SH: Top 10 PG rankings

[Kings2013]

Lillard too high but the list is understandable with solid reasoning.

A PG list is hard to rate because of how there are different styles of PGs.

Breaking them down by USG and AST helps divide the list.

But I can follow the reasoning of this list as I can see how some would rank them differently

Giving Rondo the props he deserved from past play before injury is legit. Dude is average 9.8 assists last year in 33 minutes and a not so great team playing only 30 after returning from injury. FG% was down but that likely returns to his norm this year.

If Rondo actually gets traded, some team will be getting a real good player.

That player might not exist again is the problem. Gotta base it on today

[realball]

Conley over Lowry? Absolutely ridiculous. Lowry is better in almost every important stat. More efficient, better shooter, gets more assists, better AST/TO ratio, better defender, better leader.

Curry is clearly the second-best PG after Paul, I don't think it is debatable.

If we can't give Rose the benefit of the doubt after an injury, then we shouldn't give it to Rondo either.

[Austincys21]

Why do people keep ranking Westbrook over curry?? Curry is much more effcient player. Westbrook shot like 42% last year. Curry finished better from 3 and in the paint, better playmaker too

Westbrook is also an elite defender

[KD35Brah]

Curry is the 2nd best PG in the league.

No discussion needed.

[og15]

Curry being #2 is more of a joke than Curry being #5

Curry is at the very least Top 3, so I wouldn't say it's more of a joke. I can see the reasoning behind Curry being #2 (not that I fully agree with it):

Curry was better in the regular season and played far more games than Westbrook, but Westbrook played better in the playoffs. It evens out.

Curry faced an entire team defensive plan devoted to stopping him and him alone in the playoffs. People act like he was shut down when despite the defense he faced he still averaged 23 pts 8.5 assists on elite efficiency 60% TS.

Westbrook meanwhile played alongside the NBA MVP, and Curry still was far more efficient than westbrook in the playoffs. People talking about westbrook's ridiculous raw stats in the playoffs ignore the fact that he shot them out of as many games as he won them, and really was an inefficient chucker scoring the ball. Great rebounder though.

Playoff comparison:

23 pts 8.4 ast 3.6 rpg 3.8 TO on 60% TS

26.7 pts 8.1 ast 7.3 rpg 4.4 TO on 54% TS

The only area where Westbrook was better than curry in the playoffs was in rebounding. The fact that curry was so efficient despite facing a defense geared completely against him, while westbrook was inefficient playing alongside the NBA MVP speaks volumes IMO.

In the regular season Curry's 2014 season was much better than any of westbrook's healthy seasons.

24 pts 8.5 ast 4.3 rpg 3.8 TO on 61% TS and 47.2/42.4/88.5 shooting splits

21.8 pts 6.9 ast 5.7 rpg 3.8 TO on 54% TS and 43.7/31.8/82.6 shooting splits

People who put westbrook > curry just really overvalue athleticism, the numbers are pretty 1 sided. And Westbrook is not a vastly better impact defender than curry to make up for the obvious offensive gap. Not singling anyone out, it's a popular opinion

Clippers as a team didn't have the capability to defend like Memphis or SA. To be fair, Westbrook did kill the Clippers and was more efficient than Steph vs LAC, but of course Durant being there can help.

Vs LAC Westbrook put up 27.8 PPG, 8.8 APG, 4.2 TPG, ton of FT's and 61.8% TS, 49/35/88
Vs SA, 26.8 PPG, 7.3 APG, 4.0 TPG, 54% TS and 41/28/91

Last time Curry played SA in the playoffs, 22.5 PPG, 6.8 APG, 3.3 TPG, 51% TS and 41/35/82

So I don't know, there are some things to consider there to get a full picture.

[Frank Dux]

And Dragic continues to be criminally underrated...

There is absolutely no reason why Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard, or Rajon Rondo should be ranked above him.

Kyrie? lousy teammate(or bad leader), underwhelming floor vision, very poor defense, and goes into chuck mode often. He's regressed every season, and is not a difference maker at this point. Isaiah Thomas put up better stats than Irving- talk about overrated... Lebron will help the mess Kyrie made, but for now, he doesn't deserve to be ranked so highly.

Lillard? Nice young player, clutch as hell, but Lillard has the luxury of playing with one of the best bigs in the league, while Dragic nearly carried a mediocre team to the playoffs in the west. Dragic puts up better stats across the board.

