Will Andrew wiggins be a great player in the NBA?

defhalotones · Post #41 » by **defhalotones** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:25 am

To the OP:
The reason you're not impressed is because the media, prior to the season, labeled Wiggins as the next NBA super-duper star. When you have that much hype, you will almost certainly never reach/exceed the preordained hype. If I was a GM, I would pick Wiggins #1.

noobcake · Post #42 » by **noobcake** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:29 am

Choker wrote:
Bisonbull8 wrote:Harrison Barnes was tagged as the next Kobe out of high school. Wiggins being tagged as a tmac, PG etc. Dude will be a Harrison Barnes.

Barnes was hyped as the next Kobe because he supposedly possessed such an advanced skillset for his age, which was always overrated because his skills were always more polished than they were advanced. Wiggins is going to be much better than Barnes.

Barnes is more polished than Wiggins on the offensive end. Lack of handles has become the death of Barnes. It will be the same for Wiggins.

Wing players without elite handles DO NOT become superstars. Handles is something that can't easily be improved. Wiggins has been dribbling basketball for at least 12-13 years.

Kabookalu · Post #43 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:31 am

noobcake wrote:Barnes is more polished than Wiggins on the offensive end. Lack of handles has become the death of Barnes. It will be the same for Wiggins.

Wing players without elite handles DO NOT become superstars. Handles is something that can't easily be improved. Wiggins has been dribbling basketball for at least 12-13 years.

Barnes offense is limited because he's developed his game around only being able to finish plays. Wiggins has developed his so he can function perfectly within the context of an offense.

snomeister · Post #44 » by **snomeister** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:34 am

Okay, I'll explain it to you OP. In college, your shooting ability almost pretty much dictates how good of a player you are on the wing, while with big men it's mostly your strength, low post finishing, and tenacity. Meanwhile, in the NBA, while those things matter too, so does your quickness, physical tools, finishing ability, and blow by ability. Andrew Wiggins has those latter things in spades, while his shooting is still a work in progress.

But it's these factors why you constantly see players who are great in college who are mediocre NBA players (Adam Morrison, Jimmer Fridette for wings - Thomas Robinson, Tyler Hansbrough for bigs) while you've also seen players who struggled in college but looked way better in the NBA because of the physicality and open spacing (Russ Westbrook is the first wing player I can think of like that, Deandre Jordan and Drummond are two perfect cases of big men who struggled at school but then were fine when they got in the NBA and I still don't know how GMs let them fall so much in the draft). If Wiggins falls much in the draft, people are going to be thinking "what the **** were the GMs smoking" in a couple years.

Jazzfan12 · Post #45 » by **Jazzfan12** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:43 am

I don't think so. Below-average BBIQ, below-average shooter, poor coordination, I don't see him as more than Marvin Williams in the NBA and he's probably not as good as Marvin Williams was coming out of college (Wiggins has better stats not adjusted for minutes, but Marvin's per 40 minutes stats at UNC crush Wiggins'). He should go in the later part of the top 10.

Okay, I'll explain it to you OP. In college, your shooting ability almost pretty much dictates how good of a player you are on the wing, while with big men it's mostly your strength, low post finishing, and tenacity. Meanwhile, in the NBA, while those things matter too, so does your quickness, physical tools, finishing ability, and blow by ability. Andrew Wiggins has those latter things in spades, while his shooting is still a work in progress.

Uhh, Wiggins is a terrible finisher at the rim...Have you watched him play at all?

KJ McDaniels isn't a shooter and is mostly an athlete (and he's more athletic than Wiggins) and he's a wing who has been great in college.

Shaud · Post #46 » by **Shaud** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:49 am

Andrew Wiggins in the halfcourt game has been pretty average to below average. A lot of his pointscome from transition baskets.

I don't get these comments that says his game fits the NBA level so we should just ignore his college struggles. He's had a lot of subpar games against some not so good competition.

Shaud · Post #47 » by **Shaud** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:55 am

http://deanondraft.com/2014/02/14/andrew-wiggins-an-ordinary-player-in-an-extraordinary-body/

Here is an article documenting Wiggins struggle in the half court game.

Post #48 » by **DG88** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:59 am

Wiggins will be fine in a faster paced NBA with PnR action and much more spacing then in college. What has hampered him is the offensive structure that Bill Self employs, which is an inside out offense of passing the ball around the perimeter and dumping it inside to either Embiid or Ellis. It's very rare for college coaches to change up there offense to suit the needs of one player. There is very little to no PnR action for Wiggins nor is there enough spacing on the court to give himself driving lanes to the basket. Yet even with this being the case he's been able to produce a lot more consistently now then in the beginning of the college season, since he's far more comfortable. People placed too much on him early before he even played a game. He's talented enough and has the potential to be a star in this league. He'll be a a very good scorer, who can rebound well, have good passing ability and can defend at an elite level. If you can get that type of player out of the draft then you've done pretty damn well my friend.

Willarmm · Post #49 » by **Willarmm** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:31 am

Personally, don't see him being much more than a grizzlies Rudy gay, elite athlete with a decent stroke and can play some good defense. He may not be as good skills wise as wiggins but is a bit more athletic, he will never be a #1 option but he could be a pretty good number two.

big_ticket · Post #50 » by **big_ticket** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:56 am

sky is the limit,in the nba is more fast pace,,college ball sucks..

