Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I won

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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#41 » by number1joker » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:11 pm

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number1joker wrote:No disrespect to Russel but if he played in the nba today he wouldnt have nearly as many titles, especially 8 in a row.

That's basically impossible for a modern NBA team to do.

For that reason alone teams like Shaq's LAkers, Jordans Bulls and Duncans Spurs are all far more impressive dynastys imo.

Why is it necessary to put past accomplishments into the present time? That was his era, the rules were different. IF he was in this era, I'm sure adjustments would follow.


Cause thats what u do in sports.

Its fun to compare athletes to others from different era's

Its fun to debate wheather dwight howard could succeed in the nfl or not

Stuff like that is fun to ask ourselves even if we'll never get an answer.
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Post#42 » by littlerock2277 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:12 pm

Deandre jordon would be able to do the same thing bill russell did back in his era
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#43 » by sogood » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:12 pm

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number1joker wrote:No disrespect to Russel but if he played in the nba today he wouldnt have nearly as many titles, especially 8 in a row.

That's basically impossible for a modern NBA team to do.

For that reason alone teams like Shaq's LAkers, Jordans Bulls and Duncans Spurs are all far more impressive dynastys imo.



If it wasnt for Bill Russel, NBA wouldnt probably be this big and Lebron probably wouldnt be born or atleast he wont be playing basketball...


You have to compare in context..... in 100 years time when some elite humans can grow to 8 feet and move like guards and score 50ppg, would that disregard everything happening NOW?


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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#44 » by Ben-N1ce » Sat Jun 7, 2014 5:19 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWelUNrJUMM[/youtube]
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#45 » by dautjazz » Sat Jun 7, 2014 6:15 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWelUNrJUMM[/youtube]


Yeah he was a hell of an athlete. Surprises me that he couldn't shoot better than his career average. I mean I know the league average was VERY low by comparison to the modern era, but look at Wilt, he was able to put %s that put today's elite bigs to shame.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#46 » by NCHeels2008 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 6:30 pm

That speaks to the mindset you have to have to be a winner on the level of Bill, what a legend.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#47 » by Tim Lehrbach » Sat Jun 7, 2014 6:59 pm

The point often made that 60s titles are less meaningful because you only had to win two rounds is overstated. Fair to give credit for one extra round (conference semis), sure, but how impressed were we supposed to be by the Bulls' annual arse-kicking of the Heat/Bullets/Sun Kings in the first round? Recent Western Conference is a little different, granted.

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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#48 » by GoBobs » Sat Jun 7, 2014 7:08 pm

Tired of hearing him brag. He was lucky to be on the best team in the league at the time.

To pretend he is the same level basketball talent as Wilt, or Jordan, who dominated a much larger league is silly.
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Post#49 » by Golden Angel » Sat Jun 7, 2014 7:24 pm

Nyk4lyfe wrote:I call BS.

No. If you want to succeed you gotta fucus on the moment , nothing else.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#50 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jun 7, 2014 9:10 pm

Nyk4lyfe wrote:I call BS.


Here's the thing though: When you have so many more titles than anyone else, what does the specific number matter? Russell sure as heck didn't play until '69 because he wanted 11 rings after all.

And consider the toll that repeating as title winners has had on more recent dynasties. You can see that after each season the team seems to lose steam. That's the true difference between Russell's Celtics and later teams: They were just doing their thing each year, trying to do the best they can.

I think it's also worth noting with regards to Russell how much specific meaning their was in his later years. '67 gave him the added challenge of coaching. '68 gave him the added goal of taking the title back from Wilt. '69 saw he and his boys taking on the world's first superteam. Consider then which was more important in that final year:

1) Winning his Nth title.

or

2) Beating the superteam.

The answer I think is clear.

Even then in Russell's retirement letter he talk about how it all seemed so repetitive at this point, and so he was leaving the game despite the fact he had 1 more year on his contract.

If you want to quibble with the boredom and say he recognized that he might not be able to win the next year, okay, but even if you want to say he wanted to win as long as he could, can you really believe he was thinking "if I can just get to 11" as he decided to play in '68 for another year?

To be clear, I'm not necessarily saying that Russell was some fundamentally unique animal here in how he looked at things. I think much of this stems from him coming around relatively early in the NBA's history and having success so far off the charts team-wise. This causes him to think less about his ring count just as modern players think more about their own ring count and find ways to ignore HIS ring count. Beyond a certain point we're talking about qualitative differences rather than quantitative.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#51 » by BKing10 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 10:24 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:The point often made that 60s titles are less meaningful because you only had to win two rounds is overstated. Fair to give credit for one extra round (conference semis), sure, but how impressed were we supposed to be by the Bulls' annual arse-kicking of the Heat/Bullets/Sun Kings in the first round? Recent Western Conference is a little different, granted.

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Valid point if the competition was strong. Look at the Heats run through the east. That was how it was to win a title with those celtics teams. But easier since it was 2 best of 5 series before the finals.
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Post#52 » by HeatFanSince87 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 10:25 pm

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number1joker wrote:No disrespect to Russel but if he played in the nba today he wouldnt have nearly as many titles, especially 8 in a row.

