rookies: best, sleeper, bust

[WiggOuts]

Best: Embiid. I'm choosing to ignore injury for this one. I'm also of the mind that Wiggins is going to be extremely good. Based on college I would have said Parker, but he looks like he got fat this summer. That concerns me. Not putting him down as a bust though.

Bust: I'll do several.

(a) Gordon: For the life of me, this was the most perplexing pick in the draft. I admit to seeing very little of him in college. But of what I did see, I saw this: An athletic, short power forward with no basketball skills.

(b) Vonleh: I don't get it.

(c) Harris: There's a reason he took that fall, in my opinion. I see nothing special here. Perhaps I shouldn't say "bust" since he went 19th and I think he'll be a contributing NBA player, which is reasonable value at 19. But I don't even see "good starter" when I look at this guy, let alone a meaningful difference maker.

(d) Napier: Bust. Complete and total bust. Miami will look like fools for drafting him to appease LeBron.

Sleeper: Cleanthony Early. I think he'll prove to be excellent second round value.

That's ship has sailed considering said player isn't on the team anymore

[LoveMyRaps]

Best: Wiggins, and Lavine
Sleeper: Payton and Anderson
Bust: Vonleh and McBuckets

[LloydFree]

Best : 1. Nerlens Noel 2. Jabari Parker

Sleep: 1. Kyle Anderson 2. Nick Johnson

Bust : 1. Julius Randle 2. Doug McDermott

[DuckIII]

Best: Embiid. I'm choosing to ignore injury for this one. I'm also of the mind that Wiggins is going to be extremely good. Based on college I would have said Parker, but he looks like he got fat this summer. That concerns me. Not putting him down as a bust though.

Bust: I'll do several.

(a) Gordon: For the life of me, this was the most perplexing pick in the draft. I admit to seeing very little of him in college. But of what I did see, I saw this: An athletic, short power forward with no basketball skills.

(b) Vonleh: I don't get it.

(c) Harris: There's a reason he took that fall, in my opinion. I see nothing special here. Perhaps I shouldn't say "bust" since he went 19th and I think he'll be a contributing NBA player, which is reasonable value at 19. But I don't even see "good starter" when I look at this guy, let alone a meaningful difference maker.

(d) Napier: Bust. Complete and total bust. Miami will look like fools for drafting him to appease LeBron.

Sleeper: Cleanthony Early. I think he'll prove to be excellent second round value.

That's ship has sailed considering said player isn't on the team anymore

Napier isn't on the Heat?

[Left Side Drive]

Best: Wiggins, Dante Exum, Jabari
Sleeper: Dante Exum, Gordon
Bust: Payton, Napier

Notes:

Best/Sleeper - Dante Exum, Kobe's Australian bastard child with a bit of Penny Hardaway DNA tucked in somehow. First step like the Flash and vision like Stockton.

Wiggins & Parker - As what was advertised, an athletic wing with solid defense and developing mid range game in Wiggins, and a natural scorer in Parker

Gordon - I can see his athleticism taking over similar to how Blake Griffin excelled as a rookie. Hopefully though he can develop into at least half of what Blake is offensively and turn into a decent defender.

Payton - is definitely being hyped up a little too much. Not really that outstanding and will need a good system to allow him to do well in.

Napier - excelled at UConn but will be a chucker in the NBA. Shooting percentages will be worse then even rookie Kemba without much upside.

[YouMustBeJoakim]

I saved the best for last. I think Gordon and Exum are going to megabust. Gordon will be a forever raw hustle athlete that can't seem to find an offensive/defensive identity, even though he'll be a good role playing rebounder. Exum, Mr. Lightning first step, says he's a PG, but isn't a gifted passer or playmaker. He doesn't really have a good shot either. So, he's a really frail 6'6 PG that can't do PG things, shoot, or finish at the rim through any contact.

