Sun's don't look like an NBA team on defense

[macNcheese3]

I just dont see Jackson, becoming that good. He has potential, loads of it, but his lack of shooting ability rather holds him back. How is Triano doing so far? Anyone is better than Watson.

[Rich Michmond]

And can't forget these tragedies

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Hey, this is actually some decent D. They held Boston to .33 FG%

[bwgood77]

Yeah, it's tough. Bender was a bad pick. Jackson has been a disappointment so far. Outside of Booker, they haven't done a good enough job of drafting & roster management. They've pulled off some awful trades. The IT for Knight swap has been a giant cluster****. Really set the franchise back. They need a new GM ASAP! & hire a decent coach.

TJ Warren at 14 was great pick. It's too early to call Bender, Chriss and especially Jackson busts.

Bender & Chriss are both role players. I've followed Chriss since his days at UW. He is what you see. As a player, his ceiling is Markieff Morris. Nothing more. I didn't like the Bender pick at the time & so far I've been proven right as well. He wasn't worth the gamble for a top 5 pick.

I like Jackson but he's very raw. He needs to develop a jump shot or he will bust.

Bender is a role player right now but I like what I see as potential upside. He has good defensive agility and instincts and can hit the 3. As for him not being a good pick, there was kind of a consensus top 8 at the time, and if you look at the next 3 picks, they either are not playing very well or didn't make sense with Booker.

Dunn hasn't played particularly well. Murray is a combo guard known mostly for his shooting but is shooting 29.7% from 3 while Bender is shooting 36.6% from 3. Murray's also not much of a passer averaging 2.3 apg and 2 topg. Then Hield is shooting well, but he's also 4 years older than Bender and the Suns also had Booker.

The Suns needed a PF and they took the two highest rated ones available to work with. Hopefully at least one pans out. They haven't had the best coaches but I think Triano has started to develop the players a hell of a lot better than Watson ever did.

[Ice Trae]

lmao @ chriss and chandler in that clip

[NY 567]

Everyone figured that out when Lonzo dropped a near 30 point triple double on them

[Cactus Jack]

Bender is a role player right now but I like what I see as potential upside. He has good defensive agility and instincts and can hit the 3. As for him not being a good pick, there was kind of a consensus top 8 at the time, and if you look at the next 3 picks, they either are not playing very well or didn't make sense with Booker.

Dunn hasn't played particularly well. Murray is a combo guard known mostly for his shooting but is shooting 29.7% from 3 while Bender is shooting 36.6% from 3. Murray's also not much of a passer averaging 2.3 apg and 2 topg. Then Hield is shooting well, but he's also 4 years older than Bender and the Suns also had Booker.

The Suns needed a PF and they took the two highest rated ones available to work with. Hopefully at least one pans out. They haven't had the best coaches but I think Triano has started to develop the players a hell of a lot better than Watson ever did.

I just hate drafting purely based on need. Always have. The Sonics went through a phase where they drafted one project Center after another (2004-2006) because they needed one so badly. It drove me nuts. I feel the Suns kind of fell into that trap with both Bender & Chriss. Which is why I feel you should always take the best players no matter the fit. Because you can always pull off a trade when needed.

The unfortunate thing is that the Suns haven't had a lot of lotto luck recently. They've picked 4th the last two drafts which hasn't helped. If Ben Simmons had fallen in their lap, things would look a lot different now.

[Mamba Mentality]

They had 0 offensive rebounds last night against Toronto, only the second time that's happened since 1983.

Just sad.

How does that even happen? You could throw me out there and I guarantee I'd run down a couple rebounds. Worse case scenario one rebound would fortuitously land in my lap.

[dark shark]

suns were never the same after Amare left. Him and Nash were the last true superstars on the team. Everyone else seems to have rebounded well from losing an Arenas or a TOR Bosh except the Suns

[Jkam31]

Marquese Chriss gives me Anthony Bennett flashbacks sometimes.

Marquese Chriss is bad. So so bad.

Dbooker as the leader of this team need to sacrifice some of his scoring and put some more effort on defense. Right now hes very good offensive talent whos statpadding for that max contract.

Vlade was crucified for trading him away I’d easily take Papa G and Skal over him let alone Bogdanovic.


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How Bogdanovic doing anyway? I see his percentages are not as good as it was in Europe, which is common translation period for most Euro stars. Honestly never was high on him that much, but still interested to see how he does in NBA.

His shooting percentage isn’t there but you could tell he could shoot. He is a great player in pick and roll but we don’t run it often with him or Fox and it’s a damn shame can average 5apg. What’s really impressive though is his defense he’s actually good at it.


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[fouronesix22]

They have a bad coach. Triano is not an nba coach. They need an established veteran coach to teach these guys to play and be kind of a hard ass

[Mulhollanddrive]

We have a better record than 10 other teams under Triano so hope you aren't a fan of those.

[bwgood77]

Bender is a role player right now but I like what I see as potential upside. He has good defensive agility and instincts and can hit the 3. As for him not being a good pick, there was kind of a consensus top 8 at the time, and if you look at the next 3 picks, they either are not playing very well or didn't make sense with Booker.

Dunn hasn't played particularly well. Murray is a combo guard known mostly for his shooting but is shooting 29.7% from 3 while Bender is shooting 36.6% from 3. Murray's also not much of a passer averaging 2.3 apg and 2 topg. Then Hield is shooting well, but he's also 4 years older than Bender and the Suns also had Booker.

The Suns needed a PF and they took the two highest rated ones available to work with. Hopefully at least one pans out. They haven't had the best coaches but I think Triano has started to develop the players a hell of a lot better than Watson ever did.

