would andre roberson get minutes on your favorite team?

[improvisor]

No I would not start him on the Cavs. I would much rather start Shump,JR and Delly over him. All 3 are good shooters and 2 of the 3 are possibly the league's better one on one sg defenders according to Beal atleast.

Washington won't start him either. Beal is probably better or as good one on one defender than both Shump and Delly and his offense is way better than those 2.

[hardenASG13]

:lol:

Well, I've seen a GSW fan, Cavs fan, and Pacers fan....but keep diggin that hole. I'll leave the thread, and let others prove it to you.

Pacers didnt make the playoffs in the east...comparing him to Solomon hill ok.havent seen any cavs or warriors fan state who they would play him over....iggy, barnes, livingston, klay haha? Jr smith, shumpert, delly? Dont think so. Also he cant guard 4s cmon

Well, they're certainly a contender next year, and we now can add Bulls fans too. So, what happened was...
1. You said he wouldn't get minutes on other teams.
2. Said you would poll the gen board.
3. You didn't get the answer you wanted so you're ignoring it.

Not ignoring anything. ...havent seen a warrior or cavs fan say whod they play him over. If you read my point it specifically says western conference playoff teams. Bulls are in the east, and would have been a quick first rd exit on the west. As for the pacets contending next yr., george comes back, solomon hill disapears. On the subject of ignoring, still wondering what 4s roberson guarded this year and what ones hes capable of guarding? I rarely if ever saw him do that. Not denying he can fnish at rim, I completely realize that. Hate always disagreeing with you since we both are thunder fans, guess I just see them as top tier contenders who shouldn't be settling for a guy who can fit due to the fact he plays with 2 superstars whereas he wouldnt play over another wing rotation guy in his conferences playoffs. Think im seeing more of the potential an nba caliber shooter would bring, while you are trying to argue he can fit ( which he can technically ) based on the unique situation. I just want and know they can do better than a guy who cant shoot, can drive and dunk when unguarded ( as in that gif, he doesn't beat anyone off the dribble), and plays slightly below all nba level defense.

[pacers33granger]

For your point on Hill, he likely starts next season with Miles moving to the bench. His minutes won't be disappearing. Hopefully his shot improves, but if not he's still the likely starting SG opening day.

[Sofia]

He wasn't relevant in the East in 2008, so no, Doc won't play him.

[kodo]

He wasn't relevant in the East in 2008, so no, Doc won't play him.

Lol.

Rashard Lewis & Lamar Odom are exactly what the Clippers need.

[SlobbaN]

Is he at least 28-29? If not, then no, he wouldn't get minutes on the Mavs.

[bondom34]

:lol:

Pacers didnt make the playoffs in the east...comparing him to Solomon hill ok.havent seen any cavs or warriors fan state who they would play him over....iggy, barnes, livingston, klay haha? Jr smith, shumpert, delly? Dont think so. Also he cant guard 4s cmon

Well, they're certainly a contender next year, and we now can add Bulls fans too. So, what happened was...
1. You said he wouldn't get minutes on other teams.
2. Said you would poll the gen board.
3. You didn't get the answer you wanted so you're ignoring it.

Not ignoring anything. ...havent seen a warrior or cavs fan say whod they play him over. If you read my point it specifically says western conference playoff teams. Bulls are in the east, and would have been a quick first rd exit on the west. As for the pacets contending next yr., george comes back, solomon hill disapears. On the subject of ignoring, still wondering what 4s roberson guarded this year and what ones hes capable of guarding? I rarely if ever saw him do that. Not denying he can fnish at rim, I completely realize that. Hate always disagreeing with you since we both are thunder fans, guess I just see them as top tier contenders who shouldn't be settling for a guy who can fit due to the fact he plays with 2 superstars whereas he wouldnt play over another wing rotation guy in his conferences playoffs. Think im seeing more of the potential an nba caliber shooter would bring, while you are trying to argue he can fit ( which he can technically ) based on the unique situation. I just want and know they can do better than a guy who cant shoot, can drive and dunk when unguarded ( as in that gif, he doesn't beat anyone off the dribble), and plays slightly below all nba level defense.

