redraft the current league in their primes

[ThePersianFreak]

LeBron and Duncan are the easy 2.

[excision]

My top 25 (italics = assuming they reach realistic expectations):

1a. Lebron
1b. Duncan
3. KG
4. Kobe
5. Dirk
6. Durant
7. Wade
8. Nash
9. Howard
10. Davis
11. Paul
12. Pierce
13. Curry
14. Allen
15. Griffin
16. Pau
17. Manu
18. Love
19. Billups
20. Carter
21. Westbrook
22. Melo
23. Harden
24. Parker
25. Brand

This can help for veteran players:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... ctive.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... ctive.html

19. Irving
20. Anthony
21. Amare
22. Bosh
23. Parker
28. Jefferson
29. Pau Gasol
33. Pierce
35. Deng
54. Ginobili

Oh, wow.

I did the list fairly quickly so its not totally accurate but yeah I am actually a fan of both Pierce and Pau, on second thought I'd probably have Pierce at around 20-22 and Pau at around 24-25. Ginobili is a great player but I think he's more of a complementary player, not a center piece which is why I have him so low.

[Froob]

Never saw too much of prime Allen pre-celtics but, people would rather have him than prime Pierce?

[MMyhre]

Top 10 -
1 LeBron
2 Duncan
3 Wade
4 Durant
5 Kobe
6 KG
7 Dirk
8 Nash
9 Howard
10 CP3

LeBron and Duncan tier 1, Wade, Durant & Kobe tier 2, KG, Dirk, Nash, CP3, Howard tier 3

[Ice Trae]

Mine would probably go something like this:
1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Durant
4. Dirk
5. Kobe
6. KG
7. Davis
8. Howard
9. Wade
10. Paul
11. Howard
12. Curry
13. Love
14. Aldridge
15. Griffin
16. Nash
17. Ray Allen
18. Carter
19. Irving
20. Anthony
21. Amare
22. Bosh
23. Parker
24. Westbrook
25. Marion
26. Harden
27. Noah
28. Jefferson
29. Pau Gasol
30. Wall
31. Marc Gasol
32. Cousins
33. Pierce
34. Brand
35. Deng
36. Ellis
37. Jermaine O'neal
38. Elton Brand
39. Rondo
40. Brook Lopez
41. Joe Johnson
42. Hayward
43. Z-bo
44. Deron Williams
45. Klay Thompson
46. Jason Richardson
47. Lewis
48. Jeff Green
49. Tyson Chandler
50. Dragic
51. Drummond
52. Odom
53. Horford
54. Ginobili
55. Horford
56. Ibaka
57. Kenyon Martin
58. Ryan Anderson
59. Iguodala
60. Boozer

This list is assuming that you draft each player young and you knowing/predicting how their careers panned or will pan out. The list would change if you meant one season peak (I would definitely include Rose, lol)

Klay thompson and Gordon Hayward over Horford and Ginobili? Monta Ellis and Luol Deng over Joe Johnson?? wow.

[KGboss]

If Pierce isnt in your top 10 you need to reevaluate.

[ShowTimeERA]

I HATE Kobe and anyone who has him lower than 3 is just being ridiculous. Kevin Garnett over Kobe? What?

I would probably have to do:

1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. Durant
5. KG
6. Dirk

After that it's kind of a hodgepodge of young guys with untapped potential and more veteran players who are great but have substantial flaws in their resume.

Also, I learned in this thread that Jeff Green is going to have a better career than Ginobli. Get to work Jeff, you have a LONG way to go!

Prime Kobe couldn't do better than an 8 seed. I even think I rated him too high and I underrated Dirk. I'd take Dirk over Kobe.

When has LA been a 8th seed during Kobe's prime?

[Prince187]

I HATE Kobe and anyone who has him lower than 3 is just being ridiculous. Kevin Garnett over Kobe? What?

I would probably have to do:

1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. Durant
5. KG
6. Dirk

After that it's kind of a hodgepodge of young guys with untapped potential and more veteran players who are great but have substantial flaws in their resume.

Also, I learned in this thread that Jeff Green is going to have a better career than Ginobli. Get to work Jeff, you have a LONG way to go!

Prime Kobe couldn't do better than an 8 seed. I even think I rated him too high and I underrated Dirk. I'd take Dirk over Kobe.

