Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas

teerfour+40LG · Post #41 » by **teerfour+40LG** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 7:12 pm

1. It's Isaiah Thomas.

2. As for being the second option, think about the Cousins, Gay, IT trio. The three of them together could score almost at will. Cousins was the #1, and given that Isaiah was the main ballhandler and the leader of the team while putting up 20 and 6 on good percentages, he was definitely #2 over Gay.

I say Isaiah Thomas can be the starting PG on the championship team, and I've been thinking that for four years.

Indy2LA · Post #42 » by **Indy2LA** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 7:32 pm

Thanks Isiah!

You're really improving Yogi Ferrell's chances of getting drafted

ChokeFasncists · Post #43 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 7:56 pm

He has been truly amazing under Stevens, props!

However, I think he's still best coming off the bench on a top caliber team if they get a guy like Cousins.

He is undersized on D and too shoot first on O if he gets elite scoring teammates.

DarkAzcura · Post #44 » by **DarkAzcura** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:11 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:He has been truly amazing under Stevens, props!

However, I think he's still best coming off the bench on a top caliber team if they get a guy like Cousins.

He is undersized on D and too shoot first on O if he gets elite scoring teammates.

Just wondering about the bolded. Do you feel that way about guys like Walker, Irving, and Lillard?

Threethrows · Post #45 » by **Threethrows** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:21 pm

thierry wrote:He's around the 7th-10th best PG in the league

For sure better:
Curry
Paul
Lillard
Westbrook
Lowry
Wall

In his territory:
Walker
Bledsoe
Conley
Irving

Close but I disagree. He belongs in the top group. Wall does not.

ChokeFasncists · Post #46 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:30 pm

DarkAzcura wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:He has been truly amazing under Stevens, props!

However, I think he's still best coming off the bench on a top caliber team if they get a guy like Cousins.

He is undersized on D and too shoot first on O if he gets elite scoring teammates.

Just wondering about the bolded. Do you feel that way about guys like Walker, Irving, and Lillard?

Definitely Irving, it's apparently not working very well in Cleveland and there's a thread about this, where I agreed with OP that their only hope for a championship this year would be for him to come off the bench.

Walker, before this year for sure, this year with Batum as the point forward it's totally different. But still would be even better if he comes off the bench.

Lillard is 6-3 and it seems to me he's a bit better all around than these other guys so it's still a question mark. OTOH, he had LMMA, Batum and Matthews around him and couldn't get to the next level; if they had a great facilitating/D PG with Lil Dayum coming off the bench, wow! Or they put the ball in Batum's hand like what the Hornets are doing......

DarkAzcura · Post #47 » by **DarkAzcura** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:36 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:He has been truly amazing under Stevens, props!

However, I think he's still best coming off the bench on a top caliber team if they get a guy like Cousins.

He is undersized on D and too shoot first on O if he gets elite scoring teammates.

Just wondering about the bolded. Do you feel that way about guys like Walker, Irving, and Lillard?

Definitely Irving, it's apparently not working very well in Cleveland and there's a thread about this, where I agreed with OP that their only hope for a championship this year would be for him to come off the bench.

Walker, before this year for sure, this year with Batum as the point forward it's totally different. But still would be even better if he comes off the bench.

Lillard is 6-3 and it seems to me he's a bit better all around than these other guys so it's still a question mark. OTOH, he had LMMA, Batum and Matthews around him and couldn't get to the next level; if they had a great facilitating/D PG with Lil Dayum coming off the bench, wow! Or they put the ball in Batum's hand like what the Hornets are doing......

Interesting. I definitely don't disagree with much here. These four guards are pretty similar in that they are primarily scorers. I think Lillard and Thomas have the edge on play making, IMO, but they all definitely lean one way in that respect. I think it would be hard for all of these guys to accept coming off the bench. They are all so talented. IT did it last season, but he didn't like it. He dealt with it because we were winning, but I think is play making is a tad underrated (along with the other two except Irving).

ChokeFasncists · Post #48 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:44 pm

DarkAzcura wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
Just wondering about the bolded. Do you feel that way about guys like Walker, Irving, and Lillard?

Definitely Irving, it's apparently not working very well in Cleveland and there's a thread about this, where I agreed with OP that their only hope for a championship this year would be for him to come off the bench.

Walker, before this year for sure, this year with Batum as the point forward it's totally different. But still would be even better if he comes off the bench.

Lillard is 6-3 and it seems to me he's a bit better all around than these other guys so it's still a question mark. OTOH, he had LMMA, Batum and Matthews around him and couldn't get to the next level; if they had a great facilitating/D PG with Lil Dayum coming off the bench, wow! Or they put the ball in Batum's hand like what the Hornets are doing......

Interesting. I definitely don't disagree with much here. These four guards are pretty similar in that they are primarily scorers. I think Lillard and Thomas have the edge on play making, IMO, but they all definitely lean one way in that respect. I think it would be hard for all of these guys to accept coming off the bench. They are all so talented. IT did it last season, but he didn't like it. He dealt with it because we were winning, but I think is play making is a tad underrated (along with the other two except Irving).

That's true and it's really a dilemma. Old school Zeke averaged around 10 apg and 15 once! These guys average like 5 or 6, it'd be hard for them to win big. OTOH, last year it was a travesty with the three PG set up with him only get 25 mpg. It'd be best to get a solid passer/defender in front of them who can guard SGs and still play these guys at least 30 mpg.

E-Balla · Post #49 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:51 pm

Just as good as Dame/Kemba/healthy Kyrie. When he got 7.5 mil I remember making a thread about him being so criminally underpaid. Seriously 3 inches were between him getting a max contract and 7.5 a year?