He'd play for the clippwrs, grizz, Pels, Houston, Dallas, and a few GSW fans have said it too. Man you are just not even trying to be reasonable. I'd ask for a few serious answers from those fans, but I say he would play.

To add, this has gone from "would he get minutes" to "would he on a contender" to "would he on a west contender". Next is "would he on a west contender on a Thursday road game vs. a top 3 seed in a night game"....here's a sample of answers from contending teams...

Pacers:

For your point on Hill, he likely starts next season with Miles moving to the bench. His minutes won't be disappearing. Hopefully his shot improves, but if not he's still the likely starting SG opening day.

Cavs:

Good defender, I think he will have a decent career.

GSW:

If Tony Allen can start on a playoff team, Roberson can definitely get playing time.

Yea i was going to say it seemed odd. Roberson is a great defender there's no reason he shouldn't get playing time. Sure you'd need to be offensively gifted talent wise to play him on the perimeter or have a stretch big man, but the Thunder have both of those.[/quote]

Chicago:

Roberson would start or get heavy minutes in Chicago.

Clippers (and I'd ask a LAC fan for a real answer b/c this was clearly a joke):

He wasn't relevant in the East in 2008, so no, Doc won't play him.

Dallas (again a joke and I'd ask an honest answer:

Is he at least 28-29? If not, then no, he wouldn't get minutes on the Mavs.

So yea, you've pretty well gone on a mission that's gone completely not the way you thought and you're ignoring the results. But POINTZZZ is all that matters and the Thunder should roll out anyone just so he takes shots and can score.

[hardenASG13]

Well, they're certainly a contender next year, and we now can add Bulls fans too. So, what happened was...
1. You said he wouldn't get minutes on other teams.
2. Said you would poll the gen board.
3. You didn't get the answer you wanted so you're ignoring it.

Not ignoring anything. ...havent seen a warrior or cavs fan say whod they play him over. If you read my point it specifically says western conference playoff teams. Bulls are in the east, and would have been a quick first rd exit on the west. As for the pacets contending next yr., george comes back, solomon hill disapears. On the subject of ignoring, still wondering what 4s roberson guarded this year and what ones hes capable of guarding? I rarely if ever saw him do that. Not denying he can fnish at rim, I completely realize that. Hate always disagreeing with you since we both are thunder fans, guess I just see them as top tier contenders who shouldn't be settling for a guy who can fit due to the fact he plays with 2 superstars whereas he wouldnt play over another wing rotation guy in his conferences playoffs. Think im seeing more of the potential an nba caliber shooter would bring, while you are trying to argue he can fit ( which he can technically ) based on the unique situation. I just want and know they can do better than a guy who cant shoot, can drive and dunk when unguarded ( as in that gif, he doesn't beat anyone off the dribble), and plays slightly below all nba level defense.

He'd play for the clippwrs, grizz, Pels, Houston, Dallas, and a few GSW fans have said it too. Man you are just not even trying to be reasonable. I'd ask for a few serious answers from those fans, but I say he would play.

To add, this has gone from "would he get minutes" to "would he on a contender" to "would he on a west contender". Next is "would he on a west contender on a Thursday road game vs. a top 3 seed in a night game"....here's a sample of answers from contending teams...

Pacers:

For your point on Hill, he likely starts next season with Miles moving to the bench. His minutes won't be disappearing. Hopefully his shot improves, but if not he's still the likely starting SG opening day.

Cavs:

Good defender, I think he will have a decent career.

GSW:

If Tony Allen can start on a playoff team, Roberson can definitely get playing time.

Yea i was going to say it seemed odd. Roberson is a great defender there's no reason he shouldn't get playing time. Sure you'd need to be offensively gifted talent wise to play him on the perimeter or have a stretch big man, but the Thunder have both of those.

