The Misunderstanding of the Raptors.

DeezRaptors · Post #41 » by **DeezRaptors** » Sat May 21, 2016 12:39 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:This post reeks of butthurt.

The Raptor's play is embarrassing right now. There's just no denying that. The Detroit Pistons played better.

Detroit matched up better. Also Raptors dont have their starting C. Byt they sre playing horrible this round for sure. Not ready for real contenders

KnightofHyrule · Post #42 » by **KnightofHyrule** » Sat May 21, 2016 12:40 am

Muckraker wrote:For those who think the Clippers are on the same level as the Raps look at their All-Star PGs and tell me who raises their play in the playoffs and who is the dumpster fire

Raptors Heat Game 7
Kyle Lowry: 35pts, 9ast, 7reb, 4stls, 55% from the field, plus-31
Dwyane Wade: 16pts, 4ast, 4reb, 0stls, 46% from the field, minus-28

When the season was on the line, one All-Star stepped up and one didn't.

tundraknight · Post #43 » by **tundraknight** » Sat May 21, 2016 12:56 am

For years and years people have been telling me "Raps in 4" yet it has NEVER HAPPENED.

Yes I know it is a sarcastic "joke", but that joke makes fans like to troll the Raps even more.

Muckraker · Post #44 » by **Muckraker** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:02 am

KnightofHyrule wrote:
Muckraker wrote:For those who think the Clippers are on the same level as the Raps look at their All-Star PGs and tell me who raises their play in the playoffs and who is the dumpster fire

Raptors Heat Game 7
Kyle Lowry: 35pts, 9ast, 7reb, 4stls, 55% from the field, plus-31
Dwyane Wade: 16pts, 4ast, 4reb, 0stls, 46% from the field, minus-28

When the season was on the line, one All-Star stepped up and one didn't.

Everyone but die hard Raps fan will tell you that that was his only hot game in these 2016 playoffs and his general play has not remedied his averages one bit.

Also
Kyle Lowry
11 pts 3 turnovers 35% FG 0-4 3FG 0 +/- in a close out game in the 1st round in his athletic prime. And that's your absolute best player
:noway:

Post #45 » by **dockingsched** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:17 am

As long as its acknowledged and accepted that the raps are another team in a long line of non contenders to make the conference finals out east then there's no issues.

Kabookalu · Post #46 » by **Kabookalu** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:23 am

Swindle wrote:I'm not gonna fault fans for being optimistic that they'll have a contender soon after injuries heal, the draft, and free agency. As it stands now, Cavs have been able to really separate themselves from the rest of the pack in the east during these playoffs. The Raptors have been pretty disappointing to watch so far so of course there is going to be hate. I'd like to see them put up more of a fight in the next couple of games.

I always thought the Raptor fan base was pretty amazing, but a lot of my perception has changed during these playoffs. For example, I really enjoyed Bruno Skulls' gifs during Heat vs Raptor games all season. Even during the playoffs he was celebrated and admired for his talent on the Heat board. None of it was taken personal. The Heat board has an equally talented poster that has(had) a friendly gif war going with Bruno that both fan bases are aware of and have really enjoyed watching. However, once the playoffs started your fan base changed for the worse and were all of a sudden quick to mash the "Report" button on the gifs he posted. He wasn't given the same respect that we kept showing Bruno on the Heat board. Your Mod was quick to ban our guy not just from the Raptor board, but from RealGM. I don't solely place the blame on the Mod because it was your fans that alerted the Mod to begin with, and the mods have to do their job which can at times be damned if you do, damned if you don't. Every team has to deal with crap from other fans at one point or another, but you can't be overly sensitive about it because the trolls will eat you alive.

Marako was banned?!?! Jeez man, I know Raptors fans didn't like him posting on our board, but man, shouldn't have gotten banned for that at all. I loved the gif battles between him and Bruno, now we're never gonna see that again.

oikosnomos · Post #47 » by **oikosnomos** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:24 am

KnightofHyrule wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:Welcome to big boy territory. When your team gets this far and plays like crap, people are going to dump on them.

BINGO!
Did you know that every...EVERY...EVERY...Heat championship has an asterisk in front of it?.....

