LeBron's impact on the floor

[JohnsHopkins]

I hate lebron as much as anyone, but I am extremely impressed with him this post season. He is the lone superstar and bosh is his all-star counter punch. If he can win this title (with the little help he has received) I would welcome discussion for him him to possibly go down as a top 5 player .

He is the real superman, not that weak ass ninja dwight.

[infinite11285]

Miami PS (17 G):

Lebron ON: 115.8 ORTG, 105.8 DRTG, +10.0 Net

Lebron OFF: 111.4 ORTG, 119.5 DRTG, -8.1 Net

Spoiler:

+18.0 Net ON/OFF

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Miami offense still at +12.7 through 17 games now, with 2 home games in Miami coming. They were able to sustain a 127 ORTG against Indiana at home so I don't think 120ish is out of the realm of possibility.

In the Spurs series:

Lebron ON: 111.8 ORTG, 103.5 DRTG, +8.3 Net

Lebron OFF: 95.7 ORTG, 147.8 DRTG, -52.2 Net

+60.4 Net

That is a crazy stat. We all acknowledge basketball is a team sport but when one guy can turn that concept on it's head and trump a better team, you just have to tip your cap to him. It really brings to light just how special the super elite players are.

[choppermagic]

Their entire system is geared around Lebron, just like it was in Cleveland. Of course they will look crappy without him. That's the danger of it and the bonus is that it makes Lebron look great when everything runs through him.

[infinite11285]

Their entire system is geared around Lebron, just like it was in Cleveland. Of course they will look crappy without him. That's the danger of it and the bonus is that it makes Lebron look great when everything runs through him.

Using your logic, what are you inferring about Wade and Bosh?

[hype_2004]

Lebron has been doing this since middle school, he carries his team on his back. He makes the others better by just being around them on the floor, he opens up so much space and his impact on defense is tremendous. He has made crap coaches like Mike Brown seem competent and has made average coaches like Spoelstra like a genius.

[Rerisen]

Miami PS (17 G):

Lebron ON: 115.8 ORTG, 105.8 DRTG, +10.0 Net

Lebron OFF: 111.4 ORTG, 119.5 DRTG, -8.1 Net

Spoiler:

+18.0 Net ON/OFF

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Miami offense still at +12.7 through 17 games now, with 2 home games in Miami coming. They were able to sustain a 127 ORTG against Indiana at home so I don't think 120ish is out of the realm of possibility.

In the Spurs series:

Lebron ON: 111.8 ORTG, 103.5 DRTG, +8.3 Net

Lebron OFF: 95.7 ORTG, 147.8 DRTG, -52.2 Net

+60.4 Net

People are overreacting to the Spurs number. It will look nice in the history books, but the Spurs number is by far majority built on that epic 4-7 minute psychological and mental collapse resulting from cramp-gate.

As Spoelstra correctly pointed out, it was a massive gut punch to Miami to see their leader hobbling and unable to even move asking out at such a critical point.

Miami looked enormously better without LBJ vs Indiana. Which is not to say his impact is anything less than great, naturally as we saw last night in a more normal game. But in this particular series its inflation is clearly the product of a special circumstance so far.

[SideshowBob]

Miami PS (17 G):

Lebron ON: 115.8 ORTG, 105.8 DRTG, +10.0 Net

Lebron OFF: 111.4 ORTG, 119.5 DRTG, -8.1 Net

Spoiler:

+18.0 Net ON/OFF

---------------------------------------------------------------

Miami offense still at +12.7 through 17 games now, with 2 home games in Miami coming. They were able to sustain a 127 ORTG against Indiana at home so I don't think 120ish is out of the realm of possibility.

In the Spurs series:

Lebron ON: 111.8 ORTG, 103.5 DRTG, +8.3 Net

Lebron OFF: 95.7 ORTG, 147.8 DRTG, -52.2 Net

+60.4 Net

People are overreacting to the Spurs number. It will look nice in the history books, but the Spurs number is by far majority built on that epic 4-7 minute psychological and mental collapse resulting from cramp-gate.

As Spo correctly pointed out, it was a massive gut punch to Miami to see their leader hobbling and unable to even move asking out at such a critical point.