Marvin Martian · Post #51 » by **Marvin Martian** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:57 am

defhalotones wrote:To the OP:
The reason you're not impressed is because the media, prior to the season, labeled Wiggins as the next NBA super-duper star. When you have that much hype, you will almost certainly never reach/exceed the preordained hype. If I was a GM, I would pick Wiggins #1.

Picking Wiggins top 4 in this draft would be a mistake of historic proportions. There have been lesser known prospects who had the exact same skill set as Wiggins in college and nobody hyped them up to be a future all star or the next T-Mac.

Chi · Post #52 » by **Chi** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 7:26 am

He'd better hope he ends up with Rondo, a guy who will set him up for some easy baskets.

Then maybe he can play that Phoenix Shawn Marion type of role...

If not, I just can't see how a SF with no jumper and no handles will dominate the way some people think he will.

We've seen Terrance Ross and Ben Mac be super athletes and not dominate, and at least they can shoot. They have a skill. What makes him different or better?

Jumping high doesn't equal baskets or success in this league.

jamesnamida · Post #53 » by **jamesnamida** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 10:40 am

Parker will prove to be better if they both have equal footing with oppertunities in their first few years.

TheUroborosWorm · Post #54 » by **TheUroborosWorm** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 2:13 pm

His name is Andrew FREAKING Wiggins... i mean, he's gonna own the league while destroying any competition... and anihilating any alien invasion that may or may not happen!

hands11 · Post #55 » by **hands11** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 2:34 pm

three2theD wrote:
DK-All Day wrote:Disagree. The GM who passes on Wiggins will be doing a ESPN:30 for 30 and explaining why he passed on Wiggins. He will be a great fit in the NBA. Worst-Case scenario is a player like DeMar DeRozan impact-wise.

If he becomes Demar DeRozan that would certainly be a bi disappointment, considering he's projected to go top 3, and they have been hyping him as the next great player since his H.S. days.

Yeah, well drafts get hyped. Looks at the last draft. Teams were supposed to tank for Shabazz. :lol:

I never pay to much attention to the draft class until about now. Always seen to work for me. Then I go into it with fresh eyes.

Hell, we don't even know who is coming out yet.

Smart was smart to stay another year and have a chance to future mature. Even the pushing a fan thing is a shine he wasn't ready. Better to learn that lesson in college.

SlowPaced · Post #56 » by **SlowPaced** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:18 pm

First off, this guy plays nothing like T-Mac or Rudy Gay. No idea why those are the most frequent comparisons. T-Mac's best asset was his ball handling for a wing scorer. Rudy Gay is an isolation based player who relies on his great mid-range game and build.

Andrew Wiggins' best comparison is far and away Paul George.

They look extremely similar in terms of college production and college playing style. And actually, Paul George played in a much weaker college (Fresno St.) which makes Wiggins' stats more impressive. George's handles and scoring off the dribble were lacking when he got to the NBA. While he had good form, his shooting stroke was also inconsistent and he was only a "potential" guy in terms of defense. George's best assets were his athleticism, size and quickness. Wiggins' best assets are athleticism, size and quickness. In terms of quickness he's much better than Paul George. He'll be the quickest wing player in the league when he enters. His shooting stroke isn't as good as George but it's no stinker either. Like George, his main lacking skills are ball handling and scoring off the dribble.

Wiggins is a monster in transition and NBA game relies much heavier on transition than college game because the pace is significantly higher.

I think Wiggins' floor is a little worse Paul George and his ceiling is a better Paul George. The athleticism is there, the quickness is there, the defense is there. A better Paul George likely means a Top 3 player.

Chi wrote:We've seen Terrance Ross and Ben Mac be super athletes and not dominate, and at least they can shoot. They have a skill. What makes him different or better?

First and foremost: Defense. Also quickness, work rate, poise and passing.

JSW · Post #57 » by **JSW** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:31 pm

If a top 3 pick isn't going to be successful in the NBA than does that mean this entire draft class sucks? You have to take the coaching decisions and how the utilize him into account as well but at least wait till he actually plays in the march madness tournament before criticizing him like were on the raptors board.

SmoothLefty21 · Post #58 » by **SmoothLefty21** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:59 pm

He's the no-brainer #1 to me. As others have said, the NBA game is much better suited for him than college and specifically Self's system.

Cru Thik · Post #59 » by **Cru Thik** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 5:30 pm

He couldn't have picked a worse situation for his talents. Self's system is not a good match for him. I would love to see him in Brett Brown's system. Wiggins in the open court pace of the 76ers with MCW and Noel drooling!

Post #60 » by **Quotatious** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 5:38 pm

Agree with whoever says that Wiggins's game is better suited to the NBA than college. Remember that even Michael Jordan wasn't particularly dominant in college...He had huge potential though, and so does Wiggins. In fact, Andrew compares rather favorably to Michael at the same age...I'm NOT saying that Wiggins will necessarily become a superstar right away in the NBA, but he's definitely one of the best prospects in recent years.