Congratulations, you've graduated to the next level...

I guess so. Worst conference finals team in history though? F**k that. They were some nasty teams in the past with wouldn't hold a candle to Toronto's slashers. I can't even say last year's Hawks were better.....Raps 6-2 against them in the past 2 seasons.

I gotta find that thicker skin that everybody is talking about.

The Raptors always got crapped on. This year they advanced far, got a top ten draft pick and got crapped on. Sounds like a good year.

Spens1 · Post #48 » by **Spens1** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:27 am

steamed hams wrote:Fire Casey

something you should have done last season.

I mean if you had a coach like Vogel or Blatt there is no way you would be worse than you are now

Spens1 · Post #49 » by **Spens1** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:30 am

To answer the question, you've put up no competition at all to the Cavaliers, none at all. not really your fault but getting blown out by more than 20 a game isn't exactly good basketball, and makes it look you aren't worthy of being at the stage that you are. I mean the Spurs would have murdered you in 4 and they're out of the playoffs already, the two teams in the West would sweep you also. I'd argue Portland would beat you the way you are playing now, no one on the Raptors is playing well at all in this series, your star player has gone missing and the other one has been exposed badly.

The first two rounds you had the series go the full 7 games. That ain't good

Post #50 » by **og15** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:46 am

KnightofHyrule wrote:
og15 wrote:
KnightofHyrule wrote:If we land a Kevin Durant or a scorer/distributer of all-star caliber, DeRozan won't be resigned. And honestly, Clippers lost to the Raptors by 12, 16, 11 and 18 in the last 4 games, and they were at full strength for majority of them.
Be very wary of regular season series' and using them as a determining factor in matchups between teams. The more important things are whose stars maintain or improve their performance in the post-season, which team can make the better adjustments, and who can defend the other better. It's a different ball game when a team is specifically game planning for another as opposed to just cross conference matchups.

Do you remember how Brookly in 13-14 swept the regular season series vs Miami? Of course they met in the playoffs and Miami won 4-1. Of course we can't forget the whole rage about Atlanta beating Cleveland 3-1 in the regular season series last season. In 13-14 OKC had actually swept the Spurs in the regular season, they then lost 4-2 in the post-season, Ibaka did have injury issues though if one wants to cite that.

I never liked the whole "regular season is different than the playoffs" argument.

The Golden State Warriors have won 73 wins, defeating many teams in the process, and are the favorites to beat every team in the playoffs. Cavs swept the season series against Atlanta, and then proceeded to sweep them in playoffs. Their regular season success has translated to playoff success.

More often than not, probably 90% of the time, the winner of the regular season head to head wins the playoff head to head. Also, the teams that don't win the regular season head to head but win in the playoffs generally have a better record (with a few exceptions). The Raptors have both a better record and regular season head to head over the Clippers over the past two seasons. The Clippers could certainly win that series, but I would have to take a healthy Raptors team with home-court advantage as a safe bet.

Just about everyone is aware that the Clippers who had won 56, 57 and 56 games the three previous seasons were more than a 53 win team if healthy. Clippers have 109 wins over the last two seasons, Raptors have 105. Also I don't know where you're getting this 90% from, I just gave you three examples in the past three seasons of teams not just losing, but being swept and losing 3-1 in the season series, much better than a two season 4 games sample size. Sure, the team that usually wins the regular season series will win, but this is because generally most of the top 3 teams in a conference would have won their regular season series vs the bottom 3 teams, and they will usually win those series', but it's definitely not 90%.

Let's look at some additional recent ones to add to the one mentioned earlier:

*12-13 Memphis 2-2 vs SA, got swept (due to injury, Memphis also beat LAC and OKC in the post-season, teams they lost 3-1 to in the regular season, but injuries to Griffin and Westbrook were a confounding factor)

Not actual series', but some other scenarios where one team wins the regular season series', but one wouldn't necessarily expect them to win the post-season. Toronto won the 14-15 series 3-1 vs Atlanta, and New York won the 13-14 seasons series 3-1 vs Miami.

When we're talking about the better teams playing each other, the regular season series becomes fairly irrelevant unless there's some exploit that one team has figured out against the other that is non-redeemable. This is not something new, we know this.