Miami looked fine at times without LBJ vs Indiana. Which is not to say his impact is anything less than great, naturally as we saw last night in a more normal game. But in this particular series its inflation is clearly the product of a special circumstance so far.

I doubt it even sustains, Miami's been pretty solid all year with James off the floor, particularly at home. All it would take is one good run and that OFF number comes back to earth.

[Tacoma]

Part of the reason I think is that Spoelstra's offense appears to be entirely focussed on Lebron as the centerpiece, so when you take the centerpiece out, such as when he's resting, MIA functions much less effectively.

I watched the game and sometimes it looks like Lebron with the Cavs with Lebron carrying the ball and everyone else standing around watching most of the time. MIA's "Big 3" has been reduced to "Big 1" because both Wade and Bosh have been reduced to spectators most of the time Lebron's on the floor.

In the first year of the Big 3 playing together, there were times when Wade would take charge, but now it seems to be all Lebron. Bosh certainly showed late in the game that given the opportunity, he can make a difference. The Lebron show seems to be working but Spoelstra might do better getting Wade and Bosh more involved.

[James40]

LeBron is the 2nd best player ever already. It's embarrassing that people seriously think guys like Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc (as great as they were) were more dominant than this guy. A 3-peat firmly entrenches him in the #2 spot of all-time.

& this is why Lebron gets so much hate.

You don't counter that hate with ridiculous statements.

There's nothing ridiculous about it. Besides Jordan, there hasn't been a better player to ever play the game. It should become the popular opinion in about 3-4 years and will almost assuredly be a fact by the time he retires.

Nothing against the 60s, 70s or 80s greats, or even against Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, etc - but they were not as good as LeBron.

Since you probably didn't see Wilt or Russell (neither did I) its impossible to compare him. I was was born 1972 so I grew up watching Jordan, Magic, and Bird. The best barbershop description of Wilt is Shaq with Jordans athletic ability. Chamberlain and Russell averaged 45 minutes a game for their careers who in this era could do that? Surely not Lebron...

Why can't Lebron just be the best in his era? You can't go back, like Tiger vs Jack or Ali vs Tyson.

[pipfan]

I started watching NBA in about 1978-LBJ is the second best player I have seen. And I HATE him (sports fan hate-not real hate). there is no logical argument to keep him out of any top 10-and I am pretty sure he will end up consensus #2 to MJ.

[H20FAN]

I started watching NBA in about 1978-LBJ is the second best player I have seen. And I HATE him (sports fan hate-not real hate). there is no logical argument to keep him out of any top 10-and I am pretty sure he will end up consensus #2 to MJ.

just curious, where is kobe on your list? like 6th?

[abark]

Lebron is obviously going to be a little light on some of the accolades and accomplishments compared to the top five all time guys, since he still has a lot of career left. But regardless, his trajectory right now looks like he will easily make it into the consensus top 5. It's only a matter of time.

[JonFromVA]

Their entire system is geared around Lebron, just like it was in Cleveland. Of course they will look crappy without him. That's the danger of it and the bonus is that it makes Lebron look great when everything runs through him.

Using your logic, what are you inferring about Wade and Bosh?

Chopper makes a valid point. When James was out in game #1, suddenly the Heat didn't know what to do.

Wade knew what to do... get him the ball, and run the offense through him, but it seemed his teammates forgot.

[ThereIsNoSpork]

It's because "He went in flour, came out cake".

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[NapoleonII]

They're a better team with Lebron as the "Big 1" as someone mentioned. His talent level, his athleticism and overall game-making decisions dictate everything on offense, as it should.

I sort of imagined the "Big 3" forming this cohesive, beautiful offense, with Lebron having all around stats, Wade being a 23-24ppg playmaker and Bosh spreading the floor, but it's wasting what Lebron can do, what players like Jordan and Kobe could do - single-handily destroy the defense. Mid-range jumpshots, transition buckets, three's, putting his head down and getting a lay up or dishing to open jumpers.

Lebron dominating with Wade and Bosh chipping in results in a team that simply overpowers other teams. Too much talent, too much outside shooting. When you add in good passing and unselfish team play, it's the best offensive combination. Props to Spo for letting this happen.

