Lakers willing to Part with Pau and Bynum?

[BossHoggin]

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[clockwork247]

Dwight is worlds better than Bynum as a defender. They're probably near equals as man defenders, and even as offensive players, but Dwight's help defense really changes games.

I have to agree here, Dwight speed would be a big upgrade over Bynum when defending PnR. This league has becoming PnR heavy league now and Bynum either doesn't know how to defend it or is just to slow, Nash is a great PG to begin with but he isn't a speed guy either and he still got to where ever he wanted last nite when running PnR with Gorat or Frye

you have to remember frye and gortat are good big shooting men, if they weren't good at shooting that pnr will never work, and the sun is one of the team that has that kind of combo, i'm not sure how many other team in the league that can do it as efficient as the sun.

[mademan]

But Brown's defensive plan is to use the big to show hard on the PnR. Pau does this extremely well but Bynum is way to slow to effectively do this. Brown benched Bynum early yesterday because of this.

[semi-sentient]

Dwight is worlds better than Bynum as a defender. They're probably near equals as man defenders, and even as offensive players, but Dwight's help defense really changes games.

Yep, this is the biggest difference between the two. With Howard we'd be able to actually defend the P&R for a change, and there is no question that we'd be the best defensive team in the league under MB.

In terms of offense, while Bynum has more post moves, he's horrible at reading double teams and isn't a very good passer. I would still take Howard overall for offense. He's just more effective, regardless of not being as skilled in the post. His athleticism and aggressiveness more than makes up for it.

[I Rasharted]

Dwight is worlds better than Bynum as a defender. They're probably near equals as man defenders, and even as offensive players, but Dwight's help defense really changes games.

Yep, this is the biggest difference between the two. With Howard we'd be able to actually defend the P&R for a change, and there is no question that we'd be the best defensive team in the league under MB.

In terms of offense, while Bynum has more post moves, he's horrible at reading double teams and isn't a very good passer. I would still take Howard overall for offense. He's just more effective, regardless of not being as skilled in the post. His athleticism and aggressiveness more than makes up for it.

If you think Bynum isn't a very good passer, wait'll you get a load of Howard. Worst pure point rating in the league by a wide margin, if I'm not mistaken.

[Frank Mulely]

yet another reason why Howard is not Shaq. Shaq was a great post passer.

actually I hated that I never got to see Shaq without a Kobe style ballhog in his prime. Just one year with a real point guard would have been sick.

[Vincent 666]

actually I hated that I never got to see Shaq without a Kobe style ballhog in his prime. .

Going by history, his teams would have probably gotten swept.

He played with pass first guards in Penny and Van exel and his teams got swept numerous times.

[semi-sentient]

If you think Bynum isn't a very good passer, wait'll you get a load of Howard. Worst pure point rating in the league by a wide margin, if I'm not mistaken.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Howard is anything special either, but he does a better job of recognizing when the double is coming and passing it back out to reestablish position or hit the open shooter. Bynum is generally considered a black hole on offense, and that's largely because his passing skills and court vision are severely lacking.

[dockingsched]

If you think Bynum isn't a very good passer, wait'll you get a load of Howard. Worst pure point rating in the league by a wide margin, if I'm not mistaken.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Howard is anything special either, but he does a better job of recognizing when the double is coming and passing it back out to reestablish position or hit the open shooter. Bynum is generally considered a black hole on offense, and that's largely because his passing skills and court vision are severely lacking.

this is bynum's first yr playing outside of the triangle since high school. add to it the lack of training camp and the 4 games lost at the start of the season, and i think its fair to assume that this double team trouble is more a reflection on that and not on his lack of skills. this last game he slowed a bit, trying to read the defense and make the right pass, baby steps.

[LApwnd]

this is bynum's first yr playing outside of the triangle since high school. add to it the lack of training camp and the 4 games lost at the start of the season, and i think its fair to assume that this double team trouble is more a reflection on that and not on his lack of skills. this last game he slowed a bit, trying to read the defense and make the right pass, baby steps.

he wasn't any better with the double during the Phil tenure either.

[MaxRider]

If the Rockets want Pau so bad, why don't the Lakers just deal him directly there and get back Scola and Lowry?

IMO, Lowry/Kobe/Barnes/Scola/Bynum is better than Fisher/Kobe/Barnes/???????/Dwight.

because Rockets is not trading Lowry

[Jetset]

Just so you guys know.. The Rockets dont want Gasol anymore.

RGM Rockets insider HTown_TMac clearly stated a few pages ago that the Rockets are no longer interested in Gasol. I'm not sure why this thread wasn't locked shortly thereafter.


I have no problems with giving up Gasol and Bynum in a trade for Dwight if that's what it takes, but a serviceable PF (either Scola or Anderson) needs to come back in return. Orlando doesn't even need Scola if they hang onto Anderson, unless they just want him for depth purposes.

Also, it's strange how the site took the article down. Speculatory bs on part of NY media.

[dockingsched]

this is bynum's first yr playing outside of the triangle since high school. add to it the lack of training camp and the 4 games lost at the start of the season, and i think its fair to assume that this double team trouble is more a reflection on that and not on his lack of skills. this last game he slowed a bit, trying to read the defense and make the right pass, baby steps.

he wasn't any better with the double during the Phil tenure either.

he was never ever given a consistent role in the offense. his post up opportunities were sporadic at best, and it was natural he'd look to score when he got the ball so sparingly.

[semi-sentient]

True, and I do expect him to improve since he's really not used to seeing double teams. Time will tell.

[Slava]

Tbf I'd expect Bynum to figure out the double team issues once he gets a full training camp under his belt. Howard on the other hand is a lost cause in terms of turnovers, quite positively no use defending him on that matter.

[The Skyhook]

It always surprised me Dwight was never able to master passing out of the double. For the most part he was surrounded by several 3 point shooters throughout his career so you would think that part of his game would have developed rather nicely. Perhaps if Dwight plays alongside someone like Kobe who can take a lot of pressure off other players it would help his development.

[ripthecord]

Stopped reading after NY Daily News.

Stopped reading after NY.

Stopped reading after.

[ThreeYearPlan]

Bynum will never be good at passing out of double teams because he's a ball hog. When he gets deep position he will not pass the ball no matter the circumstances.

[ennui]

Bynum will never be good at passing out of double teams because he's a ball hog. When he gets deep position he will not pass the ball no matter the circumstances.

Plus, he can't average 10 rebounds a game.

[dockingsched]

Bynum will never be good at passing out of double teams because he's a ball hog. When he gets deep position he will not pass the ball no matter the circumstances.

Plus, he can't average 9.8 rebounds a game.

fixed.