Post #51 » by **tsherkin** » Sat May 21, 2016 2:35 am

Choker wrote:Marako was banned?!?! Jeez man, I know Raptors fans didn't like him posting on our board, but man, shouldn't have gotten banned for that at all. I loved the gif battles between him and Bruno, now we're never gonna see that again.

He grabbed a 7-day, not an actual ban from RealGM, FWIW. He's been back from that for a week already, and has been all over the GOT and Heat boards. Anyway, this thread isn't the place to discuss that.

Blakhomer · Post #52 » by **Blakhomer** » Sat May 21, 2016 3:22 am

Completely inappropriate comment

KL78192020 · Post #53 » by **KL78192020** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:01 am

Half the Raptor fans need on this board need to grow up. Who didn't see this coming? The team is just outmatched in terms of pure talent; end of story. I've been a fan since they came into the league, appreciate the moment, but be realistic.

LameR · Post #54 » by **LameR** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:02 am

I think the issue at hand some of the time is that it goes beyond being given credit for making the conference finals in a conference that isn't loaded (and hasn't been in a while). I think it is with communicating an anticipation of continuous improvement with the roster at hand to where it would be EXPECTED that they'd be in the finals and contending for a championship without some dramatic roster changes. Lowry and Derozan can't be your 1a and 1b on a championship team, plain and simple. So as nice as it is that they're doing this well, they're not a true championship contender. Do they have the potential to be a contender for the finals in the future? Absolutely! But when you still have to find a player who's better than your best player to have a chance at winning it all, it's hard to take the "future contender" status too seriously.

I think the other issue is just simply it feels like the fans (maybe a vocal minority) are boasting rather than enjoying the fact they've made it this far. As a Blazers fan, we had no business being in the second round, and we didn't even expect to make it to the playoffs. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely! But would I hold that over teams who made first round exits due to more difficult matchups, no way. It's great the Raps have made it this far, but enjoy it for what it is, hope for continued improvement and development, and be okay with it not being as good as other teams. Being one of the final four is an ENORMOUS accomplishment, allow it to be that.

Salted Meat · Post #55 » by **Salted Meat** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:02 am

I mean, the Raptors have always had to take crap from America.

First it was because we're a in a different country. Then it was the tax rate. Then it was the metric system. Then it was that the food is different. Then it was because we didn't get the "good" cable. Then it was because it's cold in the winter.Then it was because no free agents would sign with us. Then it was because we couldn't get players to stay here.

Then it was because we were basement dwellers for years.

Then it was because we couldn't get past the first round in the playoffs.

Then it was because we couldn't put up a fight against a team with arguably the best player in the world, who has had 9 days rest coming into the series, who is facing a team that's played 6 more games, and is missing their starting center.

So if you ever wonder why Raptors fans go crazy over the most minute of successes, that's why.

Everything we are has never been good enough for you.

Vlade Divac · Post #56 » by **Vlade Divac** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:03 am

BBallFreak wrote:
Vlade Divac wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:BINGO!

If Miami had won game 7 and were playing like this against the Cavs, don't you think Heat fans would be getting this kind of talk right now?

If you're going to play with the big boys, you gotta get a thicker skin. Comes with the territory.

Did you know that every...EVERY...EVERY...Heat championship has an asterisk in front of it? In 2006, it's the refs. In 2012 LeBron needed help to win so therefore they don't deserve it. In 2013 it was a lucky bail out shot by Ray Allen. The team hasn't won a single ring by their own merits. Did you know that? We Heat fans have heard it for years.

Congratulations, you've graduated to the next level...

Just go visit the Raptors board. Large portion of Raps fan base is livid about this team more than any fan outside of Canada. It is really a twilight zone where on one hand you have achieved something you have never done before - ECF - and on the other hand you painfully realized that you are miles away from being real contender. When you add ugly, laborious ISO heavy play, for some of us it really shades a shine of ECF.

We are not blessed with sexiness of Miami were every big dog wants to go on discount and where you guys can go and buy a title anytime you budget allows it. Since you mentioned no disrespect, but of all your titles I am giving you 2006 while other two in my book have even bigger asterisk than the one you see. The same thing is going to happen if Cleveland wins a title this year (I hope not). When you manage to get the titles like GSWs or SAs of this league did, than you will remove all asterisks and have respect of all true NBA fans.