[infinite11285]

Their entire system is geared around Lebron, just like it was in Cleveland. Of course they will look crappy without him. That's the danger of it and the bonus is that it makes Lebron look great when everything runs through him.

Using your logic, what are you inferring about Wade and Bosh?

Chopper makes a valid point. When James was out in game #1, suddenly the Heat didn't know what to do.

Wade knew what to do... get him the ball, and run the offense through him, but it seemed his teammates forgot.

Game 1 was an aberration for varies reasons. The Heat aren't that bad without LeBron typically. The production does falter a bit when he rests but it doesn't plummet as it did in Game 1.

[Massamba]

Their entire system is geared around Lebron, just like it was in Cleveland. Of course they will look crappy without him. That's the danger of it and the bonus is that it makes Lebron look great when everything runs through him.

Using your logic, what are you inferring about Wade and Bosh?

Chopper makes a valid point. When James was out in game #1, suddenly the Heat didn't know what to do.

Wade knew what to do... get him the ball, and run the offense through him, but it seemed his teammates forgot.

Chalmers made huge mistakes in offense at that moment and it was too late for Wade. And Wade defense was horrible , it didn't help. I think it's more psychological than LeBron's impact on the game. When they saw he couldn't even make a step, they felt like the game and maybe the season was over. I'm sure they would feel the same way if Wade could move.

[Moreno53]

The Heat offence does go through Lebron....as it should. Any other system would be foolish considering the personnel. Lebron is the best player and best basketball decision maker on the planet, its almost impossible to defend against when he is running it and as witnessed today impossible to defend against when he is hitting his midrange. The difference between Cleveland and Miami is the talent level of his role players. They have the ability and basketball IQ to advantage of all the attention LBJ gets, last night it was Bosh, tomorrow or Thurs it will be Wade who drops 25 pts, with Ray Allen having another 20 pt game as well.

On the defence end....he simply erases the opposing teams primary offensive weapon.

[Cowbulls]

I'm going to try to put the "Lebron hate" into perspective. Now me personally, I don't like him and I don't hate him. I acknowledge him as the best player to play in the NBA in quite some time..saying that, here's my opinion on the hate.

Man and wife are married for 7 years. Wife's name is Tiffany and Husband's name is Ben. Tiffany is hands down the best looking gal in town. She want's a boob job but her husband doesn't make enough. So.... Tiff gathers all of his friends and family up together. Stands up and tings on here glass..."eh heem", as she clears her throat, " I have an announcement to make!" The husband smiling in the corner talking to his friends about his latest golf round, perks up to listen to his wife, (whom he's madly in love with)

She goes on, " As you know me and Ben are married, I love Ben and he will always be a part of me but....as we all know I'm the hottest girl in town, and well my fine piece of ass needs a pare of boobs to go with it, with that I found a man named Carlos, he is a doctor and he's giving me a boob job tomorrow...Also were getting married next week!!!!

Then for the rest of Ben's life all he hears is, " Wow Tiffany is the hottest girl in town, and wow you could never give her those nice boobs. "

In this story:

Tiffany = Lebron
Ben = Cavs fans/ Cavs organization
Carlos = Heat / Real actual heat fans / Dwayne Wade
Ben's relatives at the party = fans of other teams / casual NBA fans
Tiffany's relatives = People who are in love with Lebron / Bandwaggon fans / No favorite team, just Lebron fan

Thus creates the never ending cycle of Tiffany's relatives and Tiffany not understanding why Ben and all of Ben's family hate Tiffany.

[PaulieWal]

Thus creates the never ending cycle of Tiffany's relatives and Tiffany not understanding why Ben and all of Ben's family hate Tiffany.

Eh, nice try but using a "boob job" as the reason for the divorce projects a level of superficiality on "Tiffany" and makes "Ben" (the Cavs organization) a sympathetic character. That's not really fair to what actually happened in Cleveland. A more fair analogy would be that Tiffany wanted to settle down but Ben kept on finding excuses not to marry her just yet. Fed up, she found "Carlos" who was ready to settle down with her right away and married her. My story isn't that good either but it's better than the "boob job" reason .