Chicago:

Roberson would start or get heavy minutes in Chicago.

Clippers (and I'd ask a LAC fan for a real answer b/c this was clearly a joke):

He wasn't relevant in the East in 2008, so no, Doc won't play him.

Dallas (again a joke and I'd ask an honest answer:

Is he at least 28-29? If not, then no, he wouldn't get minutes on the Mavs.

So yea, you've pretty well gone on a mission that's gone completely not the way you thought and you're ignoring the results. But POINTZZZ is all that matters and the Thunder should roll out anyone just so he takes shots and can score.[/quote]

Ha none of those quotes say they would want him on their teams, or who they would bench for him. My original question and point was always western playoff teams. Not sure what u are seeing. The pacers arent in the west or contenders. Sorry. If okc offered roberson for dunleavy I dont think chicago takes that. Youre making stuff up in your heas.What 4s can / does he guard

[bondom34]

Not ignoring anything. ...havent seen a warrior or cavs fan say whod they play him over. If you read my point it specifically says western conference playoff teams. Bulls are in the east, and would have been a quick first rd exit on the west. As for the pacets contending next yr., george comes back, solomon hill disapears. On the subject of ignoring, still wondering what 4s roberson guarded this year and what ones hes capable of guarding? I rarely if ever saw him do that. Not denying he can fnish at rim, I completely realize that. Hate always disagreeing with you since we both are thunder fans, guess I just see them as top tier contenders who shouldn't be settling for a guy who can fit due to the fact he plays with 2 superstars whereas he wouldnt play over another wing rotation guy in his conferences playoffs. Think im seeing more of the potential an nba caliber shooter would bring, while you are trying to argue he can fit ( which he can technically ) based on the unique situation. I just want and know they can do better than a guy who cant shoot, can drive and dunk when unguarded ( as in that gif, he doesn't beat anyone off the dribble), and plays slightly below all nba level defense.

He'd play for the clippwrs, grizz, Pels, Houston, Dallas, and a few GSW fans have said it too. Man you are just not even trying to be reasonable. I'd ask for a few serious answers from those fans, but I say he would play.

To add, this has gone from "would he get minutes" to "would he on a contender" to "would he on a west contender". Next is "would he on a west contender on a Thursday road game vs. a top 3 seed in a night game"....here's a sample of answers from contending teams...

Pacers:

For your point on Hill, he likely starts next season with Miles moving to the bench. His minutes won't be disappearing. Hopefully his shot improves, but if not he's still the likely starting SG opening day.

Cavs:

Good defender, I think he will have a decent career.

GSW:

If Tony Allen can start on a playoff team, Roberson can definitely get playing time.

Yea i was going to say it seemed odd. Roberson is a great defender there's no reason he shouldn't get playing time. Sure you'd need to be offensively gifted talent wise to play him on the perimeter or have a stretch big man, but the Thunder have both of those.

Chicago:

Roberson would start or get heavy minutes in Chicago.

Clippers (and I'd ask a LAC fan for a real answer b/c this was clearly a joke):

He wasn't relevant in the East in 2008, so no, Doc won't play him.

Dallas (again a joke and I'd ask an honest answer:

Is he at least 28-29? If not, then no, he wouldn't get minutes on the Mavs.

So yea, you've pretty well gone on a mission that's gone completely not the way you thought and you're ignoring the results. But POINTZZZ is all that matters and the Thunder should roll out anyone just so he takes shots and can score.

Ha none of those quotes say they would want him on their teams, or who they would bench for him. My original question and point was always western playoff teams. Not sure what u are seeing. The pacers arent in the west or contenders. Sorry. If okc offered roberson for dunleavy I dont think chicago takes that. Youre making stuff up in your heas.What 4s can / does he guard[/quote]
OK, you win. No one knew what you were asking in that case, so you didn't get any answer at all. And I guarantee Chicago does that, but whatever, I'm tired of this and you hate the kid for no reason, when he's the perfect 2 for the starters.

