Phoenex GM Ryan McDonough gets revenge on Danny Ainge for the Isaiah trade, through the draft

LV-Suns · Post #41 » by **LV-Suns** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:04 am

OldCeltics wrote:
LV-Suns wrote:Ainge had no interest drafting him when he held the first overall pick, didn't even approach his camp with any interest. Jackson at that time worked out for other teams and got a promise from the Suns. Ainge realizes that Fultz might not be the best prospect in the draft later, trades down a week before the draft.

Why would Jackson workout for Boston that late risking an injury when he knows he will be gone at 4? if anything, Ainge looks pretty sheepish going after Jackson late just to use him as a another trade asset.

After all that happened Josh Jackson camp scheduled a work out with Celtics, but made them fly out cross-country. After they made the flight he cancelled.

I don't doubt that McD reached out to JJ's camp and explained the scenario. Probably told him about the PT available in Phoenix compared to the log jam in Boston. There are plenty of reasons why he could have cancelled that workout 5(!) days before the draft.

JJ most likely had a promise from Philadelphia and Phoenix. If anything, he is upset Philadelphia backed off last minute to draft Fultz, who he considers an inferior player(hence the tweet). Boston came into this party late

OldCeltics · Post #42 » by **OldCeltics** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:04 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
Lakerfan17 wrote:All they probably did was make him a draft guarantee.

A draft guarantee doesn't preclude working out for someone else. You never know, good to have a backup plan. Almost certainly it was more than that.

Post #43 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:06 am

chabber wrote:Ainge was lying anyway. Traded the first pick saying he'd still get the same guy at 3. If it was Tatum then why schedule a workout that close to the draft with Jackson.

Ainge always schedules second workouts with guys he drafts. Not sure why scheduling a second workout with a guy the week of the draft is evidence of Ainge lying...

13th Man · Post #44 » by **13th Man** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:08 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
13th Man wrote:
LV-Suns wrote:Ainge had no interest drafting him when he held the first overall pick, didn't even approach his camp with any interest. Jackson at that time worked out for other teams and got a promise from the Suns. Ainge realizes that Fultz might not be the best prospect in the draft later, trades down a week before the draft.

Why would Jackson workout for Boston that late risking an injury when he knows he will be gone at 4? if anything, Ainge looks pretty sheepish going after Jackson late just to use him as a another trade asset.

Why would they work him out at #1, he's not #1 worthy. Turns out he's not even #3 worthy either.

Just like Kawhi or IT weren't #1 worthy, or #3 worth apparently. What silly logic.

You can't work out everybody, Leonard was picked #15, IT the last pick. Just to be safe why don't every team work out 50 players to make sure they don't leave any stones unturned?

The Celtics didn't see him as an option at #1 but felt that he'd be worth a look at #3, nothing wrong with that.

DaleyBlind · Post #45 » by **DaleyBlind** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:08 am

The Corey's wrote:Explain revenge.

We still have Thomas.

And we have Tatum and they are stuck with the guy who can't shoot

Tatum - 34% 3pt
Jackson - 38% 3pt

And now you an bring up the FT %

The Corey's · Post #46 » by **The Corey's** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:09 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
The Corey's wrote:Explain revenge.

We still have Thomas.

And we have Tatum and they are stuck with the guy who can't shoot

Tatum - 34% 3pt
Jackson - 38% 3pt

And now you an bring up the FT %

Meh

Jackson can't shoot.

Post #47 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:10 am

Gamesmanship happens all the time. Couldn't care less that he refused to workout--that's well within his rights and he should utilize whatever leverage he can to get to where he wants.

Canceling a workout when a guy is mid flight cross country to see you is a dick move, though. No two ways about it.

DaleyBlind · Post #48 » by **DaleyBlind** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:10 am

13th Man wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Why would they work him out at #1, he's not #1 worthy. Turns out he's not even #3 worthy either.

Just like Kawhi or IT weren't #1 worthy, or #3 worth apparently. What silly logic.

You can't work out everybody, Leonard was picked #15, IT the last pick. Just to be safe why don't every team work out 50 players to make sure they don't leave any stones unturned?

The Celtics didn't see him as an option at #1 but felt that he'd be worth a look at #3, nothing wrong with that.

You just said he wasnt #3 worthy, and now he was worth a look at #3?? which is it

13th Man · Post #49 » by **13th Man** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:10 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
13th Man wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
Just like Kawhi or IT weren't #1 worthy, or #3 worth apparently. What silly logic.

You can't work out everybody, Leonard was picked #15, IT the last pick. Just to be safe why don't every team work out 50 players to make sure they don't leave any stones unturned?