DarkAzcura · Post #50 » by **DarkAzcura** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:54 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Definitely Irving, it's apparently not working very well in Cleveland and there's a thread about this, where I agreed with OP that their only hope for a championship this year would be for him to come off the bench.

Walker, before this year for sure, this year with Batum as the point forward it's totally different. But still would be even better if he comes off the bench.

Lillard is 6-3 and it seems to me he's a bit better all around than these other guys so it's still a question mark. OTOH, he had LMMA, Batum and Matthews around him and couldn't get to the next level; if they had a great facilitating/D PG with Lil Dayum coming off the bench, wow! Or they put the ball in Batum's hand like what the Hornets are doing......

Interesting. I definitely don't disagree with much here. These four guards are pretty similar in that they are primarily scorers. I think Lillard and Thomas have the edge on play making, IMO, but they all definitely lean one way in that respect. I think it would be hard for all of these guys to accept coming off the bench. They are all so talented. IT did it last season, but he didn't like it. He dealt with it because we were winning, but I think is play making is a tad underrated (along with the other two except Irving).

That's true and it's really a dilemma. Old school Zeke averaged around 10 apg and 15 once! These guys average like 5 or 6, it'd be hard for them to win big. OTOH, last year it was a travesty with the three PG set up with him only get 25 mpg. It'd be best to get a solid passer/defender in front of them who can guard SGs and still play these guys at least 30 mpg.

That's essentially what Marcus Smart is and is supposed to be for the Celtics at least. Jeremy Lin for you guys a bit. They just aren't the starters.

jc23 · Post #51 » by **jc23** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:39 pm

he is an offensive talent, but his impact is limited due to his size. A well coached team will find a way to use his size to their favor.

As a 6th man he could help a team win a title.

Zaschrona · Post #52 » by **Zaschrona** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:06 pm

He still is underrated. Was deservedly selected to play in ASG. He has that needed alfa-thing in him that makes him an offensive star, he is Boston's offense, without him we are quite lost in offense. His defense is underrated, is quite ok defender actually, the only problem is his height, which limites him greatly. But on the other hand it allows him to change the pace greatly. In my opinion he is 3rd guy on a champ caliber team. Ideally suited to play with your bench and be the guy for your bench. Criminally underpaid.

ChokeFasncists · Post #53 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:25 pm

DarkAzcura wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
DarkAzcura wrote:
Interesting. I definitely don't disagree with much here. These four guards are pretty similar in that they are primarily scorers. I think Lillard and Thomas have the edge on play making, IMO, but they all definitely lean one way in that respect. I think it would be hard for all of these guys to accept coming off the bench. They are all so talented. IT did it last season, but he didn't like it. He dealt with it because we were winning, but I think is play making is a tad underrated (along with the other two except Irving).

That's true and it's really a dilemma. Old school Zeke averaged around 10 apg and 15 once! These guys average like 5 or 6, it'd be hard for them to win big. OTOH, last year it was a travesty with the three PG set up with him only get 25 mpg. It'd be best to get a solid passer/defender in front of them who can guard SGs and still play these guys at least 30 mpg.

That's essentially what Marcus Smart is and is supposed to be for the Celtics at least. Jeremy Lin for you guys a bit. They just aren't the starters.

You mean Smart starting in front of IT? Exactly, but Smart is still young, he's got potential. When he gets that jumper and passing game in, that could be really something.

Lin's still got some flaws but he averages 18/5/4 as starter, not too shabby. He has significantly improved his D and ballhandling this year. This or next offseason would be telling.

emphi54 · Post #54 » by **emphi54** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:26 pm

jc23 wrote:he is an offensive talent, but his impact is limited due to his size. A well coached team will find a way to use his size to their favor.

As a 6th man he could help a team win a title.

No guards today have the post game to take advantage of his size

TroubleS0me · Post #55 » by **TroubleS0me** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 4:10 am

better Kyrie
remember those comparisions..

Up-And-Coming · Post #56 » by **Up-And-Coming** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:08 am

I have been impressed with Isaiah Thomas. I think he is better than Wall and arguably better than Kyrie

Wonderllama · Post #57 » by **Wonderllama** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:14 am

Kings were so stupid to let him go. Suns had him on a nice contract and got rid of him too.

Maybe Thomas is hard to deal with behind the scenes?

CablexDeadpool · Post #58 » by **CablexDeadpool** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:16 am

I remember how people were saying replacing him with Darren Collison was a good idea because IT is a "ball hog".

Then I heard the same thing when he was traded to the Suns...

And look where he is at...and where the Kings and Suns are at...

IT proved himself, and he's one of my favorite current players in the league and when you put 20 and 6 and you are an above average efficiency guard at 5'9, you a starter caliber player. IDGAF.

CablexDeadpool · Post #59 » by **CablexDeadpool** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:23 am

Wonderllama wrote:Kings were so stupid to let him go. Suns had him on a nice contract and got rid of him too.

Maybe Thomas is hard to deal with behind the scenes?

Kings thought he was a ball hog.

Isaiah Thomas was added under the impression that he have a chance to start at the Suns. (Suns suck at dealing with players for some reason. Seems like they sign players under false pretenses.)

From all accounts, he isn't a crappy teammate.

Mysticist · Post #60 » by **Mysticist** » Fri Apr 8, 2016 5:35 am

dolphinatik wrote:overachiever, keep getting those checks

maybe im a hater but i feel that it is every NBA players job to be as good as Isaiah Thomas, good for him he keeps his skills up and works hard to be that good despite his size. However for small players he hasnt impressed me as much as a Nate Robinson but he does seem to fit the current Celtics and plays within their team concept better than a Nate could.

Not maybe you're most definitely hating, to compare IT and Robinson is just laughable, IT is an All star and can single-handedly take over games I've always liked Robinson's game but he is no where near IT.