Nene calling out Wall & Beal? 'They think they're so smart'

[Litany]

Lol and didn't the Wizards just give Wall the max this past off season?

Wiz gon Wiz doe


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[TankCommander]

I read that with the yikes face the whole time.


The Spurs players, with the exception of Kawhi, learned to play "the right way" over many, many years. Beal and Wall need to be given a break before they're called out publicly. They aren't exactly the posterchildren of selfish play. From what I've seen, they're coachable team players, Beal with an affinity for jumpshooting. They just need time and experience (and guidance) to play "the right way". In that sense Nene's right in that maybe they should watch video of the game, but that's a terrible thing to say about your teammate in public.

Also, superstarball beat classyball in the finals last year. The Spurs way isn't always the winning way. If the Wizards need to step up on anything it's good defense for 48. Some shooters to surround these young guys with would be nice too. I love Gortat and Nene but there's not much midrange there. Vesely is useless, Ariza and Webster are streaky.

Miami moves the ball better than most teams and they play the "right way".

this isnt 2011 anymore, wade and lebron dont take turns attacking. Even this year Miami is one of the better passers.

[Paradise]

Nene is on the money but i dont know what calling out your franchise players like that will do. It should have remained in the locker rooms.

When they go to the media and say it, it's usually to avoid any inner locker room arguments.

If he said it to them personally, it probably would end up worse since younger guys wouldn't understand where he is coming from.

[Kabookalu]

That was the first "bad" offensive game of the year for the wiz. Their problems are more on defense than offense. Nene is directing the frustration at the wrong spot. Also, playing back-2-backs with the 2nd being the Spurs at their place, is almost always going to be a loss. What did he expect?

I have him on my fantasy team so I know for sure that he's had a lot more bad offensive games this year, especially the first week of the season. He was atrocious during that time.

[NiqtheAntiq]

Nene's contract is so bad it would be hard to unload him which is the key problem here. He had 2 more years at like 12 mill a piece.

[Optimus_Steel]

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Score is 29-23 Wizards:

Kevin Seraphin shooting foul (Jae Crowder draws the foul) 29-25
Jae Crowder misses free throw 1 of 1
DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
DeJuan Blair makes 5-foot two point shot (Jae Crowder assists) 29-27
Kevin Seraphin shooting foul (DeJuan Blair draws the foul)
DeJuan Blair misses free throw 1 of 1
Vince Carter offensive rebound
29-30 Vince Carter makes 24-foot three point jumper (Gal Mekel assists)


Basically Seraphin allowed an and1, then the offensive rebound on the missed FT, then ANOTHER and1 on the putback, then ANOTHER offensive rebound which they kicked out for a three. He was benched for the game immediately following the sequence, finishing with a -7 in 2min of play. Comedy.

Please tell me there is video for this?????

[dobrojim]

Cannot comment, However Wall as talented as he is tries to just dominate rather then lead his team to the win, Not the first time it will happen from a supremely talented player and won't be the last

What Nene said should really have been behind closed doors.

funny, dare I say ironic (see who's to blame with the Nets thread), that you should call out
Wall for this. There are at least a couple folks on our board who call out JW for exactly
the opposite. Just like, amazingly, you hear that Wall isn't a true PG in spite of pretty
gaudy assist numbers with teams over the last few years that have not exactly been
loaded with shooters.

I heard Nene has now walked back his comments. He hopefully realizes he needs
to step it up himself.

Wall vs Kyrie on Saturday. Wiz desperate for a W after 3 straight losses on the road.

[dobrojim]

Basketball is not football or fighting (no $hit), where shear physical strength, speed, endurance advantage can overcome opposition resistance. Sure Lebron does it now and many physically gifted stars of the past did it.

But tactics, execution is almost as important.

Lebron doesn't just drive into traffic and try to jam it on 3 people all the time, he uses his team mates getting defensive attention which opens up lanes... Lebron then uses his physical advantage one on one to get into the lane to score... Tactics, execution and physical abilities.


I posted that because I want to say that there are a lot of super physically gifted players on the NBA who don't understand basketball as a team game yet (or never will)... And it's why they are under achievers or inconsistent.
John Wall is one of them... Super gifted but relies too much on his physical gifts, it works when the other team isn't prepared for him but when they are it's a different story.

With that said...
Comparing Spurs system and Wizards and blaming 2 players is short-changing Popovic.

This guy is a genius...
Always about perfect execution... Players are not required to be super fast, super quick, super talented... But they have to be in-synch with the team and must execute flawlessly.
Doesn't matter who scores or who dominates... It's who ever has the most opportunities on the best play at the right time.

re first bolded part

You know about the blinding speed, the freakish athleticism and the explosive first step. But what you might not know about Wizards rookie point guard John Wall is how high his basketball IQ is.

Before Sunday's exhibition game against the Knicks, coach Flip Saunders explained Wall's uncommon court awareness.

"It seems like he's got a photographic memory," Saunders said. "If you tell him something once, like a certain play, he remembers what all five positions should be doing. We knew he was athletic and we knew he had great competitive spirit, but I don't think anybody understood his intelligence and being able to carry that through.
"Is that uncommon in our league? Yeah, it's very uncommon. You have some guys in the sixth month of the season and they still can't remember where they are supposed to go. But we show him a play one time and he knows where everybody is supposed to be."



Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... z2kkC9vNVj


Later on in the interview (around the 57:30 mark), Simmons and Collins talk about Rajon Rondo's sense of humor, his prowess with Connect Four and his basketball I.Q., and the conversation steers into some high praise of the Wizards. The partial transcript is below:

Bill Simmons: Did you get a handle on Rondo after five months? Everybody says he's kinda like a genius.


...

Jason Collins: Sometimes during practice, Doc [Rivers] would let the players draw up the plays, because he wants guys thinking. And Rondo would draw up some great plays.

BS: Really?

JC: Yeah. I really gained an appreciation for his court-awareness on both ends of the court. Offensive and defensive, and the way he thinks the game. And along those same lines is John Wall.

BS: JOHN WALL? I NEVER would have guessed that.

JC: Yeah, exactly. But he really thinks the game. And, for a young player to already start to develop that sense of your awareness on the court and be able to anticipate what different plays are and where different players are going to be, you know he really impressed me with his court awareness.


http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/2/ ... ajon-rondo

Randy Wittman believes John Wall is one of the smartest players he's ever coached. His proof? The Wizards' point guard is the first one to call out the other team's plays.

"He knows, from a scouting standpoint, the plays that the other team [runs]. He'll call that out sometimes, which is pretty good. [He remembers] that we've played Milwaukee three times and that '54 Dive' is a play for [Ersan] Ilyasova. That's a talent you can't teach," the Wizards' coach says.


http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/3/14 ...

re Pop a genius

I agree but I'm also still perplexed why in game 6, he declined to foul
up 3 with the shot clock off. The Spurs should have won but Pop didn't
trust his own team to make FTs with a championship on the line.
Even the smartest guy sometimes effs up.

[ManualRam]

wall? smart? LOOOOOL

[dobrojim]

he's so flippin dumb he can only average 9 assists per game

bust

[MinneOOPalis]

he's so flippin dumb he can only average 9 assists per game

bust

Depending on how the player plays 9 assists dont mean as much as they imply.

[soxfan2003]

Whenever I've seen Wall play, he has always played pretty unselfishly given the talent of that team. His blemish this year so far appears to be 2 point shooting but his 3 point shooting and free throws shooting percentages are at a career high. His free throw shooting attempts being down is not a good thing but the season is still young.

Frankly his play that isn't up to last years standards IMHO is overstated just because the Wizards have played a lot more road games then home games.

I would NOT have given Wall or any player that doesn't project to have a real great shot to be a future HOFer, the 5 year max 1 year early. It didn't make sense unless you believe your organization is so damn bad that a player like Wall would sign a 1 year deal after this season and then bolt as a FA. I would take that risk instead.

Players like Anthony Davis you sign to the max 1 year early but only a few guys really deserve the max a year early.

When I've watched Wall, he has been a very smart player... One of the smartest point guards in the league -- a lot like Lebron on the court but with obviously less ability -- but that doesn't mean that his lack of consistency on his jumper doesn't hurt his game.

The Wizards should start playing better but there team is still in need of more "good players" and I tend to think of Wall as the sort of player who could only be the 2nd best player on a championship team. There are pretty much only 1 PG right now that I would trust to clearly be the best player on a championship contender. And it's not Rose or Westbrook or even Parker. It's Chris Paul but I flat out don't think the Clippers have enough talent to take down a healthy SA.

I alos think the Wizards made a mistake with their early season trade and probably should have tanked this season to add more talent and then gone all in. I still think there is a real good shot Washington wins 30+ games but that is not the place they should be to maximize their chances to be a championship contender.

[ManualRam]

drive and kick drive drive drive drive and kick

he still isn't much of a floor general and doesn't run a half court offense well. his decision making down the stretch of games is poor.

[Johnlac1]

drive and kick drive drive drive drive and kick

he still isn't much of a floor general and doesn't run a half court offense well. his decision making down the stretch of games is poor.

Pretty much my impression of Wall. He can get the stats, but a true floor general he's not.

[Jimmy Recard]

wall? smart? LOOOOOL

drive and kick drive drive drive drive and kick

he still isn't much of a floor general and doesn't run a half court offense well. his decision making down the stretch of games is poor.

Don't mistake a lack of skills/fundamentals with a low bball iq. Wall reads and understands the game very well, he always has.

Drive and kick drive and kick...umm would you say LeBron's playmaking is all drive and kick? You act like it's a bad thing as well. Being able to collapse the defense and get your teammates wide open threes is a skill. Still, you haven't watched much of Wall if you think that's the gist of his passing game. He's an elite passer with great vision, it's by far the best part of his game.

[oikosnomos]

Got beat by Cleveland tonight, which is embarrassing. Trouble in Washington?

[B-easy]

Wouldn't be surprised if wittman gets fired in the near future.

[Illmatic21]

Got beat by Cleveland tonight, which is embarrassing. Trouble in Washington?

When has there not been trouble in Washington

Randy Wittman has 2-3 more games left at most.