The Celtics didn't see him as an option at #1 but felt that he'd be worth a look at #3, nothing wrong with that.

You just said he wasnt #3 worthy, and now he was worth a look at #3?? which is it

I said apparently, since they ended up not picking him.

Post #50 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:11 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
The Corey's wrote:Explain revenge.

We still have Thomas.

And we have Tatum and they are stuck with the guy who can't shoot

Tatum - 34% 3pt
Jackson - 38% 3pt

And now you an bring up the FT %

Naw, I bring up sample size, neither of which is large enough to definitely declare anything

Mulhollanddrive · Post #51 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:13 am

25 years ago Ainge left John Paxton 15 feet open.

Yesterday Ainge left Josh Jackson 15 minutes open.

I hope they both end up with championships on the end of it.

DaleyBlind · Post #52 » by **DaleyBlind** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:13 am

The Corey's wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
The Corey's wrote:Explain revenge.

We still have Thomas.

And we have Tatum and they are stuck with the guy who can't shoot

Tatum - 34% 3pt
Jackson - 38% 3pt

And now you an bring up the FT %

Meh

Jackson can't shoot.

Tatum is an ISO Chucker who cant shoot 3's or guard NBA SF's.

Meh - easy game to play

Post #53 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:14 am

OldCeltics wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Lakerfan17 wrote:All they probably did was make him a draft guarantee.

A draft guarantee doesn't preclude working out for someone else. You never know, good to have a backup plan. Almost certainly it was more than that.

He didn't want to play for Boston. Otherwise he would of meet with them. But, players/agents have been doing the same for years. Nothing new.

Post #54 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:17 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
OldCeltics wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:

A draft guarantee doesn't preclude working out for someone else. You never know, good to have a backup plan. Almost certainly it was more than that.

He didn't want to play for Boston. Otherwise he would of meet with them. But, players/agents have been doing the same for years. Nothing new.

This, 100%.

Chad Ford reported that Agents of top prospects weren't gunna let their clients work out with Boston. It was pretty obvious that he was referring to Ball and Jackson-- I even called it pre-lotto.

These guys basically have no say in where they spend the majority of their professional career. They should use whatever leverage they can to alter the process. I say that as a Boston fan, too.

DirtyDez · Post #55 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:18 am

McD learned from the best. Although this has more to do with shady azz agents like Rich Paul and BJ Armstrong. In fact the reason the Suns signed Isaiah was because Rich Paul wouldn't return the Suns phone calls after offering Bledsoe a contract as a RFA. Agents mane... must drive GM's nuts.

Post #56 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:19 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:25 years ago Ainge left John Paxton 15 feet open.

Yesterday Ainge left Josh Jackson 15 minutes open.

I hope they both end up with championships on the end of it.

He had Tatum #1, man. If you want to convince yourself that your GM manufactured this, knock yourself out. Just know that your lying to yourself.

Post #57 » by **Cactus Jack** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:20 am

The Corey's wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
The Corey's wrote:Explain revenge.

We still have Thomas.

And we have Tatum and they are stuck with the guy who can't shoot

Tatum - 34% 3pt
Jackson - 38% 3pt

And now you an bring up the FT %

Meh

Jackson can't shoot.

Jackson 54.9% from 2
Tatum 50.4% from 2

The only advantage Tatum has over Jackson is FT's.

The Corey's · Post #58 » by **The Corey's** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:21 am

DaleyBlind wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
Tatum - 34% 3pt
Jackson - 38% 3pt

And now you an bring up the FT %

Meh

Jackson can't shoot.

Tatum is an ISO Chucker who cant shoot 3's or guard NBA SF's.

Meh - easy game to play

We passed on fultz

So it is what it is

OldCeltics · Post #59 » by **OldCeltics** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:21 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
DaleyBlind wrote:
Tatum - 34% 3pt
Jackson - 38% 3pt

And now you an bring up the FT %

Meh

Jackson can't shoot.

Jackson 54.9% from 2
Tatum 50.4% from 2

The only advantage Tatum has over Jackson is FT's.

70% of Josh's shots were dunks. But if you check his jump shots are around 42%

DaleyBlind · Post #60 » by **DaleyBlind** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:22 am

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:25 years ago Ainge left John Paxton 15 feet open.

Yesterday Ainge left Josh Jackson 15 minutes open.

I hope they both end up with championships on the end of it.

He had Tatum #1, man. If you want to convince yourself that your GM manufactured this, knock yourself out. Just know that your lying to yourself.

If he had Tatum #1 then like we said before, this is a non story and is only being brought up by salty celtics fans because they wanted Jackson whether they want to admit it or not.