Rondo? Great player, but has missed way too much time. He doesn't deserve top ten recognition until he earns it again.


Based off last season, Dragic is in the same league as Curry, CP3, Westbrook and Parker.

[Village Idiot]

This kind of list really boils down to what you want to measure. For some folks stats is everything. For me it's winning and for that Parker comes out on top.

I like that he has Parker so high. Tony Parker is a winner, plain and simple. What does it help that Westbrook overdribbles, jacks up bad shots and doesn't defer to his superior teammate? Chris Paul? You have the team now, no more excuses. Curry puts up really nice numbers and is winning some ballgames.


Tier 1
1. Parker
2. Paul
3. Curry
4. Westbrook



Tier 2
5. Lillard
6. Conley
7. Wall
8. Irving

Lillard is a total freaking stud. When he improves his defense, draws some more fouls and takes the Blazers up another notch in the playoffs he should justify a top 5 ranking. I only have him their becuase none of the guys below him deserve it more. Conley is always underrated but gets it done and is steadily improving. Wall showed great improvement last season and Irving was reasonably solid.



Tier 3.
9. Dragic
10. Lowry
11. Lawson

The guys in tier 3 are lacking just a bit to make tier 2.

tbd: Rose, Rondo - neither of these guys have looked good back from injury

[day1086]

Curry is at the very least Top 3, so I wouldn't say it's more of a joke. I can see the reasoning behind Curry being #2 (not that I fully agree with it):

Curry was better in the regular season and played far more games than Westbrook, but Westbrook played better in the playoffs. It evens out.

Curry faced an entire team defensive plan devoted to stopping him and him alone in the playoffs. People act like he was shut down when despite the defense he faced he still averaged 23 pts 8.5 assists on elite efficiency 60% TS.

Westbrook meanwhile played alongside the NBA MVP, and Curry still was far more efficient than westbrook in the playoffs. People talking about westbrook's ridiculous raw stats in the playoffs ignore the fact that he shot them out of as many games as he won them, and really was an inefficient chucker scoring the ball. Great rebounder though.

Playoff comparison:

23 pts 8.4 ast 3.6 rpg 3.8 TO on 60% TS

26.7 pts 8.1 ast 7.3 rpg 4.4 TO on 54% TS

The only area where Westbrook was better than curry in the playoffs was in rebounding. The fact that curry was so efficient despite facing a defense geared completely against him, while westbrook was inefficient playing alongside the NBA MVP speaks volumes IMO.

In the regular season Curry's 2014 season was much better than any of westbrook's healthy seasons.

24 pts 8.5 ast 4.3 rpg 3.8 TO on 61% TS and 47.2/42.4/88.5 shooting splits

21.8 pts 6.9 ast 5.7 rpg 3.8 TO on 54% TS and 43.7/31.8/82.6 shooting splits

People who put westbrook > curry just really overvalue athleticism, the numbers are pretty 1 sided. And Westbrook is not a vastly better impact defender than curry to make up for the obvious offensive gap. Not singling anyone out, it's a popular opinion

Clippers as a team didn't have the capability to defend like Memphis or SA. To be fair, Westbrook did kill the Clippers and was more efficient than Steph vs LAC, but of course Durant being there can help.

Vs LAC Westbrook put up 27.8 PPG, 8.8 APG, 4.2 TPG, ton of FT's and 61.8% TS, 49/35/88
Vs SA, 26.8 PPG, 7.3 APG, 4.0 TPG, 54% TS and 41/28/91

Last time Curry played SA in the playoffs, 22.5 PPG, 6.8 APG, 3.3 TPG, 51% TS and 41/35/82

So I don't know, there are some things to consider there to get a full picture.

A fair response, though I would not reference the curry vs spurs series as he was very severely limited from game 2 onward based on injury. He was taking pain injections to his ankle just to play and then just sat in corners while Jack was the main ballhandler. He lit the spurs up in game 1 when healthy

But on-topic I will just say Curry's regular season was significantly better than any of Westbrook's seasons to this point, and so I think ranking westbrook > curry is at the very least highly debatable. I don't think it's egregious to believe either one is the better player, but in my mind it is easily Curry. I think if you switch their teams curry on OKC would win a championship while Westbrook on GSW would miss the playoffs.

[KD35Brah]

This kind of list really boils down to what you want to measure. For some folks stats is everything. For me it's winning and for that Parker comes out on top.

