How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul?

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Was LeBron's Slide Tackle on Steph Curry a Foul?

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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#41 » by Bertrob » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:19 am

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Bertrob wrote:definitely a foul. but if warriors fans think this officiating has been Cavs bias this series, they're crazy

Lose a bet? Swore it was anime and Celtics all day.


just having some fun during the finals :wink:
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#42 » by LOUiS-D » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:22 am

xAIRNESSx wrote:You could argue the ball was loose and LeBron made a dive at the ball, which is usually not a foul even if there is contact during the dive.

Back to basics. What did curry do wrong? He's holding a position, a player moves into him causing him to lose his footing in no uncertain terms. Regardless of where you are on the floor or what's happening with the ball, it's a foul.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#43 » by E-Balla » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:24 am

Bertrob wrote:
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Bertrob wrote:definitely a foul. but if warriors fans think this officiating has been Cavs bias this series, they're crazy

Lose a bet? Swore it was anime and Celtics all day.


just having some fun during the finals :wink:

Yeah I saw Skaterdude and caught on. :lol:
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#44 » by infinite11285 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:24 am

It is a foul but Curry's 3 late 4th quarter turnovers (resulting in points going the other way) in the final two minutes were more so the catalyst to GS losing Game 3.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#45 » by xAIRNESSx » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:32 am

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xAIRNESSx wrote:You could argue the ball was loose and LeBron made a dive at the ball, which is usually not a foul even if there is contact during the dive.

Back to basics. What did curry do wrong? He's holding a position, a player moves into him causing him to lose his footing in no uncertain terms. Regardless of where you are on the floor or what's happening with the ball, it's a foul.


Curry was dribbling upcourt, so I wouldn't necessarily say he's holding a position. There are often times no fouls are called on loose balls where there is contact going for the ball. I can understand the refs deciding to let it play on at that point in the game.

To your other post though, the trail ref actually had a clear view of the play. I just re-watched it.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#46 » by Lolo » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:34 am

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Bertrob wrote:definitely a foul. but if warriors fans think this officiating has been Cavs bias this series, they're crazy


Nothing this extreme though, this was literally a tackle.


The Iggy rake across the arms in game 2 was just as extreme (and yes, I know bron travelled but were talking about fouls not travels here). Both blatant fouls. Both missed at key moments. Just accept that the reffing is poor in both directions.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#47 » by JC_ » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:34 am

AIfan3 wrote:You have a pretty loose definition of a tackle..


I think he meant soccer tackle, where you slide and knock the ball away. Pretty sure Lebron slipped but it was a foul imo. The ball getting knocked away first had the refs not totally watching contact and they know that Curry probably would have acted like there was contact even if it was a clean strip.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#48 » by Lolo » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:34 am

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Bertrob wrote:definitely a foul. but if warriors fans think this officiating has been Cavs bias this series, they're crazy


Nothing this extreme though, this was literally a tackle.


The Iggy rake across the arms in game 2 was just as extreme (and yes, I know bron travelled but were talking about fouls not travels here). Both blatant fouls. Both missed at key moments. Just accept that the reffing is poor in both directions.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#49 » by JC_ » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:36 am

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thizznation wrote:
Bertrob wrote:definitely a foul. but if warriors fans think this officiating has been Cavs bias this series, they're crazy


Nothing this extreme though, this was literally a tackle.


The Iggy rake across the arms in game 2 was just as extreme (and yes, I know bron travelled but were talking about fouls not travels here). Both blatant fouls. Both missed at key moments. Just accept that the reffing is poor in both directions.


The Iggy rake was way worse IMO. You can see the ref like 1 meter away watching it happen and not making the call. In the Curry case, there's at least some confusion because Lebron fell on his ass while knocking the ball away.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#50 » by Mr Loggins » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:45 am

thizznation wrote:http://streamable.com/ap24



The gif doesn't show Green's arm sneaking in there (again) pushing James into Curry. Good no call by the refs
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#51 » by LOUiS-D » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:47 am

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xAIRNESSx wrote:You could argue the ball was loose and LeBron made a dive at the ball, which is usually not a foul even if there is contact during the dive.

Back to basics. What did curry do wrong? He's holding a position, a player moves into him causing him to lose his footing in no uncertain terms. Regardless of where you are on the floor or what's happening with the ball, it's a foul.


Curry was dribbling upcourt, so I wouldn't necessarily say he's holding a position. There are often times no fouls are called on loose balls where there is contact going for the ball. I can understand the refs deciding to let it play on at that point in the game.

To your other post though, the trail ref actually had a clear view of the play. I just re-watched it.

When I say holding a position, I mean it in a loose sense in that Curry takes a legal position on the court that isn't moving into anyone else's space or cylinder. Whereas LeBron moves into a position that Curry is legally occupying.

Having an unobstructed view of a situation and good angle are separate issues when evaluating contact. From the trail position it could easily have looked like Curry is making a dive to recover the ball. It's hard to conceptualise 3-dimensionally, but from the trail's frame of reference, LeBron taking out Curry's far leg may not have been obvious.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#52 » by richboy » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:47 am

I thought it was a foul. Steph said he thought it was a foul. I'm not going to scream murder but was a big play. If they had called a foul it really changes the end of that game.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#53 » by r3demption » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:49 am

Because the refs cheat Lebron ! They give the warriors everything and never give the cavs anything !
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#54 » by donalddole » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:49 am

It's a foul all season long but perhaps not in the finals. Hell, I don't even know what a foul is anymore.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#55 » by heatwillbeback » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:53 am

It was but lets not act like Warriors didnt get some questionable calls in Oakland.

Home court benefit exists and is well in the NBA. Its nothing too new.
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Post#56 » by thizznation » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:55 am

heatwillbeback wrote:It was but lets not act like Warriors didnt get some questionable calls in Oakland.

Home court benefit exists and is well in the NBA. Its nothing too new.


There's a difference between getting benefit of the doubt and allowing LeBron to slide tackle people in the open court.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#57 » by heatwillbeback » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:00 am

thizznation wrote:
heatwillbeback wrote:It was but lets not act like Warriors didnt get some questionable calls in Oakland.

Home court benefit exists and is well in the NBA. Its nothing too new.


There's a difference between getting benefit of the doubt and allowing LeBron to slide tackle people in the open court.


I watched that play and was annoyed it wasnt called. Especially when that was followed up with a foul when a jump ball could have easily been called as a semi make up call (Delly got fouled, but that could of been called a jump ball without too much fuss).

However, Ive watched way too much NBA to be surprised by that no call. Its the NBA. You get some people who want nothing called at the end of games (let them play). You get others who want it called to a tee. Its not consistent.

One thing that is consistent though is that home teams will get the advantage.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#58 » by LOUiS-D » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:01 am

xAIRNESSx wrote:Curry was dribbling upcourt, so I wouldn't necessarily say he's holding a position. There are often times no fouls are called on loose balls where there is contact going for the ball. I can understand the refs deciding to let it play on at that point in the game.

To your other post though, the trail ref actually had a clear view of the play. I just re-watched it.

Also just wanted to mention I'm playing devils advocate here. They may have seen it and blown the call for a variety of other reasons or decided it was justifiably not a foul.
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Post#59 » by chyau.00 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:02 am

that's easily a yellow and possibly a red in soccer. definitely a foul in basketball. should have been a flagrant. taking out players' legs like that is extremely dangerous.
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Re: How is this LeBron James tackle not a foul? 

Post#60 » by teleblaze » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:09 am

What about the foul on thompson on a Delly LBJ oop? thompson was undercutting him.

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