That's basically impossible for a modern NBA team to do.

For that reason alone teams like Shaq's LAkers, Jordans Bulls and Duncans Spurs are all far more impressive dynastys imo.


sorry but any time someone makes such a statement of comparison it IS a sign of disrespect. a champion is a champion. all champs of all eras share the same champion dna.

i wonder why only champions understand what other champions have done. oh wait i know, because they know what it takes.



Strange because all I hear today is how easy this era is so much easier from all the 80s / 90s has beens. Zero respect.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#53 » by HeatFanSince87 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 10:25 pm

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Tim Lehrbach wrote:The point often made that 60s titles are less meaningful because you only had to win two rounds is overstated. Fair to give credit for one extra round (conference semis), sure, but how impressed were we supposed to be by the Bulls' annual arse-kicking of the Heat/Bullets/Sun Kings in the first round? Recent Western Conference is a little different, granted.

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Valid point if the competition was strong. Look at the Heats run through the east. That was how it was to win a title with those celtics teams. But easier since it was 2 best of 5 series before the finals.



Calling your own team crap I guess?
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Post#54 » by miltk » Sat Jun 7, 2014 10:55 pm

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number1joker wrote:No disrespect to Russel but if he played in the nba today he wouldnt have nearly as many titles, especially 8 in a row.

That's basically impossible for a modern NBA team to do.

For that reason alone teams like Shaq's LAkers, Jordans Bulls and Duncans Spurs are all far more impressive dynastys imo.


sorry but any time someone makes such a statement of comparison it IS a sign of disrespect. a champion is a champion. all champs of all eras share the same champion dna.

i wonder why only champions understand what other champions have done. oh wait i know, because they know what it takes.


All championships are not created equal. Completely different winning a title in an 8 team league with two rounds of playoffs than in a 30 team league with 4.

Also a lot easier to keep a dynasty going without a salary cap.


imo that is a false statement. more teams means more mediocrity and more cr@p. is it POSSIBLE that a good team gets upset by a bad team,,,yes. is it probable?,,,would you bet your house. why do we still get okc, spurs, indy, and miami. the same best teams always are the same year in and year out, until they get too old.

the 64team field is not what brought parity to college. 64 teams means 32 REALLY BAD ONES. just look at the champions in the past 2 dozen years.....they're always the same. what brought parity to college was good players from the top teams leaving early.. imagine hood and parker staying at duke next year.

put miami and indy in the west, get rid of the east, and that is a better approximation of yesterday's game.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#55 » by VideoGameJames » Sat Jun 7, 2014 11:06 pm

1UPZ wrote:
number1joker wrote:No disrespect to Russel but if he played in the nba today he wouldnt have nearly as many titles, especially 8 in a row.

That's basically impossible for a modern NBA team to do.

For that reason alone teams like Shaq's LAkers, Jordans Bulls and Duncans Spurs are all far more impressive dynastys imo.



If it wasnt for Bill Russel, NBA wouldnt probably be this big and Lebron probably wouldnt be born or atleast he wont be playing basketball...


You have to compare in context..... in 100 years time when some elite humans can grow to 8 feet and move like guards and score 50ppg, would that disregard everything happening NOW?

LOL if a new Hitler arose and tried to shoot for that superhuman race with a eugenics system it would still take thousands of years for that to happen.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#56 » by Wizkids12345 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 11:09 pm

All I know is that when he played there were only the semifinals and the finals. Two playoff series. And one year he played two teams with losing records to win the championship. And there was no cap so you could stack as much talent as needed. Just stating facts.


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Post#57 » by Hans Embiid » Sat Jun 7, 2014 11:14 pm

littlerock2277 wrote:Deandre jordon would be able to do the same thing bill russell did back in his era


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Post#58 » by HotRocks34 » Sat Jun 7, 2014 11:23 pm

Wizkids12345 wrote:All I know is that when he played there were only the semifinals and the finals. Two playoff series. And one year he played two teams with losing records to win the championship. And there was no cap so you could stack as much talent as needed. Just stating facts.


As much as I respect Russell, this information is probably also important to keep in perspective, IMO.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#59 » by GuyverX » Sat Jun 7, 2014 11:28 pm

This is seriously a stealth brag statement. Oh, I don't remember how many rings I have. I lost count after the 5th.

Also ITT: we learn that LeBron owes his entire existence to Bill Russell.
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Re: Bill Russell: I lost track of how many championships I w 

Post#60 » by D.Brasco » Sun Jun 8, 2014 12:14 am

I'm honestly a bit surprised the league at the time didn't try to take actions to limit the dominance of the 60's celtics? They took actions on individual players dominance like passing certain things to limit Wilt's impact but in a relatively young league at the time one team winning almost every championship seems like something that might have raised some concerns?

People today talk about how the fact that only a few teams seem to be able to compete as an issue but imagine if there was just one team really winning?

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