Waaaaaaa!!!!!

You didn't win the right way!!!!

Welcome to free agency, buckaroo! It's 2016, not 1982. Players now factor in to the equation of championship building. If San Antonio had won a ring this year woul you place an asterisk in front of that one because they stole LaMarcus Aldridge? If Cleveland wins this year, what exactly did they do wrong? They drafted James, Thompson, and Irving, and gave up a hefty sum to land Love. Are the ring chasers glomming on (Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson) really the problem? Didn't they overpay for Mozgov? Was the Shumpert/JR Smith trade so horrible that it negates any potential ring? Is Delladova's hustle play so dirty that he's the problem?

And if your Raptors pull of an 11th hour miracle and win the whole shebang, do they deserve an asterisk? Afterall, Lowry wasn't a guy they developed. Neither was Bismack Biyombo, Cory Joseph, DeMarre Carroll, or Patrick Patterson.

Hypocrisy.

No one does it all "The Right Way" anymore. Free agency, trades forced by players...they factor in. They're reality.

So is criticism. You want to be good? Get used to the criticism. It won't stop because you get all huffy about it...

Believe it or not but I am as critical of my team, as any other non Raptors fan. I know what's good there and what has to change. So I am not sensitive to criticism. On contrary I invite it as tool to get better.

As far as your Miami is concerned, I know truth hurts. I am sorry but you cannot compare stacking all stars "buddy-buddy", "we'll take ring on discount" Miami style with regular free agents where player decide to go to a place where he is offered money and prospect to play for the ring. Even than priority for them will always be Miami and such. Not to mention Jo Johnsons and wish to play for contender (like Miami is contender!?).

The fact is that no mater how good your team is, but it's not "sexy" enough, best players won't come and for these not as good even if they come you will have to over-pay.

No one expects that teams play only players they develop. FA is part of the game, and as such should be fair and open for all teams. But unfortunately it is not! How can you develop talent when as soon it blooms and shows potential it gets stolen from you? Do I need to remind you of Carters, McGradys and Boshs of NBA. Are you suggesting that when they leave we have to play only rookies, because you deny us a chance to get FA because they are not someone we developed?!?. Mind you all current Raps players you mentioned were third tier players who increased their value while playing in Raptors, not before. The only one who was "big name FA" is also the only one who regressed.

We, as Raptors fans, accepted the fact that we are not Miami and our road to title is going to be ten times harder. But you don't have to listen what I am saying. You KNOW how NBA fans from all 30 markets feel about Miami, Cleveland, LA and New York. So keep you rings, wear them proudly, no one will take them from you. But let us, the drags of poor side of NBA community, have our opinions and put asterisks where we think they belong. Call it envy or jealousy or anything you like. To be totally transparent, after all I would not mind if Raptors win few titles and Miami fans count them as titles with asterisks!

Umbooki · Post #57 » by **Umbooki** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:06 am

Canada is a cool place. I don't understand the obsession with poutine, but the milkbags and monopoly money are pretty dope.

As for the Raps, it's fun to poke fun at them because sections of their fanbase are very bipolar. Terrence Ross, for example, constantly teeters between "GOAT" and "Mental Midget with an Xbox" It's the sort of insanity that I can appreciate.

When you're playing LeBron's team in a 7-game series, you better be ready to hear a bunch of nonsense on ESPN. After all, the personalities need things to talk about on the off-days.

Dennis 37 · Post #58 » by **Dennis 37** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:14 am

Vlade Divac wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:Welcome to big boy territory. When your team gets this far and plays like crap, people are going to dump on them.

BINGO!

If Miami had won game 7 and were playing like this against the Cavs, don't you think Heat fans would be getting this kind of talk right now?

If you're going to play with the big boys, you gotta get a thicker skin. Comes with the territory.

Did you know that every...EVERY...EVERY...Heat championship has an asterisk in front of it? In 2006, it's the refs. In 2012 LeBron needed help to win so therefore they don't deserve it. In 2013 it was a lucky bail out shot by Ray Allen. The team hasn't won a single ring by their own merits. Did you know that? We Heat fans have heard it for years.