When has LA been a 8th seed during Kobe's prime?

twice, in 05-06 and 06-07

[excision]

Mine would probably go something like this:
1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Durant
4. Dirk
5. Kobe
6. KG
7. Davis
8. Howard
9. Wade
10. Paul
11. Howard
12. Curry
13. Love
14. Aldridge
15. Griffin
16. Nash
17. Ray Allen
18. Carter
19. Irving
20. Anthony
21. Amare
22. Bosh
23. Parker
24. Westbrook
25. Marion
26. Harden
27. Noah
28. Jefferson
29. Pau Gasol
30. Wall
31. Marc Gasol
32. Cousins
33. Pierce
34. Brand
35. Deng
36. Ellis
37. Jermaine O'neal
38. Elton Brand
39. Rondo
40. Brook Lopez
41. Joe Johnson
42. Hayward
43. Z-bo
44. Deron Williams
45. Klay Thompson
46. Jason Richardson
47. Lewis
48. Jeff Green
49. Tyson Chandler
50. Dragic
51. Drummond
52. Odom
53. Horford
54. Ginobili
55. Horford
56. Ibaka
57. Kenyon Martin
58. Ryan Anderson
59. Iguodala
60. Boozer

This list is assuming that you draft each player young and you knowing/predicting how their careers panned or will pan out. The list would change if you meant one season peak (I would definitely include Rose, lol)

Klay thompson and Gordon Hayward over Horford and Ginobili? Monta Ellis and Luol Deng over Joe Johnson?? wow.

Spare me your 'wows.' I did this list very quickly and honestly it's all just a matter of opinion, no need to get all defensive.
This list isn't necessarily a ranking of how good players are, but who you would draft in order to meet your own 'winning' formula.

Klay and Gordon are obviously young and less proven but I personally think they have potential to turn into very valuable contributors to a contending team. Klay is tall and has a really quick release which can gives him potential to be one of the best floor-spacing two guards in the game. Hayward I'll admit should probably be lower, but I'm still a huge fan of his game. He's a great all-round player with solid size, athleticism, shooting, passing and rebounding who could really flourish if he played for a better team.

I love Manu but he's always been third in the pecking order behind Timmy and Tony. I'm sure if he played on a different team he could have put up better raw stats but I don't know if his body would have been able to handle it, Klay and Gordon just seem a little bit durable to me. Horford really isn't that great of a player, a career 14 and 9 guy with pretty average defense for a big man, so I don't see what the big deal is in taking those other guys over him. The whole thing is pretty subjective and you can make a case for any of these players depending on your team's needs/wants.

I like Joe but his main asset is his ability to shoot and score the basketball, Monta adds a different element which is elite slashing. I always felt he was underrated in G-state and he really impressed me with his play in Dallas this year. Deng is a different mould of player from JJ, obviously not as good of a scorer but he's the perfect complementary wing player, an Elite defender that can still score/space the floor as well as help out on the boards, one of the best guys you can have on your team. Again, a case can be made for either player depending on your team's needs.

[excision]

Never saw too much of prime Allen pre-celtics but, people would rather have him than prime Pierce?

It completely depends on your team's needs. Truth is the better slasher and ISO-scorer but Ray is the better floor-spacer/cutter without the ball. They're both similar caliber players.

[thamadkant]

1. Duncan
2. James
3. Durant


The rest are for team needs.

[rich316]

If Pierce isnt in your top 10 you need to reevaluate.

You aren't the first one to say this, which surprises me a little. Make a case for Pierce over any of these guys:

Lebron
Duncan
Durant
Kobe
KG
Dirk
CP3
Dwight
Wade
Melo

I think there's 10 who are clear-cut over Pierce, and that doesn't count guys like Griffin, Davis, Love, or Curry who will likely have better careers. Sure, his longevity is great, but he was never the kind of player who could carry a team to the playoffs, as everybody on the above list has done. Before KG and Ray got to Boston, he was leading them straight to the lottery in the bad conference.

[LOUiS-D]

I've always wanted to do stuff like this in 2k. Or start an association 50 years ago and play through the eras.

[Gus McCrae]

Lebron Kobe Duncan

[ShowTimeERA]

twice, in 05-06 and 06-07

That's news to me. But what do I know....

[RKL]

Kobe/LeBron/Duncan — top skill/fundamentals, approach to the game and their will is bar none (plus chips). These 3 are real HOF.


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[narmerguy]

People are sleeping on Wade. Prime Wade was a beast, only real thing holding him back was the injuries that started to pile up.

[KazuoOda]

Wade over KG and Dirk.... What?

