Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?!

G35 · Post #41 » by **G35** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:49 pm

Knosh wrote:Just the fact that it's possible for Ford or someone else to change content years after puplishing it makes me wonder if there is more of that going on at ESPN. They have a ton of predictions/opinion kind of stuff where some authors might have been terribly wrong and are embarassed in hindsight. Most of it is probably Insider though, so you probably can't get the old versions that easily.

How do we know they don't even do the for statistics? Add a .1 here or a .2 there. I'm not just talking about ESPN. When it comes to legacies people are shady......

MaceCase · Post #42 » by **MaceCase** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:53 pm

And here Hawk fans just thought it was personal. Ford continuously to this day takes potshots at the Hawks selecting Marvin over Paul despite him claiming at the time that Marvin was the best prospect in the draft.

Golabki · Post #43 » by **Golabki** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:03 pm

Tinseltown wrote:Disgusting how he makes millions every year and posters here create better content every day for free

Does he really make millions?

Golabki · Post #44 » by **Golabki** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:07 pm

Scotty Rogers wrote:I could be wrong but wasn't Chad Ford getting looked as a possible gm candidate a few years ago? Could have just been some of his buddies at ESPN trying to push his name out there, but I swear I remember hearing that somewhere... I'm guessing this doesn't help his personal "stock."

Chad Ford is a reporter, not an analysts. When he says "the top 3 are players X, Y and Z", he's not saying "I think the top 3 are X, Y and Z", he's saying "I've talked to a bunch of NBA contacts and I think the NBA consensus is that the top 3 are X, Y and Z".

Given that, the idea of him being a GM is pretty laughable. He could be a high level exec that advises an owner on GM hirings or things like that... but I wouldn't want him have actually decision making authority.

Post #45 » by **Def Swami** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:13 pm

The best part is that you have to pay to actually see his content on ESPN lol.

HotelVitale · Post #46 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:35 pm

Golabki wrote:
Tinseltown wrote:Disgusting how he makes millions every year and posters here create better content every day for free

Does he really make millions?

I don't know how much he makes, but it aint that much. He's a part time reporter, works as a teacher for his day job. He writes like 1-2 short articles a week and updates the big board every couple of weeks. That wouldn't take most writers more than 5-10 hours per week.

HotelVitale · Post #47 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:39 pm

Golabki wrote:
Scotty Rogers wrote:I could be wrong but wasn't Chad Ford getting looked as a possible gm candidate a few years ago? Could have just been some of his buddies at ESPN trying to push his name out there, but I swear I remember hearing that somewhere... I'm guessing this doesn't help his personal "stock."

Chad Ford is a reporter, not an analysts. When he says "the top 3 are players X, Y and Z", he's not saying "I think the top 3 are X, Y and Z", he's saying "I've talked to a bunch of NBA contacts and I think the NBA consensus is that the top 3 are X, Y and Z".

Right, I don't understand how this can make him look bad or good when the big board's stated purpose is to get a consensus of what GMs, scouts, etc are thinking leading up to the draft. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a douchey move if he is adjusting the ranks, but he states everywhere that the rankings are not his own and that they'd be significantly different if they were.

I wonder if it's some editor who wants the ranking to still be relevant after the fact? I wouldn't put it past Ford or other journalists either, just doesn't make sense in this case.

Post #48 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:47 pm

Golabki wrote:
Scotty Rogers wrote:I could be wrong but wasn't Chad Ford getting looked as a possible gm candidate a few years ago? Could have just been some of his buddies at ESPN trying to push his name out there, but I swear I remember hearing that somewhere... I'm guessing this doesn't help his personal "stock."

Chad Ford is a reporter, not an analysts. When he says "the top 3 are players X, Y and Z", he's not saying "I think the top 3 are X, Y and Z", he's saying "I've talked to a bunch of NBA contacts and I think the NBA consensus is that the top 3 are X, Y and Z".

Given that, the idea of him being a GM is pretty laughable. He could be a high level exec that advises an owner on GM hirings or things like that... but I wouldn't want him have actually decision making authority.

He definitely plays the role of an analyst also. Heck, his bio blurb even says so "ESPN Insider NBA Draft Analyst since 2002". Besides his mock draft and big board, Chad Ford puts out a bunch of articles about who he thinks is a sleeper, who is worth their current ranking etc.

Post #49 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:10 pm

Surely this screws up his credibility more than a few bad picks in a mock draft where generally everyone makes some lousy picks.