Congratulations, you've graduated to the next level...

Just go visit the Raptors board. Large portion of Raps fan base is livid about this team more than any fan outside of Canada. It is really a twilight zone where on one hand you have achieved something you have never done before - ECF - and on the other hand you painfully realized that you are miles away from being real contender. When you add ugly, laborious ISO heavy play, for some of us it really shades a shine of ECF.

We are not blessed with sexiness of Miami were every big dog wants to go on discount and where you guys can go and buy a title anytime you budget allows it. Since you mentioned no disrespect, but of all your titles I am giving you 2006 while other two in my book have even bigger asterisk than the one you see. The same thing is going to happen if Cleveland wins a title this year (I hope not). When you manage to get the titles like GSWs or SAs of this league did, than you will remove all asterisks and have respect of all true NBA fans.

Why would you give them credit for 2006? Alonzo Mourning should not have been on that team for the price they paid for him. The man fraudulently ripped off Toronto by claiming he was too ill to play. Do you really think the Raptors would have bought him out if they knew he was healthy enough to play? No, they would have put him up for trade.

Think of it this way. Let's say Bosh, instead of sitting on your bench this season, goes and sits courtside at Raptor games. He announces that he is too ill to ever play again. The Heat buy him out. Once bought out he signs for the vet minimum in Toronto, plays a significant role in Toronto and the Raptors win a championship. Should the Raptor championship have an asterisk?

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #59 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:18 am

MotownMadness wrote:I think people love to knock them while they are down because of how cocky and trolling the fan base has become on here.

I think this is likely a pretty big reason.

Every fan base has those annoying, cocky, in your face fans. When a team is struggling, they tend to hide out. When the team has success, they come out in full force. The Raptors have far and away the largest fan base on here and I think a few bad apples are making the rest of the batch look bad.

Vlade Divac · Post #60 » by **Vlade Divac** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:24 am

Dennis 37 wrote:
Vlade Divac wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:BINGO!

If Miami had won game 7 and were playing like this against the Cavs, don't you think Heat fans would be getting this kind of talk right now?

If you're going to play with the big boys, you gotta get a thicker skin. Comes with the territory.

Did you know that every...EVERY...EVERY...Heat championship has an asterisk in front of it? In 2006, it's the refs. In 2012 LeBron needed help to win so therefore they don't deserve it. In 2013 it was a lucky bail out shot by Ray Allen. The team hasn't won a single ring by their own merits. Did you know that? We Heat fans have heard it for years.

Congratulations, you've graduated to the next level...

Just go visit the Raptors board. Large portion of Raps fan base is livid about this team more than any fan outside of Canada. It is really a twilight zone where on one hand you have achieved something you have never done before - ECF - and on the other hand you painfully realized that you are miles away from being real contender. When you add ugly, laborious ISO heavy play, for some of us it really shades a shine of ECF.

We are not blessed with sexiness of Miami were every big dog wants to go on discount and where you guys can go and buy a title anytime you budget allows it. Since you mentioned no disrespect, but of all your titles I am giving you 2006 while other two in my book have even bigger asterisk than the one you see. The same thing is going to happen if Cleveland wins a title this year (I hope not). When you manage to get the titles like GSWs or SAs of this league did, than you will remove all asterisks and have respect of all true NBA fans.

Why would you give them credit for 2006? Alonzo Mourning should not have been on that team for the price they paid for him. The man fraudulently ripped off Toronto by claiming he was too ill to play. Do you really think the Raptors would have bought him out if they knew he was healthy enough to play? No, they would have put him up for trade.

Think of it this way. Let's say Bosh, instead of sitting on your bench this season, goes and sits courtside at Raptor games. He announces that he is too ill to ever play again. The Heat buy him out. Once bought out he signs for the vet minimum in Toronto, plays a significant role in Toronto and the Raptors win a championship. Should the Raptor championship have an asterisk?

Oh I totally forgot that shameful moment. Till this day I cannot understand how NBA allowed it. But I am man of my word so I am giving him 2006 without asterisk.