[pacers33granger]

So the gist of this thread is that Roberson wouldn't start over 3-4 contending teams with elite or star level SGs so he's crap?

The kid isn't good on offense, but he still posted a positive BPM on the season, which was one where OKC went through a ton of injuries and routinely didn't have their top 3 guys. He's far from perfect, but he's been doing something right. And he played 20 mpg. He may have started because he was a good fit, but it's not like OKC was trotting him out there for 34 minutes or anything. Why put someone like Morrow in the starting lineup when you don't need more offense (when at full health at least).

[bondom34]

So the gist of this thread is that Roberson wouldn't start over 3-4 contending teams with elite or star level SGs so he's crap?

The kid isn't good on offense, but he still posted a positive BPM on the season, which was one where OKC went through a ton of injuries and routinely didn't have their top 3 guys. He's far from perfect, but he's been doing something right. And he played 20 mpg. He may have started because he was a good fit, but it's not like OKC was trotting him out there for 34 minutes or anything. Why put someone like Morrow in the starting lineup when you don't need more offense (when at full health at least).

Honestly, thats it. And if anyone wants to add, please feel free to add on the OKC board, the fans there would love any input, we're pretty low key, and tbh I just don't get what the OP really wants.

[Laimbeer]

So he's a poor man's MKG?

[improvisor]

So the gist of this thread is that Roberson wouldn't start over 3-4 contending teams with elite or star level SGs so he's crap?

The kid isn't good on offense, but he still posted a positive BPM on the season, which was one where OKC went through a ton of injuries and routinely didn't have their top 3 guys. He's far from perfect, but he's been doing something right. And he played 20 mpg. He may have started because he was a good fit, but it's not like OKC was trotting him out there for 34 minutes or anything. Why put someone like Morrow in the starting lineup when you don't need more offense (when at full health at least).

Cavs dont have any elite/Star level sg's and the three they got in JR(Good Shooter decent defense lately) , Shump(3 and D) and Delly(3 and D) would put Roberson at the end of the bench. Do you really think he can play better than any of them? Delly, Shump or Jr will not start over any Star/elite level SG 's either but yet will get more minutes.

[hardenASG13]

[quote="pacers33granger"]So the gist of this thread is that Roberson wouldn't start over 3-4 contending teams with elite or star level SGs so he's crap?

The kid isn't good on offense, but he still posted a positive BPM on the season, which was one where OKC went through a ton of injuries and routinely didn't have their top 3 guys. He's far from perfect, but he's been doing something right. And he played 20 mpg. He may have started because he was a good fit, but it's not like OKC was trotting him out there for 34 minutes or anything. Why put someone like Morrow in the starting lineup when you don't need more offense (when at full health at least).[/quote

]

No my point is that his skill (good, but not game changing defense) doesnt warrant pt on a playoff team in the west, let alone a top contender like okc when they are healthy. His stats are a mirage, literally goes unguarded on the offensive end. Just cant understand why a team like okc plays him. There are plenty of sufficient defenders that actually demand respect from the defense in the nba. No other players as bad as him offensively in a wing rotation on the top 10 teams in the west. Sure hes a good defender, but at that cost his defense isnt worth it for how bad he is offensively.

[hardenASG13]

So the gist of this thread is that Roberson wouldn't start over 3-4 contending teams with elite or star level SGs so he's crap?

The kid isn't good on offense, but he still posted a positive BPM on the season, which was one where OKC went through a ton of injuries and routinely didn't have their top 3 guys. He's far from perfect, but he's been doing something right. And he played 20 mpg. He may have started because he was a good fit, but it's not like OKC was trotting him out there for 34 minutes or anything. Why put someone like Morrow in the starting lineup when you don't need more offense (when at full health at least).