I like that he has Parker so high. Tony Parker is a winner, plain and simple. What does it help that Westbrook overdribbles, jacks up bad shots and doesn't defer to his superior teammate? Chris Paul? You have the team now, no more excuses. Curry puts up really nice numbers and is winning some ballgames.


Tier 1
1. Parker
2. Paul
3. Curry
4. Westbrook



Tier 2
5. Lillard
6. Conley
7. Wall
8. Irving

Lillard is a total freaking stud. When he improves his defense, draws some more fouls and takes the Blazers up another notch in the playoffs he should justify a top 5 ranking. I only have him their becuase none of the guys below him deserve it more. Conley is always underrated but gets it done and is steadily improving. Wall showed great improvement last season and Irving was reasonably solid.



Tier 3.
9. Dragic
10. Lowry
11. Lawson

The guys in tier 3 are lacking just a bit to make tier 2.

tbd: Rose, Rondo - neither of these guys have looked good back from injury

The Spurs were better with Parker OFF the floor in the RS and PS. No top PG has that type of negative impact. That's embarrassing for any top guard.

Also there is no reason for why Dragic and Lowry are lower than Parker, Lillard, Conley, and Irving.

My top 5:
CP3
Curry
Russ
Dragic
Lowry

[manou]

Is Parker really number 2

Id put him at a level under steph, Paul and Russell.

And then who knows

Who knows ? Parker plays in a very different system compared to the others. He may the best for that system (a winning championship system).


But like many others stated here, Paul, Curry, Westbrook and Parker are pretty clearly the top 4 PGs in the nba. The order may fluctuate, but if your team has one of those four, well you're in a very good position.

[og15]

Curry faced an entire team defensive plan devoted to stopping him and him alone in the playoffs. People act like he was shut down when despite the defense he faced he still averaged 23 pts 8.5 assists on elite efficiency 60% TS.

Westbrook meanwhile played alongside the NBA MVP, and Curry still was far more efficient than westbrook in the playoffs. People talking about westbrook's ridiculous raw stats in the playoffs ignore the fact that he shot them out of as many games as he won them, and really was an inefficient chucker scoring the ball. Great rebounder though.

Playoff comparison:

23 pts 8.4 ast 3.6 rpg 3.8 TO on 60% TS

26.7 pts 8.1 ast 7.3 rpg 4.4 TO on 54% TS

The only area where Westbrook was better than curry in the playoffs was in rebounding. The fact that curry was so efficient despite facing a defense geared completely against him, while westbrook was inefficient playing alongside the NBA MVP speaks volumes IMO.

In the regular season Curry's 2014 season was much better than any of westbrook's healthy seasons.

24 pts 8.5 ast 4.3 rpg 3.8 TO on 61% TS and 47.2/42.4/88.5 shooting splits

21.8 pts 6.9 ast 5.7 rpg 3.8 TO on 54% TS and 43.7/31.8/82.6 shooting splits

People who put westbrook > curry just really overvalue athleticism, the numbers are pretty 1 sided. And Westbrook is not a vastly better impact defender than curry to make up for the obvious offensive gap. Not singling anyone out, it's a popular opinion

Clippers as a team didn't have the capability to defend like Memphis or SA. To be fair, Westbrook did kill the Clippers and was more efficient than Steph vs LAC, but of course Durant being there can help.

Vs LAC Westbrook put up 27.8 PPG, 8.8 APG, 4.2 TPG, ton of FT's and 61.8% TS, 49/35/88
Vs SA, 26.8 PPG, 7.3 APG, 4.0 TPG, 54% TS and 41/28/91

Last time Curry played SA in the playoffs, 22.5 PPG, 6.8 APG, 3.3 TPG, 51% TS and 41/35/82

So I don't know, there are some things to consider there to get a full picture.

A fair response, though I would not reference the curry vs spurs series as he was very severely limited from game 2 onward based on injury. He was taking pain injections to his ankle just to play and then just sat in corners while Jack was the main ballhandler. He lit the spurs up in game 1 when healthy

But on-topic I will just say Curry's regular season was significantly better than any of Westbrook's seasons to this point, and so I think ranking westbrook > curry is at the very least highly debatable. I don't think it's egregious to believe either one is the better player, but in my mind it is easily Curry. I think if you switch their teams curry on OKC would win a championship while Westbrook on GSW would miss the playoffs.

I thought Steph had some injury but I couldn't remember and didn't want to check, but yea, and actual significant injury is a legitimate reasoning for less performance.

I think they are close either way, so to me if one person takes one or the other it's perfectly fine.

