Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career

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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#41 » by BackOnDaBlock » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:44 pm

i was rlly young and remember him on my raptors and it seemed like he waas good for us but than he was traded mayb there was a reason for it ? any1 recall i was prolly like 10 so i dk lol
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#42 » by HotRocks34 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:00 pm

Mark Jackson is a con man. He is not a leader, he is a divider. He is a charlatan.

The reason why this piece is timely now is because of the "Jackson returns to Golden State" drama that unfolded last night. With Jackson being feted by the crowd and making sure to praise himself for GSW's success.

Mark Jackson is now represented by LeBron's management team, I think. If the Cavs ever dream about hiring Mark Jackson someone should stand and repeatedly shout "NO!" in Dan Gilbert's ear until the idea is passed over.

Mark Jackson was an excellent player. He has many devotees still today.

What happened with him and Stockton is absurd, but it fits Jackson's profile based upon what I have seen and read.

Jackson is a wannabe martyr who appears to be uncomfortable putting smart and talented people around him as subordinates. That's not good leadership. It's wanting to make sure you are always 'on top' and no one can challenge your power.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#43 » by tmorgan » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:18 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Mark Jackson is a con man. He is not a leader, he is a divider. He is a charlatan.

The reason why this piece is timely now is because of the "Jackson returns to Golden State" drama that unfolded last night. With Jackson being feted by the crowd and making sure to praise himself for GSW's success.

Mark Jackson is now represented by LeBron's management team, I think. If the Cavs ever dream about hiring Mark Jackson someone should stand and repeatedly shout "NO!" in Dan Gilbert's ear until the idea is passed over.

Mark Jackson was an excellent player. He has many devotees still today.

What happened with him and Stockton is absurd, but it fits Jackson's profile based upon what I have seen and read.

Jackson is a wannabe martyr who appears to be uncomfortable putting smart and talented people around him as subordinates. That's not good leadership. It's wanting to make sure you are always 'on top' and no one can challenge your power.


This.

Jackson has always struck me as a control freak, and also a bit paranoid. He was clearly a talented floor general and is an articulate man, but great leadership requires qualities he simply doesn't have.

For example, in all but the simplest of situations, a great leader needs to know how to delegate power and attract talented people to manage smaller tasks that are part of a larger goal. A job as an NBA head coach is a perfect example here, as a great coach needs to attract and retain assistants that are competent. Jackson tends to view nearly everyone as a threat to his position, and thus has a hard time attracting talented people and keeping them around. He tries to do too much himself, and he's not good enough to pull it off.

I don't hate the guy, but he's definitely not someone I'd give the keys to my organization.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#44 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:21 pm

From what I remember, Mark Jackson was always loved by the Pacers. I am pretty sure he and Reggie were best friends in his time with the Pacers.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#45 » by Canucklehead » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:42 pm

Tinseltown wrote:Mark Jackson was right that Stockton isn't a good leader. The way this article paints him, soft spoken and closer to ownership than his teammates, suggests that there never was a strong locker room in place even before Jackson arrived


Yes it's awful to have a good relationship with ownership while sitting on the other side of the fence if only we could all have loud coworkers take the lead to undermine each other and a companies success.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#46 » by kodo » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:49 pm

So Mark Jackson's main beef w/ the Jazz was that Deshawn & John Amaechi needed more PT over Stockton, Malone, and Harpring?

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This Jackson fellow needs to stay out of coaching.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#47 » by pacers33granger » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:02 am

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:From what I remember, Mark Jackson was always loved by the Pacers. I am pretty sure he and Reggie were best friends in his time with the Pacers.


I remember it that way too. As much as I hate the man, I loved him when he was playing for us. But he had total control of the team (at least on the floor). Reggie was the star, but was not a ball handler and the other guys on the team were quiet/just do your work types (Davis bros, Smits, Best, etc.). He likely never made waves because he was one of the few vocal guys and had the starting job locked down no problem.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#48 » by floppymoose » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:07 am

This story fits the pattern of his time at GS. He wanted only yes-men for assistants. Assistants who weren't were plotted against. He shut Jim Barnett out of practice. Jim freakin Barnett. If you can't get along with Jim, who might as well just be called the "nice guy of the NBA", something is wrong with you. Jackson is incredibly insecure and also not very knowledgeable about basketball. The latter I find surprising but his attempts to take the GS team back to 90's iso ball shows that he is stuck in the past. He created an "us vs them" attitude with his players. "Them" was not just the opponent, but anyone inside the Warriors organization who had ideas independent of Jackson, including ownership.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#49 » by Run DLC » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:00 am

Now i see why LeBron wants him to be the head coach of the Cavs, they're both drama queens. I hope LeBron gets his wish because Jackson is an incompetent head coach and the Cavs wouldn't get far in the playoffs.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#50 » by Run DLC » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:08 am

I can't stand that other prick, Jalen Rose.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#51 » by dc » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:16 am

Mark Jackson just cemented his reputation as a self serving egomaniac the way he returned the the bay area and made sure the spotlight was all on him. I can't stand seeing anymore of this con man. It makes my blood boil the way he goes out of his way to make known to everyone that he is the main man responsible for the Warriors success.

What an arrogant, pompous, egotistical prick he is. I also read in several comments sections from Jackson apologists who compared Jackson to Tony Dungy and Kerr to Jon Gruden.

What a complete insult to Tony Dungy to compare him to Mark Jackson.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#52 » by dc » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:20 am

BackOnDaBlock wrote:i was rlly young and remember him on my raptors and it seemed like he waas good for us but than he was traded mayb there was a reason for it ? any1 recall i was prolly like 10 so i dk lol


Mark Jackson the basketball player was traded 7 times in a span of 14 years, which tells something about how he wears out his welcome.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#53 » by sipclip » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:15 am

boomershadow wrote:
mg wrote:Fact: A lot of current and former NBA star players are douches.


Exactly. I never heard much about him while he was here in Indiana. I am sure Larry Brown outclassed him as a douche in most ways anyway, but he was a great point guard, and that is what counts most.



Jackson was never a great pg for your pacers or for any other team. He was a solid pg that never seemed to get along with management.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#54 » by BackOnDaBlock » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:56 am

i heard he wacked a few guys on the pacers off even n the dressin room
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#55 » by PCProductions » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:00 am

Sounds about right from what I heard about his coaching days here. Glad to be rid of him, personally.
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Post#56 » by Hikari » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:28 pm

The best leaders are guys that DON'T say "I'm a great leader".
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Post#57 » by theforumblue » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:02 pm

for me the report about mark jackson wanting to ban jerry freakin' west from being around team practice and whatnot pretty much cemented him as a wannabe cult-leader.
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Post#58 » by DusterBuster » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:08 pm

Mark Jackson seems like a horrible human being.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#59 » by pacers33granger » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:24 pm

sipclip wrote:
boomershadow wrote:
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Exactly. I never heard much about him while he was here in Indiana. I am sure Larry Brown outclassed him as a douche in most ways anyway, but he was a great point guard, and that is what counts most.



Jackson was never a great pg for your pacers or for any other team. He was a solid pg that never seemed to get along with management.


He averaged nearly a double double with us and we were contenders for most of that stretch (actually almost has a double double career average). He played a big part in the Pacers success and was a great PG.
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Re: Mark Jackson Attempted To Turn The Jazz Against John Stockton At The End Of His Career 

Post#60 » by Nate505 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:16 pm

Mark Jackson sucks. Of course anyone just hearing him as an announcer knows that.

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