Can a Transgender play in the NBA or WNBA?

[RebuildaBulls]

Transgender would do better in the WNBA than NBA

[Winsome Gerbil]

Transgender would do better in the WNBA than NBA

So would men, but that doesn't make it fair to the true women.

NBA = everybody, anybody good enough

WNBA = women only


If somebody makes the choice to get caught in between, that's on them, nobody else. Its not a way to optimize your ball career.

[ken6199]

C: Andrea Bargnani
PF: Kelly Olynyk
SF: Courtney Lee
SG: Jodie Meeks
PG: Shannon Brown

6th man: Tracy McGrady

Coach: Lindsey Hunter

[GYK]

Nope. Genetically men. I'll support your use of pronouns but I'm not gonna lie to myself.
You can play in the NBA tho.

[oaktownwarriors87]

There is a documentary about this on Netflix called Juwanna Mann.

[spaceballer]

Why not? Bosh is trans-species and he plays.

Dinosaurs were admitted into the league with the formation of the Toronto Raptors.

[DetroitPistons]

It's incredibly sad that so many diluted people think that undergoing gross cosmetic surgery and pumping synthetic hormones into their body makes them the opposite gender. It's even more scary that people actually believe it is healthy and normal.

[spaceballer]

Nope. Genetically men. I'll support your use of pronouns but I'm not gonna lie to myself.
You can play in the NBA tho.

It should be on a case by case basis. They could be genetically men but born as a female phenotype as an infant, or some mixed variant. Intersex children. No reason for them not to be able to play in the WNBA if they have none of the male advantages due to being born intersex.

[spaceballer]

If somebody makes the choice to get caught in between, that's on them, nobody else.

Some of them don't choose to be caught in between, but are born that way. And they need corrective surgery and hormone treatments to choose a gender, instead of staying stuck in-between when they were born as intersex children.

[GswSucks4Ever]

No way should they allow a male to female to play in the WNBA. Even after the mutilations its still a larger, stronger frame with narrower hips allowing for more athleticism. WNBA is for women to let them compete amongst themselves despite being naturally smaller and less athletic.

So think both cases would have to come to the NBA. I'm not even sure if the NBA has a "no women" rule does it? Its just assumed everybody would be a man because they are the largest/best athletes. But I remember Mark Cuban trying to bring somebody in, maybe Griner? just for publicity I think. So I would say that the only way to be fair to natural women would be for any transgenders to compete in the NBA, if anywhere. The NBA is just the "best basketball" league, regardless of genders. The WNBA is a league set for the protected class of women only.

Likely athleticism from top to bottom:

-------NBA-------
Male
Male to Female transgender (male frame and hips)
Hermaphrodite
Female to Male transgender (small frame and hips, but roids)
-------WNBA----------
Female

I somehow have even less respect for you after this post.

To answer the OP's question, yes Transgender persons would be allowed to play in both leagues, however only male to female transgenders would be able to play in the WNBA.

[spaceballer]

It's incredibly sad that so many diluted people think that undergoing gross cosmetic surgery and pumping synthetic hormones into their body makes them the opposite gender. It's even more scary that people actually believe it is healthy and normal.

You've got people getting face tattoos or full body tattoos, face piercing or genital piercings. What people do to their bodies should be their choice in this land of the free.

Besides, in the case of intersex children, what exactly is "opposite sex" for those born intersex. Surgery and hormones are needed for them to choose a gender.

I'd say bigotry and ignorance are sadder. And I'm not sure what a "diluted" person is unless it someone who does a lot of swimming or something.

[GswSucks4Ever]

It's incredibly sad that so many diluted people think that undergoing gross cosmetic surgery and pumping synthetic hormones into their body makes them the opposite gender. It's even more scary that people actually believe it is healthy and normal.

Thanks Doctor. Can you also share your wisdom on the cure for cancer. And depression? And the socioeconomic status of hispanics? After all we're all experts on complicated subject matters based on personal life experiences...

[miltk]

Lets say for example a male in the nba or a female in the wnba changes their gender will they still be able to play?

well first off, no female has the ability to play nba ball or even ncaa men's ball for that matter. since there's no advantage, she/he would be allowed - he/she wouldn't make it so it'd be allowed. as for the other way around, the wnba would see this as an advantage and would probably prohibit kobe from trying......

[DrCoach]

Only 69 days till the NBA season, hang in there guys..

[Mr Puddles]

It's incredibly sad that so many diluted people think that undergoing gross cosmetic surgery and pumping synthetic hormones into their body makes them the opposite gender. It's even more scary that people actually believe it is healthy and normal.

It's sad that so many deluded people care about what others do in their private lives. It's even more scary these same people actually believe that they are somehow an authority on what is healthy and normal.

[DetroitPistons]

It's incredibly sad that so many diluted people think that undergoing gross cosmetic surgery and pumping synthetic hormones into their body makes them the opposite gender. It's even more scary that people actually believe it is healthy and normal.

You've got people getting face tattoos or full body tattoos, face piercing or genital piercings. What people do to their bodies should be their choice in this land of the free.

Besides, in the case of intersex children, what exactly is "opposite sex" for those born intersex. Surgery and hormones are needed for them to choose a gender.

I'd say bigotry and ignorance are sadder. And I'm not sure what a "diluted" person is unless it someone who does a lot of swimming or something.

It's one thing to do what you want with your body. It's another thing to promote it and force it down everyone's throats as a normal and healthy lifestyle when it clearly is not. Pumping synthetic hormones into your body is obviously a health risk and the mental health of transgender people isn't good either as the suicide rate is astronomically high both before and after transition even it countries where it is universally accepted. It is a mental disorder that is endorsed in the name of pseudotolerance. Call me whatever names you like and I'll continue to spread the truth.