[Ice Trae]

Mine would probably go something like this:
1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Durant
4. Dirk
5. Kobe
6. KG
7. Davis
8. Howard
9. Wade
10. Paul
11. Howard
12. Curry
13. Love
14. Aldridge
15. Griffin
16. Nash
17. Ray Allen
18. Carter
19. Irving
20. Anthony
21. Amare
22. Bosh
23. Parker
24. Westbrook
25. Marion
26. Harden
27. Noah
28. Jefferson
29. Pau Gasol
30. Wall
31. Marc Gasol
32. Cousins
33. Pierce
34. Brand
35. Deng
36. Ellis
37. Jermaine O'neal
38. Elton Brand
39. Rondo
40. Brook Lopez
41. Joe Johnson
42. Hayward
43. Z-bo
44. Deron Williams
45. Klay Thompson
46. Jason Richardson
47. Lewis
48. Jeff Green
49. Tyson Chandler
50. Dragic
51. Drummond
52. Odom
53. Horford
54. Ginobili
55. Horford
56. Ibaka
57. Kenyon Martin
58. Ryan Anderson
59. Iguodala
60. Boozer

This list is assuming that you draft each player young and you knowing/predicting how their careers panned or will pan out. The list would change if you meant one season peak (I would definitely include Rose, lol)

Klay thompson and Gordon Hayward over Horford and Ginobili? Monta Ellis and Luol Deng over Joe Johnson?? wow.

Spare me your 'wows.' I did this list very quickly and honestly it's all just a matter of opinion, no need to get all defensive.
This list isn't necessarily a ranking of how good players are, but who you would draft in order to meet your own 'winning' formula.

Klay and Gordon are obviously young and less proven but I personally think they have potential to turn into very valuable contributors to a contending team. Klay is tall and has a really quick release which can gives him potential to be one of the best floor-spacing two guards in the game. Hayward I'll admit should probably be lower, but I'm still a huge fan of his game. He's a great all-round player with solid size, athleticism, shooting, passing and rebounding who could really flourish if he played for a better team.

I love Manu but he's always been third in the pecking order behind Timmy and Tony. I'm sure if he played on a different team he could have put up better raw stats but I don't know if his body would have been able to handle it, Klay and Gordon just seem a little bit durable to me. Horford really isn't that great of a player, a career 14 and 9 guy with pretty average defense for a big man, so I don't see what the big deal is in taking those other guys over him. The whole thing is pretty subjective and you can make a case for any of these players depending on your team's needs/wants.

I like Joe but his main asset is his ability to shoot and score the basketball, Monta adds a different element which is elite slashing. I always felt he was underrated in G-state and he really impressed me with his play in Dallas this year. Deng is a different mould of player from JJ, obviously not as good of a scorer but he's the perfect complementary wing player, an Elite defender that can still score/space the floor as well as help out on the boards, one of the best guys you can have on your team. Again, a case can be made for either player depending on your team's needs.

not defensive at all, just stunned. Monta plays no Defense, Deng is not on JJ's (Prime) caliber and Hayward and Thompson really haven't proven to be an allstar. If anything, you're SERIOUSLY underrating Horford and Ginobili. Sure, Ginobili has always been the third cog, however, there is no doubt in my mind that he was a top 3-4 SG in his prime. I would easily take him over Klay and Hayward.

[Volcano]

I HATE Kobe and anyone who has him lower than 3 is just being ridiculous. Kevin Garnett over Kobe? What?

I would probably have to do:

1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Kobe
4. Durant
5. KG
6. Dirk

Stick KG with prime MJ and prime Pierce/Ray and he'd have a lot more rings. Draft based on the player, not how many rings their team got them.

Yeah that was totally all Kobe's fault. Kobe worked his ass off to get that 8th seed, and would have gotten a higher had his teammates been on par with him or even close.

Welcome to the situation many other all-stars face. Mike Brown and D'Antoni can't even last one season with the Lakers while they coach other stars for years. The guy gets a regular situation and gets typical results, but when guys like Tmac and KG are put in that situation, they shouldn't be put on Kobe's level.


Ranking by tiers:
1.
Lebron
Duncan

2.
KG
Durant
Kobe

3.
Dirk
Wade - not higher due to lack of longevity
CP3
Anthony Davis - based on potential

4.
Steve Nash
Paul Pierce
Dwight
Pau Gasol
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook

5.
Ginobili - not higher due to stamina issues
Ray Allen
Vince Carter
Marc Gasol
Chris Bosh
LaMarcus Aldridge
Blake Griffin
Carmelo Anthony
Al Horford
Tony Parker
Derrick Rose - assuming he comes back from injury the same
Paul George

6.
Kevin Love
James Harden
John Wall
Deron Williams
Demarcus Cousins
Elton Brand
Jermaine O'Neal
Joe Johnson
Drummond