Is the experiment in Miami is failing?

tidho · Post #41 » by **tidho** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:56 pm

They aren't living up to unrealistic expectations. :-?

There are some very real issues with how their talents mesh, but because they seem so willing to sacrifice for the greater good, I can't imagine it will be a problem to pull things together.

nonemus · Post #42 » by **nonemus** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:58 pm

tidho wrote:They aren't living up to unrealistic expectations.

There are some very real issues with how their talents mesh, but because they seem so willing to sacrifice for the greater good, I can't imagine it will be a problem to pull things together.

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Hangtime84 · Post #43 » by **Hangtime84** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:00 pm

No Offense wrote:As premature as this thread is, one thing is for certain: If the Heat fail in the playoffs, we will not hold back and shove it in their face.

+1

Wavy Q · Post #44 » by **Wavy Q** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:00 pm

Even if the sky is fallin down.

Downnnnnnnnn Downnnnnnnnn

bruddahmanmatt · Post #45 » by **bruddahmanmatt** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:01 pm

Chosen01 wrote:You obviously don't know how to read PROPERLY, I wasn't giving any excuses on heat losing, I already said Heat need to take these games as they are and learn from them.Point is in the 3 heat losses they had a very good chance to winm your basically ranting on what everyone knew before the season started about the heats weaknesses.But then again obviously every loss is like fap material for guys even if they only played 8 games and lost the last two by a total of 5, so enjoy it.

You're attempting to downplay Miami's losses by pointing out that their opposition only beat them by "slim margins" and that "it's only eight games into the season". My point is that the manner in which your team has been worked in their three losses is consistent across the board. If you wanna be nonchalant about it that's entirely your choice. I'm not saying that it's the end of the world if you're a Heat fan, I'm simply saying that the problem is real and if continue to close your eyes and act like "it ain't no thang", you're in a for a real dose of reality a few months from now.

Hangtime84 · Post #46 » by **Hangtime84** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:01 pm

tidho wrote:They aren't living up to unrealistic expectations.

There are some very real issues with how their talents mesh, but because they seem so willing to sacrifice for the greater good, I can't imagine it will be a problem to pull things together.

lebron also made the "this gonna be easy" claim and the "6+ championships" as well

bruddahmanmatt · Post #47 » by **bruddahmanmatt** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:02 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
tidho wrote:They aren't living up to unrealistic expectations.

There are some very real issues with how their talents mesh, but because they seem so willing to sacrifice for the greater good, I can't imagine it will be a problem to pull things together.

lebron also made the "this gonna be easy" claim and the "6+ championships" as well

Actually I believe it was "8+" as he went up to "not seven" in his little speech. :rofl:

IEcelticfan · Post #48 » by **IEcelticfan** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:04 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:Why are people still saying the Heat don't have a bench. House, Z, Jones, Haslem have played great for the roles they're asked to do, and they're having Miller come back in 2 months. What they need is a better C, not a better bench.

as in coach or centre ?

Shabetta · Post #49 » by **Shabetta** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:08 pm

God there are some dumb people here.........Yeah the Heat are doomed, you can usually tell after only 8 games :roll:

Oh and Chris Paul is god again this year, Milsap is a top 5 player, Kobe's better than Jordan, the Lakers won't lose this year, Lebron is washed up, Durant is MVP..........

nonemus · Post #50 » by **nonemus** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:11 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:
tidho wrote:They aren't living up to unrealistic expectations.

There are some very real issues with how their talents mesh, but because they seem so willing to sacrifice for the greater good, I can't imagine it will be a problem to pull things together.

lebron also made the "this gonna be easy" claim and the "6+ championships" as well

Actually I believe it was "8+" as he went up to "not seven" in his little speech.

Yeah, I guess they don't get the 2-week championship trophy. The NBA gives those out right? Oh wait...

menofvalor · Post #51 » by **menofvalor** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:11 pm

now and 4 life wrote:Great teams never lose 3 games in a season.

GoLakers2011 · Post #52 » by **GoLakers2011** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:19 pm

Bubstubbler wrote:
GoLakers2011 wrote:
Wade2k6 wrote:Why are people still saying the Heat don't have a bench. House, Z, Jones, Haslem have played great for the roles they're asked to do, and they're having Miller come back in 2 months. What they need is a better C, not a better bench.

They don't have a bench dude. House and Jones are inconsistent shooters, Z is done, Haslem is okay but still not that great.

Not sure if serious.

