76ers will become dynasty in 10 years

[oldschooled]

76ers are more likely to:

1) Tank
2) Win lottery
3) Draft best player available
4) Trade drafted player
5) Repeat Step 1

[Saints14]

This is so incredibly stupid. I'm not talking about the Sixers -- that could end any number of ways, including multiple championships -- I'm talking about the article.

Unless the CBA changes, a max player can earn about 35% of the cap. You can't have 3 true max players with contracts signed under the new cap, which is what the Sixers will have if all of Embiid, Noel, and the 3rd pick (not to mention any future guys) pan out that well.

It's called math. Or seriously punitive luxury tax, I suppose, because you need other guys on the roster.

If 3 of their guys end up max-quality players, and they're able to keep them the entire time before they get the super max (3rd contract), that's a pretty good problem to have, no? If that's the case, I'd imagine they've already won a title or two.

3.) Unless the Sixers create a dynasty, this experiment will be a huge failure. 1 title for this much suck i don't think can be considered a success.

This much suck? The past two years were pretty brutal but they didn't even have the worst record either of those years. And it was only 2 years. No, they probably won't have a great record next year but if Noel/Embiid/3 pick are all starting and making improvements, I doubt Philly fans will care.


Obviously, "dynasty" is a little much but you have to be excited for this team's future. Yes, its obviously all risky. As another poster pointed out, not all top picks pan out. Embiid and the 3rd pick haven't played an NBA game yet, and Noel's ceiling looks to be an elite defender with meh offense. Noel/Joel have both suffered major injuries. There's a good chance Miami and OKC are really good next year, hell even the Lakers depending on how FA goes, and those picks aren't worth much. But on paper they've succeeded in bringing in multiple blue chip prospects, and fans have every right to be excited.

[sixerswillrule]

76ers are more likely to:

1) Tank
2) Win lottery
3) Draft best player available
4) Trade drafted player
5) Repeat Step 1

The number of points that I've personally scored in the NBA is equal to the number of times the Sixers have traded a player they've tanked for: Zero.

[norcocredo]

This is the NBA. You can't predict 10 years out. The NBA relies too much on the individual player and too much can happen to individual players (trades, free agency, injuries, not panning out as predicted).

[Blkbrd671]

76ers are more likely to:

1) Tank
2) Win lottery
3) Draft best player available
4) Trade drafted player
5) Repeat Step 1

The number of points that I've personally scored in the NBA is equal to the number of times the Sixers have traded a player they've tanked for: Zero.

so in other words, the whole tanking thing is not working cuz they can't get the player they keep losing for?

[HEAT33]

Heat will e a dynasty in 10 years

[Edrees]

yeah, heard the same about okc. they still haven't won one

[wickedwrister]

3.) Unless the Sixers create a dynasty, this experiment will be a huge failure. 1 title for this much suck i don't think can be considered a success.

1 title would totally make all this worth it, hell if they make the finals once or twice and have legitimate title shots I'd take it.

This franchise was dead in the water when Hinkie took over. The difference between the last 2 seasons the way they have done it and if they kept "trying" with Doug Collins is probably 10 wins/year. I'll take the 20 losses if it means having Embiid, Noel, Saric and Russell to look forward to watching.

[Bubstubbler]

I think Chris Sheridan has been reading my posts

Dynasties often include the best player on the planet. Are the Sixers anywhere close to having a top 5 player on the planet or even the best player? No, they aren't.

That's part of why Philly isn't currently a dynasty.

But projecting forward, I definitely consider Embiid to be a potential 'best player in the world' candidate over the next decade. He's the best center talent to enter the league since Oden, and before that guys like Shaq/Mourning/Yao/Duncan; before that, you're going all the way back to guys like Hakeem/Robinson. He's an extremely rare caliber of prospect, and imo has a legit shot at becoming the single most dominant force in the league.

[Unbreakable99]

I love all the hate the Sixers get from fans of other teams. I love how you guys keep talking about us and can't stop talking about us. Keep hating.

[Blkbrd671]

1 title would totally make all this worth it, hell if they make the finals once or twice and have legitimate title shots I'd take it.

This franchise was dead in the water when Hinkie took over. The difference between the last 2 seasons the way they have done it and if they kept "trying" with Doug Collins is probably 10 wins/year. I'll take the 20 losses if it means having Embiid, Noel, Saric and Russell to look forward to watching.

in 10 years there will be at least 1 small market team that makes the finals if not wins it by not tanking. As i said, unless they create a dynasty, this experiment will look like a disaster.

[Blkbrd671]

I love all the hate the Sixers get from fans of other teams. I love how you guys keep talking about us and can't stop talking about us. Keep hating.

welcome to a forum, where NBA teams are discussed. I know its hard to accept this, but Sixers are just 1 of many teams with different threads that are being discussed.

But your right, we are hating on the sixers for being the worst in the league year after year after year. We really hate getting all those wins. 10 years is long time to wait to see if a plan works, and if it doesn't.........that's 10 years wasted. Lets stop acting like that's not something to consider

[psualltheway5]

The Timberwolves had Beasley (#2 pick), DWill (#2 pick), Love (#5), Rubio (#5), Flynn (#5), and Wesley Johnson (#4). That's 6 top 6 picks from 2008-2011.

That trumps the 76ers Noel (#6), Embiid (#3) and Russell? (#3), which is only 3 top 6 picks over 3 years.

Minnesota had much more dynasty potential on paper, didn't they?

Not sure if you are serious, but I'll bite.

They didn't draft Beasley first off.

Rubio, Williams, Flynn, and Wesley Johnson are NOWHERE close to the prospects that Embiid, Russell, and Noel are.