Honestly, thats it. And if anyone wants to add, please feel free to add on the OKC board, the fans there would love any input, we're pretty low key, and tbh I just don't get what the OP really wants.

I want nba caiber guys playing in the backcourt who demand defensive attention. That or they better be the best defensive wing in the league which he isnt. And I also want to know what 4s he can guard haha.

[bondom34]

So the gist of this thread is that Roberson wouldn't start over 3-4 contending teams with elite or star level SGs so he's crap?

The kid isn't good on offense, but he still posted a positive BPM on the season, which was one where OKC went through a ton of injuries and routinely didn't have their top 3 guys. He's far from perfect, but he's been doing something right. And he played 20 mpg. He may have started because he was a good fit, but it's not like OKC was trotting him out there for 34 minutes or anything. Why put someone like Morrow in the starting lineup when you don't need more offense (when at full health at least).

Honestly, thats it. And if anyone wants to add, please feel free to add on the OKC board, the fans there would love any input, we're pretty low key, and tbh I just don't get what the OP really wants.

I want nba caiber guys playing in the backcourt who demand defensive attention. That or they better be the best defensive wing in the league which he isnt. And I also want to know what 4s he can guard haha.

He could if he had to. The guy played PF in college, and he's got the size to. He rarely does but could, that is what I said. And for the last time he's an NBA caliber wing, he's better than Lamb or Waiters by a mile. You're here to prove a point but most people that posted said what you didn't want to hear so you ignored them. Chicago wouldn't trade MDJ for him, but big whoop, Dunleavy isn't the defender he is and is older. Roberson is a good starter, I'm done here because you're just being dense for the sake of it haha.

[bondom34]

So the gist of this thread is that Roberson wouldn't start over 3-4 contending teams with elite or star level SGs so he's crap?

The kid isn't good on offense, but he still posted a positive BPM on the season, which was one where OKC went through a ton of injuries and routinely didn't have their top 3 guys. He's far from perfect, but he's been doing something right. And he played 20 mpg. He may have started because he was a good fit, but it's not like OKC was trotting him out there for 34 minutes or anything. Why put someone like Morrow in the starting lineup when you don't need more offense (when at full health at least).

Honestly, thats it. And if anyone wants to add, please feel free to add on the OKC board, the fans there would love any input, we're pretty low key, and tbh I just don't get what the OP really wants.

I want nba caiber guys playing in the backcourt who demand defensive attention. That or they better be the best defensive wing in the league which he isnt. And I also want to know what 4s he can guard haha.

Also, final fun fact before I finish here:

Also, here's a fun stat: Roberson appears in 7 of the top 9 OKC lineups. If you take the following lineup:

Westbrook/X/KD/Ibaka/Adams, and X is Roberson, the lineup is a +15.0 points per 100 possessions.

Make X Waiters and its -9.9.
Make X Reggie Jackson this year and it was -22.6.

[Dez]

Would take him over Hinrich quite easily.

[giberish]

Also, final fun fact before I finish here:

Also, here's a fun stat: Roberson appears in 7 of the top 9 OKC lineups. If you take the following lineup:

Westbrook/X/KD/Ibaka/Adams, and X is Roberson, the lineup is a +15.0 points per 100 possessions.

Make X Waiters and its -9.9.
Make X Reggie Jackson this year and it was -22.6.

Roberson was effective in the regular season. I'd expect that he'd be less effective in the playoffs. In the regular season teams have too many games to extensively change their defenses game to game. In a 7-games series teams can make more significant adjustments - such as completely ignoring Roberson and having his man play a 1-man zone free to help with impunity. Of course I'd still play him over Waiters or this year's OKC version of Jackson (which isn't saying much).

IMO OKC's biggest roster issue the past few years has been a lack of 2-way role players. Currently only Collison (for how many minutes he can go) and perhaps Adams really work on both offense and defense. Morrow and Auguestine are weak defenders, Kanter is even worse, while Roberson does nothing on offense. Waiters is bad both ways, which is different but not helpful.