Now I don't agree OKC would win the championship as I don't think they beat SA with that switch, and I think Curry (who still did well) is "easier" to guard for thre Clippers than Westbrook was. I also don't think they beat Miami if they even got last SA, but Warriors would be likely to miss the playoffs with Westbrook last season because of all the games he missed, that is true.

[og15]

Is Parker really number 2

Id put him at a level under steph, Paul and Russell.

And then who knows

Who knows ? Parker plays in a very different system compared to the others. He may the best for that system (a winning championship system).


But like many others stated here, Paul, Curry, Westbrook and Parker are pretty clearly the top 4 PGs in the nba. The order may fluctuate, but if your team has one of those four, well you're in a very good position.

They are all on very good teams, OKC even made the finals. Parker is on a team that wins, but these are all very good players, nothing really suggests they wouldn't be just as good for a "winning championship system" if their teams had the overall talent and compliment of players to be just that.

[WhatsMyName]

Lol @ curry 5th

1a. Paul
1b. Curry
3. Westbrook
4. Parker
5. Wall
6. Conley
7. Lillard
8. Kyrie

Is dragic considered a point? If so give him 5th

Putting Curry at the first spot is as laughable as putting him on 5, I have a hard time believing it's even worth a discussion that Paul and Westbrook are better players because for me they are a coupe steps ahead of everybody else.

[dorkestra]

Westbrook
Paul
Curry
Dragic
Lillard
Parker
Lowry
Conley
Rose
Wall

[FinnTheHuman]

I don't know where he is ranked now, but Rubio definitely enters the top 10 in 1 or 2 seasons.

[PZiv]

10. John Wall, Washington
9. Mike Conley, Memphis
8. Goran Dragic, Phoenix
7. Kyrie Irving, Cleveland
6. Rajon Rondo, Boston
5. Stephen Curry, Golden State
4. Damian Lillard, Portland
3. Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City
2. Tony Parker, San Antonio
1. Chris Paul, LA Clippers

My objections:
1. If we can remove Rose and D-Will out, we might aswell leave Rondo
2. Tony Parker honestly isn't any better than Lillard, Curry and Westbrook
3. Conley and Wall are choke jobs, I don't like what I've seen from the in playoffs honestly, especially Conley, who grinded my gears throughout the whole 7 game series being best OKC clutch player.
4. personal prereference

Here's my revised list:
1. Chris Paul, LA Clippers
2. Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City Thunder
3. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
4. Damien Lillard, Portland Trailblazers
5. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
6. Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers(serious question mark due to lack of defense and not being able to propel Cavaliers to playoffs)
7. Kyle Lowry, Toronto Raptors
8. Goran Dragic, Phoenix Suns
9. John Wall, Washington Wizards
10. Mike Conley, Memphis Grizzlies



edit: quotting previous poster. Rubio is defensive stud, but him to be on this list he needs to have 10 ppg on increased efficiency and 10 apg and he is lock on 10th spot.

[WhatsMyName]

Why do people keep ranking Westbrook over curry?? Curry is much more effcient player. Westbrook shot like 42% last year. Curry finished better from 3 and in the paint, better playmaker too

Playing defense is also part of the game and Westbrook is at least a good defender (he gambles too much) when Curry is at best an average defender and needs to be hidden most times.

It amazes me underrated/overlooked defense is once again. Just shows the NBA is right to weaken defenses to make offense easier to please the masses.

[Illmatic12]

lowry outplayed Wall head to head last year. Led the league in charges. He's arguably top 7/8

No he didn't. Wall dropped 30+ on Lowry twice. Rest of the Wiz just didn't show up.

[Illmatic12]

Why do people keep ranking Westbrook over curry?? Curry is much more effcient player. Westbrook shot like 42% last year. Curry finished better from 3 and in the paint, better playmaker too

Playing defense is also part of the game and Westbrook is at least a good defender (he gambles too much) when Curry is at best an average defender and needs to be hidden most times.

It amazes me underrated/overlooked defense is once again. Just shows the NBA is right to weaken defenses to make offense easier to please the masses.

Westbrook is not a good defender, at least he wasn't last year. People look at him getting some steals and think he's playing lock down defense, his gambling and jumping out of position consistently causes team breakdowns in the Thunder's D.

When compared to Steph, Westbrook is nowhere near good enough defensively to make up for Curry's excellence everywhere else.

[TaylorMonkey]

Steph Curry at 5? SMH.