The Timberwolves were run by complete idiots who drafted 2 PG's in the top 5, passed on DeMarcus Cousins, and only hit with Love. They were awful at finding talent and even worse at putting talent around their actual building blocks.

Embiid was called the best center prospect of the generation, Noel already has flashed future DPOY potential and an improved offensive game, and Russell has shooting ability and versatility unlike any of the players the T'wolves drafted in that time. Not to mention Hinkie found the ROY with the 11th pick.

The two situations are nowhere close to being similar and luming them together is foolish.

[psualltheway5]

The short answer to your pretty long OP is: No, they won't.

Interesting that you can say that they won't without any sort of evidence.

Obviously it is too soon to take either position, but you just sound foolish saying this.

1.) its never been done before so there is no evidence
2.) In 10 years, 76er's will not have a dynasty, and at least 1 other teams that have not purposely tanked will have won at least 1 title by then. No i don't have any evidence, but in 10 years when i look back on this, i quite honestly won't give a f* what i predicted cuz its 10 YEARS!!!!!!
3.) Unless the Sixers create a dynasty, this experiment will be a huge failure. 1 title for this much suck i don't think can be considered a success.

1. Has any team ever had an approach similar to the Sixers? You can't claim it has never been done if it has never been attempted.
2. Once again, this is just an asinine, baseless opinion.
3. "This much suck"? I would rather two years of being awful with upside, instead of 10 years of meddling, treadmill, mediocrity that they were producing.

[Mik317]

There are about five other teams that are just as youthful and talented as the 76ers, but with a lot more wins, and/or proven NBA players. I don't get what makes the 76ers rebuild so special.

I think it's mainly due to the "mystery" factor. The Jazz for example, we have seen most of their core play and outside of Exum and Hood , It is a lot harder to expect any of them to take that superstar next step (NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T..I LOVE THE JAZZ ROSTER CHIIILLLLL) whereas the Sixers' "core" is made up of dudes who really only exist in theory. Next season, god willing, Embiid will play and his "true" value/potential will be shown. No more heresay and that same dream shake highlights to gush over but actual factual basketball. Same thing for , god willing, our 3rd overall pick. Pieces will finally be placed and theories will begin to be tested. Sure neither Embiid or Russell will light the world on fire their first years...Durant didn't do that. Hell Wiggins just led his team to the worst record in a league where the Knicks and Sixers play (injuries or not..I've seen both rosters...there was pain),...but like Wiggins and Durant you can see "signs" of said greatness generally year one for most of these guys...if by the end of year one Embiid looks simply ok (although if he makes it through the here our staff needs to be investigated for roids or something..)and Russell looks closer to a servicable guy..then suddenly this whole dynasty kick dampens (of course until we use our 80 lottery picks to draft Jordan. Stay Free NBA). But as of right now, it is easier and more fun to think about the best possible reality of Embiid being awesome and Russell/whoever styling on fools while Noel blocks shots and <insert second round steal> does cool things...because we don't have any facts to weigh us down.

The other young teams generally don't have that air of mystery and dreams going for them and are often more tied by reality than we are at the moment.

If this is going to go south...we will know by the end of next year I'd imagine. There would be some stragglers on their "bu-but wait until we draft Ben Simmons...h-he's the true star yo" but I imagine Hinkie's seat will get hotter. I think he knows this. I think the FO knows this. Hence the whole "THIS STARTS NOW" stuff.

Can we be a dynasty in a few years? ehhhh, that is generally decided afterwards, I am hopefull we can be contenders in about 5 years. Playoff bound in 2-3.

But the Best Possible Outcome is why so many people are excited about our future. Being realistic or cynical isn't effective when you don't have any facts to say why it can't happen beyond "it never has before" We will know where we stand by the end of next year easy..hell even before that.

[SHO'NUFF]

Any team can be a dynasty in 10 YEARS

[Mik317]

1 title would totally make all this worth it, hell if they make the finals once or twice and have legitimate title shots I'd take it.

This franchise was dead in the water when Hinkie took over. The difference between the last 2 seasons the way they have done it and if they kept "trying" with Doug Collins is probably 10 wins/year. I'll take the 20 losses if it means having Embiid, Noel, Saric and Russell to look forward to watching.

in 10 years there will be at least 1 small market team that makes the finals if not wins it by not tanking. As i said, unless they create a dynasty, this experiment will look like a disaster.

We haven't won a chip in like what 30+ years? Haven't been relevant for damn near 15. I think a championship would make all of this worth it...and its not like we were coming off of greatness pre-hinkie anyway...the highligh of that era was being a dead Bulls team..barely. and dying slow against a dying Bostons squad...WHICH might I add was BLOWN UP prior to Hinkie coming here. I also would like to add that we weren't even the worst team in the league either of these last two years. So at the end of the day this isn't even that big of a step back as people are acting....if it doesn't work. It doesn't work. Nothing new except Post Hinkie would actually have assets to deal and cap space to use instead of the dead carcass Hinkie had.

[Q C]

8 years ago the Blazers were the future dynasty team. And they even had players good enough to somewhat justify such a thought. Phillys current roster doesn't have 5% of the potential that squad had let alone the Thunder a few years ago.

[Saints14]

I'd also like to point out that EVERY TIME there's a thread like this on the 76ers, it automatically becomes pages long. Love em or hate em, they're extremely interesting and no longer irrelevant. Which makes them fun to follow even though they currently suck on the court. They deserve credit for that.

[Q C]

I'd also like to point out that EVERY TIME there's a thread like this on the 76ers, it automatically becomes pages long. Love em or hate em, they're extremely interesting and no longer irrelevant. Which makes them fun to follow even though they currently suck on the court. They deserve credit for that.

Kinda like how the people on "My 600lb Life" are relevant because they are on TV. Its nothing to be proud of