Rip It · Post #50 » by **Rip It** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:19 pm

ESPN is to sports what MSNBC is to news: a bias, dishonest, sleazy joke that deserves to be laughed at.

Unfortunately, while MSNBC (rightfully) continues to be a low-rated cesspool watched by only the bottom of the intellectual barrel, ESPN remains a ratings juggernaut. That makes me a sad panda.

Blame Rasho · Post #51 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:35 pm

Rip It wrote:ESPN is to sports what foxnews is to news: a bias, dishonest, sleazy joke that deserves to be laughed at.

Unfortunately, while Foxnews (unfortunately ) continues to be a high-rated cesspool watched by only the bottom of the intellectual barrel, ESPN remains a ratings juggernaut. That makes me a sad panda.

geminiz · Post #52 » by **geminiz** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:55 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:
Rip It wrote:ESPN is to sports what CNN is to news: a bias, dishonest, sleazy joke that deserves to be laughed at.

Unfortunately, while CNN (unfortunately ) continues to be a high-rated cesspool watched by only the bottom of the intellectual barrel, ESPN remains a ratings juggernaut. That makes me a sad panda.

...so ok, is there any news station that's credible in America :nonono:

Nuggets_Talk · Post #53 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:05 pm

How could he possibly think no one would find out?!

Post #54 » by **Devin 1L** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:06 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:It's so weird to me that he, or anyone else, would feel a temptation to do this given that Ford isn't supposed to be giving his opinion, he's supposed to be going by what teams actually think.

So, when MCW gets moved up from #9 on Ford's actual board to #7 on the fake version, he's actually getting further off the mark from what was actually thought at the time (#11). WTF?

I wonder if we'll ever know the story here. It won't shock me if it turns out to be someone other than Ford who is responsible for this. Regardless, it obviously make him look bad...but realistically, if Darko couldn't kill Ford's career, it's hard to imagine this would.

This is what I was thinking as well.

The gut-reaction is to point the finger at Ford, but (and I admit, I have no real knowledge how ESPN content submissions work) I highly doubt that Chad Ford just logs into some ESPN account and submits/edits/removes content from the website. I would imagine all content appearing on the website is controlled by some editor(s).

That said, I'm really happy someone caught this because it's shady as hell regardless of who is doing it.

Rasheeed!!! · Post #55 » by **Rasheeed!!!** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:13 pm

wow this is hilarious.....then again Ford looks like a scumbag

ManualRam · Post #56 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:14 pm

Scotty Rogers wrote:I could be wrong but wasn't Chad Ford getting looked as a possible gm candidate a few years ago? Could have just been some of his buddies at ESPN trying to push his name out there, but I swear I remember hearing that somewhere... I'm guessing this doesn't help his personal "stock."

i dont believe so. ford has never given anyone any reason to care about his opinion. he's not a talent evaluator. he's just a guy with connections who writes what he hears. he's not a basketball mind. his opinion has never mattered.

Scrapachenko · Post #57 » by **Scrapachenko** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:22 pm

I still remember him selling Darko Milicic as the best pick in the draft and that the Cavs should consider him at #1 over LeBron and Carmelo.... Wonder if he ever changed/edited that? He was the conductor of the Darko hype train and I remember him not being that high on LeBron. He thought Carmelo and Darko were more fundamentally sound or something to that effect. I believe he also said that Darko had the highest upside in the draft?

Who in the history of the draft has EVER had a higher upside than LeBron James? Certainly wasn't Darko Milicic...

Shot Clock · Post #58 » by **Shot Clock** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:31 pm

Scrapachenko wrote:I still remember him selling Darko Milicic as the best pick in the draft and that the Cavs should consider him at #1 over LeBron and Carmelo.... Wonder if he ever changed/edited that? He was the conductor of the Darko hype train and I remember him not being that high on LeBron. He thought Carmelo and Darko were more fundamentally sound or something to that effect. I believe he also said that Darko had the highest upside in the draft?

Who in the history of the draft has EVER had a higher upside than LeBron James? Certainly wasn't Darko Milicic...

I remember he did a series of articles on Darko. Pretty sure he even traveled over to see him. But I think he deleted all of that evidence long ago. I tried to find it one time.

Cycklops · Post #59 » by **Cycklops** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:33 pm

Can't wait to see the fall-out on this one.

Financials · Post #60 » by **Financials** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:49 pm

espn removed the edits