade. I think Chandler's a versitile, valuable player.


I just don't see the true value added of Rudy on this current team offensive and defensively when you're comparing him to Chandler. Chandler's versatility and size is going to be an asset when he's playing a team like Miami who has 2 swingmen he can match-up with or Orlando with VC and Lewis, just 2 teams in the East NY will have to match-up with if they want to contend.

I view Rudy more as an ideal 6th man like Manu from SA. But, Rudy may excel in the up/down open-court offense under D'Antoni, from which I then see the logic.
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Post#51 » by NYK 455 » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:47 am

If true, meh. Rudy may be the better fit, but I think Wilson is more talented.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#52 » by WillVanderbilt » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:53 am

As much as I'd like him on the Bulls, I feel like the Knicks are the team. I can see him fitting in really well as New York is a team right now looking for an identity and looking for someone to step up and establish themself as the "owner" of the team. Obviously all eyes are on Amare, but who's to say Gallo doesn't become Nowitzki or Felton doesn't become Nash? (Green text not needed, I'm figuratively speaking) Rudy could disrupt the culture on Chicago or Boston because they have an established identity, but he could fit in pretty well on a Knick team that might forge an identity around him, not in spite of him.

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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#53 » by Storm Surge » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:04 am

uhhh wtf are the knicks doing? Portland has no leverage whatsoever in a rudy trade, any good GM should see that and offer them nothing but scrubs for him.

Then NYK comes in and offers Wilson Chandler, a dude that averaged 15 ppg last year for him.

I don't care if the Knicks were not intending to sign him again anyway, that's just bad GMing. They should have offered Bill Walker and a 2nd round pick, if Portland declines then tell them to enjoy seeing Rudy play in Europe next year.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#54 » by theDEATH » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:22 am

RipCityLives wrote:
ahonui06 wrote:Comparing Rudy Fernandez's situation to Pau Gasol's situation is downright comical.

If Gasol never joins LA he would have been remembered as a player level Okur or something like that. Okur was 1time all star. Fernandez is one of the best shooting guards Europe has ever seen. He will make an impact like Manu Ginobili did for the San Antonio Spurs, but he'll be underrated just like Manu always was.

Pau Gasol joins the Lakers and the NBA pretty much riots. If Okur was traded to the Lakers, everyone would just shrug their shoulders and move on with life. Now, say again that Pau Gasol was ever treated as if he were on the same level as Okur? I dare you.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#55 » by Promezclan » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:02 am

Rudy Fernandez PER last season: 13.1 (#36 among SGs)
Pau Gasol PER the season before he was traded: 24.2 (#2 among PFs)

Gasol was one of the very best players in the league, while Rudy is a useless liability.

Then again,
Wilson Chandler's PER last season was 13.7, the peak of his career.

So the whole trade is about as exciting as those old debates on the ESPN boards between Marcus Banks and Luke Ridnour.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#56 » by Luv those Knicks » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:33 am

Storm Surge wrote:uhhh wtf are the knicks doing? Portland has no leverage whatsoever in a rudy trade, any good GM should see that and offer them nothing but scrubs for him.

Then NYK comes in and offers Wilson Chandler, a dude that averaged 15 ppg last year for him.

I don't care if the Knicks were not intending to sign him again anyway, that's just bad GMing. They should have offered Bill Walker and a 2nd round pick, if Portland declines then tell them to enjoy seeing Rudy play in Europe next year.



Actually, that's not true.

Portland could lose Rudy for nothing.

BUT, if Chicago offers Portland a first round pick, and a 3rd team offers Portland a first round pick all of a sudden, Portland has some leverage.

Depends on Rudy too. If Rudy will only go to NYK, then Portland loses some leverage but if he's OK with going to Chicago, then NY has to beat Chicago's offer.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#57 » by Luv those Knicks » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:36 am

Promezclan wrote:Rudy Fernandez PER last season: 13.1 (#36 among SGs)
Pau Gasol PER the season before he was traded: 24.2 (#2 among PFs)

Gasol was one of the very best players in the league, while Rudy is a useless liability.

Then again,
Wilson Chandler's PER last season was 13.7, the peak of his career.

So the whole trade is about as exciting as those old debates on the ESPN boards between Marcus Banks and Luke Ridnour.



Wilson plays defense.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#58 » by GotItNow » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:06 am

HeyJoe wrote:i told you he's rudy's cousin


Maybe he's Rudy himself? :wink:
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#59 » by #1 pick » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:27 am

Rudy is Manu lite. No superstar but he has talent.
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Re: Rudy to Knicks close to deal 

Post#60 » by Red n Yellow » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:57 am

Luv those Knicks wrote:
Promezclan wrote:Rudy Fernandez PER last season: 13.1 (#36 among SGs)
Pau Gasol PER the season before he was traded: 24.2 (#2 among PFs)

Gasol was one of the very best players in the league, while Rudy is a useless liability.

Then again,
Wilson Chandler's PER last season was 13.7, the peak of his career.

So the whole trade is about as exciting as those old debates on the ESPN boards between Marcus Banks and Luke Ridnour.



Wilson plays defense.


Knicks dont play defense.

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