That honestly sounds like the definition of a bust, "post-busting". I like the character of the guy and I like what he could become (Penny Hardaway 2).. but his ceiling's height isn't nearly as low as his floor's depth. I won't change my opinion of him until I see him develop in the direction of the hype. He has literally only ONE quality right now.. a great first step. Maybe 2. He has a great video game name.

These are pretty baseless comments. Finishing at the rim was one of his strengths pre-draft according to scouts.

And some of his passes in SL were special -- great timing and touch.

[WiggOuts]

Best: Embiid. I'm choosing to ignore injury for this one. I'm also of the mind that Wiggins is going to be extremely good. Based on college I would have said Parker, but he looks like he got fat this summer. That concerns me. Not putting him down as a bust though.

Bust: I'll do several.

(a) Gordon: For the life of me, this was the most perplexing pick in the draft. I admit to seeing very little of him in college. But of what I did see, I saw this: An athletic, short power forward with no basketball skills.

(b) Vonleh: I don't get it.

(c) Harris: There's a reason he took that fall, in my opinion. I see nothing special here. Perhaps I shouldn't say "bust" since he went 19th and I think he'll be a contributing NBA player, which is reasonable value at 19. But I don't even see "good starter" when I look at this guy, let alone a meaningful difference maker.

(d) Napier: Bust. Complete and total bust. Miami will look like fools for drafting him to appease LeBron.

Sleeper: Cleanthony Early. I think he'll prove to be excellent second round value.

That's ship has sailed considering said player isn't on the team anymore

Napier isn't on the Heat?

Im obviously talking about Lebron. Kind of funny how he went out of his way to compliment Napier to the point of MIA trading to draft him. a parting gift maybe?

[inquisitive]

sleeper--nick johnson

[DuckIII]

That's ship has sailed considering said player isn't on the team anymore

Napier isn't on the Heat?

Im obviously talking about Lebron. Kind of funny how he went out of his way to compliment Napier to the point of MIA trading to draft him. a parting gift maybe?

I guess I didn't understand your "ship has sailed" comment. The fact that LeBron lobbied for Napier and then left, will make Miami look even more foolish if (when?) Napier proves to be a huge bust. That guy had no business being drafted anywhere near the first round. Not that I'm rooting against the guy. I loved his heart and balls in college. But I don't see anything resembling an NBA player there at all.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Best: Parker
Sleeper: Harriston
Bust: Exum

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[Hans Embiid]

Best Wiggins and McBuckets
Sleeper Warren
Bust Parker and Randle

[twozeroMM]

Going to go non-Sixers so as not to be a complete homer

Best: Smart
Sleeper: Elfrid Payton
Bust: Parker

In regards to Parker being a bust its going to come down on how you evaluate players. I think Parker is going to put up large scoring numbers, make all-star teams and in the end be Carmelo 2.0. I think Carmelo is vastly overrated and that it doesn't matter if you score 30 if you give up 28 at the same time. So there will be those that will view Jabari as one of the best 3 players in this class. I just don't know if he will be as good as casual fans will think he is or the eventual max contract he will demand.

So would you say Melo is a bust?

[khufure]

Sleeper: Bruno Caboclo. I know I'm going to sound biased just cause I'm a Raptors fan, but he's a sponge and has incredible work ethic, the two things you want most from young players. He's incredibly raw but he has a nice foundation for his game. He can stroke the ball, take it to the hole, and is a willing passer. And even if he doesn't pan out he can already shoot the ball pretty well and can mold himself to be a defensive player. If he just becomes a 3+D player that's not too bad. This is an age already dominated by SFs and will only get stronger in the future even after LeBron's decline, teams will be clamoring for 3+D players at the SF spot.

well no.. I want my young players to already be good players with upside.

sorry Rap-bro but I'm putting Caboclo down as obvious bust. in 4 years.

[Kabookalu]

well no.. I want my young players to already be good players with upside.

sorry Rap-bro but I'm putting Caboclo down as obvious bust. in 4 years.

