Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets?

Post #41 » by **Young_Star11** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:42 pm

Don't forget last season was his first full one in the NBA playing night-in, night-out.

CablexDeadpool · Post #42 » by **CablexDeadpool** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:49 pm

bigbreakfast wrote:this is **** stupid. if he wasn't asian he wouldn't have been overlooked his entire playing career before linsanity. The reason why there was so much hype was because nobody expected an asian kid to be able to play guard in the NBA because of the racial stereotypes that exist in basketball. There you go, yet another way to put it.

And if he wasn't Asian, he wouldn't have gotten a Nike deal straight out of college.

And Paul George was overlooked his entire career...is it because he's Black?

Stop being such a crybaby.

bfpri · Post #43 » by **bfpri** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:51 pm

Because he's an overhyped 8 million backup and his fans are annoying

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SacTownKings4Life · Post #44 » by **SacTownKings4Life** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:51 pm

Aaron Hotchner wrote:In my opinion Kyle Lowry would be the perfect PG in the system they're trying to implement with Harden and Howard.

Um... Where is Kyle Lowry anyway?

inquisitive · Post #45 » by **inquisitive** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:53 pm

They're not giving up on him...Lin pick n roll with Howard is what Morey wanted to see and so we will see it.

TheChosen618 · Post #46 » by **TheChosen618** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:57 pm

CablexDeadpool wrote:And if he wasn't Asian, he wouldn't have gotten a Nike deal straight out of college.

And Paul George was overlooked his entire career...is it because he's Black?

Stop being such a crybaby.

It's one thing to be overlooked and still be drafted top 10 overall and it's another thing to be overlooked and be undrafted and have no D1 schools offer you anything despite being All-State in the state of California.

Johnlac1 · Post #47 » by **Johnlac1** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:04 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
Johnlac1 wrote:As a Bucks fan...

I'm sorry dude. You deserve better than Jennings & Mayo. Lin may indeed be a better team player than those guys.

Jennings can play like a superstar one night and then the biggest stiff in the world the next. He would be much better coming of the bench, but he looks negatively at that prospect. Lin is clearly a superior floor general to Jennings and much more a team player. Jenning's attitude stinks. He thinks he's a great player, but he's a lot less than that. I actually like "Monta have it all" Ellis more than Jennings

The Warrior · Post #48 » by **The Warrior** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 9:30 pm

SacTownKings4Life wrote:
Aaron Hotchner wrote:In my opinion Kyle Lowry would be the perfect PG in the system they're trying to implement with Harden and Howard.

Um... Where is Kyle Lowry anyway?

Raptors...

Bubstubbler · Post #49 » by **Bubstubbler** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:18 pm

M4P wrote:
jamesnamida wrote:Can't shoot or dribble well.
Oh well look at monta Ellis and his numbers post allstar break. Does that change him as a player?

Bad fit with harden and Dwight. They both can't shoot so it's better to have a 3 and D pg with solid handles to space.

Why do people still think they Harden is a horrible shooter? Of course someone's 3pt percentage is gonna drop when you become the focal point of a run n gun team.

And even with that small drop to 36.8%, down from 39% the season before, he was still in Ray Allen territory (who has shot under 36.8% three times, and under 40% nine times). It's utterly bizarro to think of Harden as anything less than a good 3pt shooter.

junot111 · Post #50 » by **junot111** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:53 pm

LarsV8 wrote:
Vader wrote:It is Lin's skin color and last name. He has been treated this way the whole life. He will deal with it.

Absurd.

Jeremy Lin is a fine player, but he is not what the Rockets need. His strengths are running the break and running the pick and roll. Unfortunately, Harden is superior in that regard and his backup is a better fit for what the Rockets are doing, at a fraction of the cost.

What the Rockets need is a guy who can spot up shoot, defend and not turn the ball over. That is not Lin. He needs to go to a team where he can assume the role of primary ball handler.

superior how? Lin averaged more assists than Harden last season despite Harden dominating the ball and Lin being mysteriously benched in 4th quarters. He is the better playmaker and it would be foolish to think that you can run your entire offense solely through Harden.

junot111 · Post #51 » by **junot111** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:55 pm

its amazing how people CHOOSE to be ignorant just because of their dislike for Lin

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #52 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 12:10 am

You are paying a high price for skills that you don't need because of the rest of that group.

You need a quick trigger, 3 point shooting point guard. Both Howard and Harden can make plays for others and get guys looks. You just need guys that can hit those open looks.

Not like he's available, but a guy like Mario Chalmers would be perfect.

LarsV8 · Post #53 » by **LarsV8** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 12:23 am

junot111 wrote:its amazing how people CHOOSE to be ignorant just because of their dislike for Lin

No, what is sad is that people try to marginalize other people's opinions by inventing external factors which try to explain unfavorable judgements.

Lin is a nice kid, there is nothing to dislike.

junot111 wrote:superior how? Lin averaged more assists than Harden last season despite Harden dominating the ball and Lin being mysteriously benched in 4th quarters. He is the better playmaker and it would be foolish to think that you can run your entire offense solely through Harden.

Assist average is not an indicator of how good a playmaker someone is. To suggest so implies a fundamental lack of general basketball knowledge.

MKG35 · Post #54 » by **MKG35** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 12:25 am

What about Andrew Goudelock?

Maybe he's worth taking the risk, he won't demand much (at all), he has showed he can play. I just don't know if he's that good or good enough from the 3?

junot111 · Post #55 » by **junot111** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:34 am

LarsV8 wrote:
junot111 wrote:its amazing how people CHOOSE to be ignorant just because of their dislike for Lin

No, what is sad is that people try to marginalize other people's opinions by inventing external factors which try to explain unfavorable judgements.