Also, this isn't about people who have a genetic defect that causes them be intersex. This is about physically healthy people choosing to mutilate their body and take synthetic hormones for the rest of their lives. These people need mental help just like people who have transableism, which is a mental disorder that makes people feel like their own limbs are not part of their body and want them removed. It would be foolish to amputate their limbs instead of offering mental help. The same goes for transgender people.

[DetroitPistons]

It's incredibly sad that so many diluted people think that undergoing gross cosmetic surgery and pumping synthetic hormones into their body makes them the opposite gender. It's even more scary that people actually believe it is healthy and normal.

It's sad that so many deluded people care about what others do in their private lives. It's even more scary these same people actually believe that they are somehow an authority on what is healthy and normal.

It's not about their private lives. It's about it being endorsed as a healthy alternative lifestyle when nothing can be further from the truth. People can smoke all they want in private but when you start teaching people that smoking is healthy then, yeah, I have a problem with that.

If you don't want to believe me then maybe you will believe John Hopkins Psychiatrist Paul McHugh. They realized how harmful sex changes were and discontinued them but I'm sure he is just an evil bigot too. Here is an article discussing the truth about transgenderism from Paul McHugh himself, who is indeed an authority on the subject.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

[ElodyTamTam]

People can smoke all they want in private but when you start teaching people that smoking is healthy then, yeah, I have a problem with that.

[Winsome Gerbil]

No way should they allow a male to female to play in the WNBA. Even after the mutilations its still a larger, stronger frame with narrower hips allowing for more athleticism. WNBA is for women to let them compete amongst themselves despite being naturally smaller and less athletic.

So think both cases would have to come to the NBA. I'm not even sure if the NBA has a "no women" rule does it? Its just assumed everybody would be a man because they are the largest/best athletes. But I remember Mark Cuban trying to bring somebody in, maybe Griner? just for publicity I think. So I would say that the only way to be fair to natural women would be for any transgenders to compete in the NBA, if anywhere. The NBA is just the "best basketball" league, regardless of genders. The WNBA is a league set for the protected class of women only.

Likely athleticism from top to bottom:

-------NBA-------
Male
Male to Female transgender (male frame and hips)
Hermaphrodite
Female to Male transgender (small frame and hips, but roids)
-------WNBA----------
Female

I somehow have even less respect for you after this post.

To answer the OP's question, yes Transgender persons would be allowed to play in both leagues, however only male to female transgenders would be able to play in the WNBA.

I could care less for your respect.

And no, waking up one morning and declaring yourself female, taking hormones, even going through the surgeries to chop off your male parts and possibly stick some silcone in your chest, isn't going to eliminate the serious size and remaining strength/athleticism issues that someone born a male is going to have over someone born a female.

Put simply, if Shaquille O'Neal decided at 25 that he wanted to be a woman, took hormones, got his parts removed, and then decided he could join the WNBA he would have completely wrecked it. It would go beyond unfair. No natural woman would ever or has ever been born that big and strong, hormone therapy or no. No natural woman born remotely that tall has ever had that kind of athleticism, and merely getting the jewels removed isn't going to eliminate enough of it to make it any kind of reasonable battle.

So no, genetic males can never play in the woman's league. That league exists for women for a reason. They have hips, they have breasts, they have smaller bone structures and less upper body muscle. Their bodies are designed to be able to handle the rigors of childbearing rather than being athletically optimized. Allowing ANY other human without that full range of athletic disadvantages to compete against natural unmodified females is blatantly unfair. if you are a man, were a man, or want to be a man and have taken steps, then welcome to the NBA if you've got the game.

The only people who have a right to complain in all of it are the hermaphrodites, because they didn't have a choice. But I would imagine in almost all cases they too have natural biologic structural advantages over women, so you don't get to just go down there and beat up the ladies because you're not 100% male either, anymore than because a JV player isn't quite ready for varsity he or she gets to just go down and beat up on the frosh instead. If there's no JV, then frosh are frosh and everybody else plays varsity.

[Mr Puddles]

It's incredibly sad that so many diluted people think that undergoing gross cosmetic surgery and pumping synthetic hormones into their body makes them the opposite gender. It's even more scary that people actually believe it is healthy and normal.

It's sad that so many deluded people care about what others do in their private lives. It's even more scary these same people actually believe that they are somehow an authority on what is healthy and normal.

It's not about their private lives. It's about it being endorsed as a healthy alternative lifestyle when nothing can be further from the truth. People can smoke all they want in private but when you start teaching people that smoking is healthy then, yeah, I have a problem with that.

If you don't want to believe me then maybe you will believe John Hopkins Psychiatrist Paul McHugh. They realized how harmful sex changes were and discontinued them but I'm sure he is just an evil bigot too. Here is an article discussing the truth about transgenderism from Paul McHugh himself, who is indeed an authority on the subject.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

A quick search on Paul McHugh reveals that he has a long history of selectively reading literature on the subject to apparently push his own agenda. McHugh is also of the opinion that homosexuality if is a choice, a position that I thought the even staunchest right wingers had given up on by now. http://www.transadvocate.com/clinging-to-a-dangerous-past-dr-paul-mchughs-selective-reading-of-transgender-medical-literature_n_13842.htm

There is one thing that we can agree on, all the facts need to be on the table about the dangerous of undergoing any type of cosmetic surgery - including transgender. Hopefully these facts can be presented without either left or rightwing bias.

However, referring this type of cosmetic surgery as "gross" , it seems like a main concern of yours is simply that transgender people are 'icky'.