Umm that doesn't make sense. If he was already good with upside he wouldn't be a sleeper pick and he wouldn't have fallen down to 20. And most people don't even rate him highly, for you to think he'll be a bust implies you think he'll be Adam Morrison bad.

[jmnvcavs]

Best: Wiggins, Exum
Sleeper: Vonleh, Payton, Warren, McGary
Bust: Embiid

[Bankai]

Best: Wiggins
Sleeper: Stauskas
Bust: Embiid

[Blue_and_Whte]

Best: Embiid. I'm choosing to ignore injury for this one. I'm also of the mind that Wiggins is going to be extremely good. Based on college I would have said Parker, but he looks like he got fat this summer. That concerns me. Not putting him down as a bust though.

Bust: I'll do several.

(a) Gordon: For the life of me, this was the most perplexing pick in the draft. I admit to seeing very little of him in college. But of what I did see, I saw this: An athletic, short power forward with no basketball skills.

(b) Vonleh: I don't get it.

(c) Harris: There's a reason he took that fall, in my opinion. I see nothing special here. Perhaps I shouldn't say "bust" since he went 19th and I think he'll be a contributing NBA player, which is reasonable value at 19. But I don't even see "good starter" when I look at this guy, let alone a meaningful difference maker.

(d) Napier: Bust. Complete and total bust. Miami will look like fools for drafting him to appease LeBron.

Sleeper: Cleanthony Early. I think he'll prove to be excellent second round value.

Gordon has exceptional handles, passing, and defense. I get that its your opinion and I respect that but its just that id like to refute your claim that he has no basketball skills.

I dont think he will be a bust, but if he did it wouldnt surprise me if he falls in tweenerville.

However, compared to guys like Beasley and Derrick Williams hes already so much better defensively, and hustles so, much more than those guys I feel like at the very least those two, traits will carry over.

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[khufure]

Umm that doesn't make sense. If he was already good with upside he wouldn't be a sleeper pick and he wouldn't have fallen down to 20. And most people don't even rate him highly, for you to think he'll be a bust implies you think he'll be Adam Morrison bad.

20th pick is normally "hope this one turns into a role player". but in a loaded|deep draft, 20th pick is not a typical 20th pick. I think there is a good chance ~5 players picked after 20 will be starters in the nba.

welp he's got upside. I don't really mean to rain on your parade, maybe it'll work out. but IMO it's more likely to not happen than to happen.

[wickedwrister]

Going to go non-Sixers so as not to be a complete homer

Best: Smart
Sleeper: Elfrid Payton
Bust: Parker

In regards to Parker being a bust its going to come down on how you evaluate players. I think Parker is going to put up large scoring numbers, make all-star teams and in the end be Carmelo 2.0. I think Carmelo is vastly overrated and that it doesn't matter if you score 30 if you give up 28 at the same time. So there will be those that will view Jabari as one of the best 3 players in this class. I just don't know if he will be as good as casual fans will think he is or the eventual max contract he will demand.

So would you say Melo is a bust?

I would say that Melo is vastly overrated and Parker will be too. Bust may be a bit harsh for both but I took it as what guy will not live up to what is expected of them. I don't think Parker will be even as good as Melo in particular in regards to his rebounding. I think people expect Parker to be a top forward in the league and I don't think he will get there.

[Kabookalu]

20th pick is normally "hope this one turns into a role player". but in a loaded|deep draft, 20th pick is not a typical 20th pick. I think there is a good chance ~5 players picked after 20 will be starters in the nba.

welp he's got upside. I don't really mean to rain on your parade, maybe it'll work out. but IMO it's more likely to not happen than to happen.

Not saying it was going to guaranteed to work out, but busts are associated with lottery picks, not late first round picks. Even if this was a loaded draft I doubt anyone will care if Mitch McGary, Rodney Hood, or Clint Capela end up performing way below expectations. Perry Jones in his draft was a projected lottery pick that fell at the bottom end of the first round, there's hardly a whisper of him being a bust.