Lin is a nice kid, there is nothing to dislike.

I wouldn't dare try to take credit for "inventing" racial prejudices and stereotypes which have been around long before I was born. Perhaps you have not heard of his path to the NBA and how he was neglected every step of the way due to people's inaccurate perceptions of him? Nor did I invent jealousy and envy, basic human traits that also contribute to people's blind hate for athletes like Lin. No one is marginalizing anyone's opinion, but they're exactly that, OPINIONS which reflect one's bias.

And I'm glad you think he's a nice kid, but you don't speak for all those that show blatant hate towards Lin for no apparent reason other than that they think he does not deserve the fame and recognition he's received. It is clear that some people simply don't want to acknowledge his success and will look for any opening to bash him. These people constantly spew out inaccurate statements about his game, such as the myth that he can't shoot, that' he's overpaid, that he can't play defense, etc. Such ignorance just proves that some people refuse to find out the truth and will state anything in order to favour their own opinion.

LarsV8 wrote:
junot111 wrote:superior how? Lin averaged more assists than Harden last season despite Harden dominating the ball and Lin being mysteriously benched in 4th quarters. He is the better playmaker and it would be foolish to think that you can run your entire offense solely through Harden.

Assist average is not an indicator of how good a playmaker someone is. To suggest so implies a fundamental lack of general basketball knowledge.

Thank you for the basketball analytics lesson, please tell me then what it is an indicator of, how good a defender that player is? Unlike many posters that choose to speak on what they don't know, I've actually watched the majority of the Rockets games this past season, and that is what I base my opinions on. However to those that have not watched them, I present statistics as a means to prove my point. What is it that you have presented to prove yours?

orange_juice32 · Post #56 » by **orange_juice32** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:42 am

still wrote: is more of a deceptively athletic than truly physically athletic guard.

Please, please explain to me how Lin is deceptively athletic. I'd love to hear this.

jamesnamida · Post #57 » by **jamesnamida** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:20 am

orange_juice32 wrote:
still wrote: is more of a deceptively athletic than truly physically athletic guard.

Please, please explain to me how Lin is deceptively athletic. I'd love to hear this.

He doesn't look ripped,
But he is quick bc he has trunk legs

Br0ken_Sp0ke · Post #58 » by **Br0ken_Sp0ke** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:27 am

Agree with you on Lin's talent level and ability to be pretty good for the Rockets next season, but I'm surprised you're actually hoping for Morey to keep him around. Since you've expressed your hopes for Chandler Parsons to escape the Rockets because he deserves better, I assume you'd want that even more for your favorite player...

LarsV8 · Post #59 » by **LarsV8** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:26 am

junot111 wrote:I wouldn't dare try to take credit for "inventing" racial prejudices and stereotypes which have been around long before I was born. Perhaps you have not heard of his path to the NBA and how he was neglected every step of the way due to people's inaccurate perceptions of him? Nor did I invent jealousy and envy, basic human traits that also contribute to people's blind hate for athletes like Lin. No one is marginalizing anyone's opinion, but they're exactly that, OPINIONS which reflect one's bias.

And I'm glad you think he's a nice kid, but you don't speak for all those that show blatant hate towards Lin for no apparent reason other than that they think he does not deserve the fame and recognition he's received. It is clear that some people simply don't want to acknowledge his success and will look for any opening to bash him. These people constantly spew out inaccurate statements about his game, such as the myth that he can't shoot, that' he's overpaid, that he can't play defense, etc. Such ignorance just proves that some people refuse to find out the truth and will state anything in order to favour their own opinion.

You making that ridiculous claim marginalizes every other player black, white or other who ever got overlooked in their path to the NBA, as if this is some unique hardship he has had to endure. Newsflash, everyone has their own personal struggles and hardships. DJ Mbenga was freaking about to be executed in his home country. Why don't you take a few minutes and educate yourself on Leandro Barbosa's childhood.

So please forgive us for not lining up for Jeremy Lin pity party parade.

junot111 wrote:Thank you for the basketball analytics lesson, please tell me then what it is an indicator of, how good a defender that player is? Unlike many posters that choose to speak on what they don't know, I've actually watched the majority of the Rockets games this past season, and that is what I base my opinions on. However to those that have not watched them, I present statistics as a means to prove my point. What is it that you have presented to prove yours?

Watch closer, because you are seeing what you want to see.

donalddole · Post #60 » by **donalddole** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:35 am

msg4k90 wrote:morey had nothing but good things to say about jeremy lin at the end of the season.

“I think people are focusing a little too much about the injury issue late and how that affected his playoff series. He’s the fifth-best pick and roll player in the league and 9th pick and roll in the game. Overall, really helped our offense, set up his teammates very well,” Morey said, defending Lin.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/09/ ... eremy-lin/

Sure, believe whatever Morey says. Like he wouldn't fluff up a player as much as he could that he might trade :roll:

I don't think he's completely far off, but c'mon Morey will say what he thinks will be best for the franchise.

Lin is just making too much money, and he needs the ball a lot to be effective. Harden & Dwight will want a lot of touches, and Lin will be essentially underutilized. It's more that Lin *is* effective, but won't be able to play up to his max potential. So it makes sense for another team to get max value out of him, and the rockets to get a piece or two that fits better -- classic win-win trade.

The racial stuff here isn't necessary, IMO, although obviously Lin himself experiences it on a daily basis.