Bench:

House/Chalmers
Stackhouse
Miller/Jones
Haslem/Howard
Z/Mags/Pittman

How many teams in the NBA have a better bench than that? (very few)

I love people who overrate the importance of bench players. These people actually think that a team of Paul/Kobe/LeBron/Dirk/Howard would crash and burn in a ringless pyre if they didn't have a good bench to back them up, when in actuality they'd go undefeated in the playoffs even with a bench composed entirely of d-leaguers.

I hurt my eyes just looking at those players.

Miami probably has the worst bench in the league.

BarneyGumble · Post #53 » by **BarneyGumble** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:24 pm

The are two pretty obvious problems with the Heat IMO.

1) lack of a true post presence in the paint offensively and defensively. Z is a nice Center, but he is too old and should not have to shoulder the burden of anchoring the paint by himself. Bosh is a 6'11 jump shooter and thats pretty much it. Lebron, for all his talents, prefers to play on the perimeter and shoot, penetrate, or pass. Wade is a slasher. As for the defensive liability in the paint, I would say my argument is best validated by Paul Millsap, a 6'6 power forward who went for 46 points against the Heat.

2) No team identity. Maybe Wade and Bron out there doing their own thing will be enough to win in the playoffs, but I doubt it. Championship teams have an identity. They know who their leaders are, and they jell as a unit to reflect the strengths of their leaders. All I see out of the Heat is a group of guys out there playing improvisation basketball with Wade/Bron handling the ball the majority of the time. Are they a pick and roll/pick and pop team? Are they a penetrate and kick-out team? They certainly aren't a "dump it to the big guy in the post" team. Not having a core strategy spells doom for any competitive business...including NBA franchises.

I agree with whoever said they can still make their team better. The Heat certainly have set themselves up nicely to contend for a window of a few years. All they need to do is fine-tune their roster to fit the strategy (whenever they decide what it is) and they will be a nasty, nasty team for a few years....

Royst · Post #54 » by **Royst** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:24 pm

House/Chalmers
Stackhouse
Miller/Jones
Haslem/Howard
Z/Mags/Pittman

How many teams in the NBA have a better bench than that

lol, someone's stuck in the past.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #55 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:26 pm

Rerisen wrote:What is curious so far is that only Wade is really benefiting offensively from the big 3. Without having to handle all the ball handling, playmaking, nor having to face the brunt of the defensive focus every night, he is freed up to score much more efficiently.

However, without Lebron and Bosh getting the touches or isolation looks they are used to receiving, they aren't generating near the fouls they did as #1 options and have seen their efficiency fall greatly because of this.

So far Bosh's numbers are scarily close to Hakim Warrick.

Agreed. Wade is free to make cuts off the ball and benefit from double teams - doesn't have to focus on setting up teammates, handling the ball, etc. Basically all he has to do in the current system is score.

Post #56 » by **coldfish** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:26 pm

I'll bash the Heat with the best of 'em, but give me a break. Its been 8 games. In Miami's defense, their defense has been mostly spectacular and when they win, they are destroying teams. There are a lot of reasons to think they are going to win 65+ games.

IMHO, Miami is still the clear cut favorite to win the East.

That being said, the Lakers look like a juggernaut.

panthermark · Post #57 » by **panthermark** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:35 pm

It is way to early to say it "failed"....

but....

It is early enough to take notice of some issues to could be a lingering problem. How the team would mesh, along with interior defense and outside shooting were the biq question marks. The lack of interior offense/defense could be a problem against the Celtics and Lakers.

LApwnd · Post #58 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:45 pm

coldfish wrote:I'll bash the Heat with the best of 'em, but give me a break. Its been 8 games. In Miami's defense, their defense has been mostly spectacular and when they win, they are destroying teams. There are a lot of reasons to think they are going to win 65+ games.

IMHO, Miami is still the clear cut favorite to win the East.

That being said, the Lakers look like a juggernaut.

how are they clear cut fav, they lost to the clear cut favorite? But I guess the excuses were rampant, 1st game of the year, wade coming off injury, big 3 didn't play together, blah blah blah, lets see what other excuses come up IF they lose again to Bos this thurs?

Bomb_First · Post #59 » by **Bomb_First** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:47 pm

Its still weird seeing Heat fans stick up for Lebron. They used to be some of the biggest Lebron haters on RealGm after Kobe fans

jmbflame21 · Post #60 » by **jmbflame21** » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:48 pm

coldfish wrote:I'll bash the Heat with the best of 'em, but give me a break. Its been 8 games. In Miami's defense, their defense has been mostly spectacular and when they win, they are destroying teams. There are a lot of reasons to think they are going to win 65+ games.

IMHO, Miami is still the clear cut favorite to win the East.

That being said, the Lakers look like a juggernaut.