To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ

AussieBuck · Post #41 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:55 pm

McGee vs Bogut is a good example. Bogut shuffling around the court trying not to turn his ankle or pop his back out is having a huge impact on their playoff series while McGee is spending most of his time failing with one of the best NBA builds of all time.

NBA4EVA2010 · Post #42 » by **NBA4EVA2010** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:23 pm

Lebron has a tremendous Ball Iq. It's what makes him so dominant and great compared to someone like Josh Smith who has somewhat similar athleticism and all around abilities.

picc · Post #43 » by **picc** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:34 pm

Jason kidd has the most bball iq of anyone ive ever seen. I honestly think he could contribute to a team at the age of 50. His presence on the court just helps your team, no matter what he's
doing.

FreeChef · Post #44 » by **FreeChef** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:39 pm

tsherkin wrote:How you grasp plays, timing, court awareness/vision, those things are part of what you might call bball IQ. You can do well on one end, the other or both. D is more about hustle and following a good scheme than bball IQ, though. Time on tape, teammate support, etc.

That, skills and athleticism are ALL important. It's also important to separate awareness from approach. Kobe is not stupid, he's stubborn. He grasped the triangle very quickly, he just has trust issues. That isn't stupid, though it is a flaw, just as one example.

Isn't decision making a big part of IQ? How can someone consistently make stupid decisions but be called a high IQ player?

And I disagree with the point on defense. Making snap decisions on rotations or switches is as much about IQ as physical effort. Which players should I go over on screens or under? Who can I help off more? That's all IQ.

Post #45 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:50 pm

rayray2 wrote:
his tov% in the playoffs is 6.6 and his usage rate is 39.1. that's kinda ludicrous.

uh if you shoot every single time you get the ball, I'd say his turnover rate is actaully way too high.

Post #46 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:51 pm

gumbyr24 wrote:A better debate would be who believes in "clutch" and who doesn't..

My team has Dirk so its easy to believe

E-Balla · Post #47 » by **E-Balla** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:54 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
rayray2 wrote:
his tov% in the playoffs is 6.6 and his usage rate is 39.1. that's kinda ludicrous.

uh if you shoot every single time you get the ball, I'd say his turnover rate is actaully way too high.

He only shoots when they try to guard him 1 on 1. He knows Bass/Green can't hold him. Last game when the doubles came he passed out and most Knicks had their best games.

E-Balla · Post #48 » by **E-Balla** » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:57 pm

If you don't believe in bball iq watch Conley on offense back in 09 and 10 and watch him now. No new skills but he's way better.

Rasho_libre · Post #49 » by **Rasho_libre** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:01 am

Lebron bball iq is nuts. Are you guys crazy

sisibilio · Post #50 » by **sisibilio** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:26 pm

ARISE_CHICKEN wrote:BBIQ is just a fancy way of saying work ethic.

I disagree. It's totally different, IMO Bbll IQ is mostly innate.
Just like with music, you can learn to play the piano really well if you work hard enough, but you'll never become a virtuoso unless you had the predisposition. In our case, you can improve your decision making studying the game but that doesn't mean you increased your bbll IQ.

erudite23 · Post #51 » by **erudite23** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:01 pm

To those comma who don't believe in basketball IQ

mixerball · Post #52 » by **mixerball** » Fri May 3, 2013 12:27 pm

LeChosen1 wrote:BBIQ is overrated

beasley

OhMyBosh · Post #53 » by **OhMyBosh** » Fri May 3, 2013 1:25 pm

Tave wrote:
tha_rock220 wrote:Compare Gerald Green and prime Tracy McGrady and you'll see why basketball iq is important.

TMac was vastly more skilled at every facet of the game compared to Green; however, I wouldn't cite him as high-IQ player. He skirted by on natural talent and athleticism.

BBIQ is what separated Tmac from Lebron.

No, work ethic and health is what separated McGrady and LeBron.

McGrady was absolutely a high IQ player. It takes a high IQ to be able to transform athleticism into "talent".

Yoshun · Post #54 » by **Yoshun** » Fri May 3, 2013 2:07 pm

All "super stars" are "high BBall IQ players". A player can't play at that high of a level and have a low BBall IQ in the NBA. Kobe, TMac, Lebron, etc... they all have high BBall IQs.

Champ1on · Post #55 » by **Champ1on** » Fri May 3, 2013 2:13 pm

Low BBIQ = dumb fouls, stupid TO, no clock awareness, taking a lot of contested shot (I know they are necessary at times), knowing how to use your screen's effectively, and a lot more.

example of high BBIQ = creating spacing with off the ball movement (if you watch a game where your not focusing on the player with the ball and just look at the empty spaces created by player movement you will know what I mean)

83SixersRocked · Post #56 » by **83SixersRocked** » Fri May 3, 2013 2:32 pm

The cheese stands alone (me). IQ is capacity for learning.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #57 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri May 3, 2013 2:33 pm

enough of your mythical basketball IQ nonsense, i'm still a skeptic!

Yoshun · Post #58 » by **Yoshun** » Fri May 3, 2013 2:41 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:enough of your mythical basketball IQ nonsense, i'm still a skeptic!

To me, BBall IQ just means the ability to learn and successfully apply effective basketball skills in a game setting.

eloper · Post #59 » by **eloper** » Fri May 3, 2013 2:43 pm

There seems to be this assumption that guys who aren't athletic but manage to be effective have high BBIQ, when in reality, most of the time it's because they're incredibly skilled. Paul Pierce is a smart guy, but I don't know that he sees the game a whole lot differently than the average player, he just has an elite skill level. Seems like people mix up BBIQ and skill a whole lot.

BBIQ isn't the main reason Gerald Green never became Tracy McGrady, his lack of ball handling, physical strength, and streaky jumpshooting are. Maybe it's the reason he never became Jason Richardson?

Devilzsidewalk · Post #60 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Fri May 3, 2013 2:44 pm

Yoshun wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:enough of your mythical basketball IQ nonsense, i'm still a skeptic!

To me, BBall IQ just means the ability to learn and successfully apply effective basketball skills in a game setting.

you had me at "To me, BBall IQ just means the ability to learn and successfully apply effective basketball skills in a game setting."

consider me won over

Do you think b-ball IQ is overrated, or actually non-existent?