I just hate drafting purely based on need. Always have. The Sonics went through a phase where they drafted one project Center after another (2004-2006) because they needed one so badly. It drove me nuts. I feel the Suns kind of fell into that trap with both Bender & Chriss. Which is why I feel you should always take the best players no matter the fit. Because you can always pull off a trade when needed.

The unfortunate thing is that the Suns haven't had a lot of lotto luck recently. They've picked 4th the last two drafts which hasn't helped. If Ben Simmons had fallen in their lap, things would look a lot different now.

Yeah, but there really wasn't a clear cut best player at 4. Bender was consensus 3rd or 4th and if there was another player maybe thought of as best player it was probably Dunn.

BPA isn't always clear cut (particularly not in that draft after 1 or 1 and 2) and then after that you can always be basing BPA on upside or best player now. Hield was obviously the best college player at the time but he was a 4 year senior. Murray had a much better freshman season than Hield did. I think he had a better freshman season than Hield as a sophomore.

I think Phx didn't take Bender because he was a PF. I think they took him because they thought he was BPA. I'd still rather have him than any of those other top 8 taken after him. Somebody like Sabonis might have been nice to have in hindsight, but we're all better in hindsight.

[Christine-In-AZ]

They had 0 offensive rebounds last night against Toronto, only the second time that's happened since 1983.

Just sad.

How does that even happen? You could throw me out there and I guarantee I'd run down a couple rebounds. Worse case scenario one rebound would fortuitously land in my lap.

Yep, strange

The night before they out offensive rebounded the Sixers 15-13, and the game before that they "hammered" the Celtics on the O Boards 16 to 4

[sprewellchokes]

you cant concede 120 points per game. that is just inexcusable.

Keep in mind the raptors have the best home record in the league. And they're red hot right now. We have some lower draft picks from past draft playing great ball. No one has scouting reports on our reserves. And most people can't even pronounce their names. And we have a new offensive system now. So teams don't know how to scout them quite yet.

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[sunsbum]

I love how we have a bunch of professionals judging 20 year olds rookies. I mean, I know you all have actually watched each of these players under a microscope for a good 5+ games right? (Probably not). To be honest most of us are pretty happy with Bender as he's shown flashes of what he can be do. I dont think any suns fans expected him to turn into a super star but more of a "5 tool" starter . He's already a 3 and D 7 footer that can switch on a 1-5. He will be fine. Chriss is a different story. Came out pretty good last year, lazied it up in the summer and came back really out of shape. He's still not in shape and quite frankly (as many suns fans will admit) he has regressed and or not made any improvements on his game. Our fan base is definitely split on labeling Chriss a bust already but to be perfectly honest, he deserves the early criticism. JJ Is 25 games into his career and is an absolute badger on defense and can blow by almost anyone with his handles and speed. He needs to tighten up his dribbling, slow down a little, work on his body and shot but hes definitely going to be a player in this league. And then theres TJ. The most underrated 18pt scorer in the league. He needs no defense from me. Anytime someone says he's "ok" its an automatic disregard In my book.

[NavLDO]

If I were a Suns fan tanking wouldn't be very appealing because they aren't the best drafters and there's always a chance of a bust. They have plenty of young players already. Those guys would discourage you from believing in it. Admittedly, that might be the best plan nonetheless.

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Yeah, it's tough. Bender was a bad pick. Jackson has been a disappointment so far. Outside of Booker, they haven't done a good enough job of drafting & roster management. They've pulled off some awful trades. The IT for Knight swap has been a giant cluster****. Really set the franchise back. They need a new GM ASAP! & hire a decent coach.

Bender's played 69 games and turned 20YO, literally 20 days ago. How'd you feel about Dramond Green, at age 23, in his first season when he finished much more abysmally than Bender is right now? Yeah, I know the difference in draft position; has nothing to do with anything once in the NBA. Just ask Nash, or Gobert, or Kawhi...point is, you don't know anything for a couple of years for some guys.

What none of you are getting is that the Suns drafted 2 of the youngest prospects that draft; one of which has been playing competitive B-ball since age 15. They were ALWAYS going to be projects. They were never expected to come in and dominate right away.

As far as JJ, he was brought in for Defense, a project on offense all along. Warren was drafted 14th and is top 5 for SFs in VA/EWA. Booker was drafted 13th and is already one of the top players at his position.

The Suns have no PG worth mentioning, just beat the Sixers and were competitive against the top team in the East (Boston), and weren't thoroughly embarrassed by Toronto the other night. And the Suns are not even close to being the worst team in the league...that may change with Booker out, but with him and Warren in, all the Suns need are a decent PG to be truly competitive. Chriss and Bender are not nearly as bad as you all are trying to make them out to be; they are young and inexperienced and have no consistency at the PG, C, or HC positions.

And funny how one bad trade is discussed to make a point, but what aren't are...

--Dudley + a 2nd for Bledsoe (he's gone now, but took Suns within a win of Playoffs in a stacked West (48-34 = to 5th seed in the East)
--Luis Scola for a 1st, Miles Plumlee, and Gerald Green
--Shannon Brown, Marcin Gortat, Malcolm Lee and Kendall Marshall for a 1st + Okafor
--Alex Oriakhi and a trade exception for IT
--2 x 1sts for Dragic (sorry, Dragic can't win with 'better' players, at his 'preferred' position, either...)
--1st for Markieff Morris

We were discussing it the other day; if you really want to bring up bad drafting, look no further than the Timberwolves...

2007 NBA 1 7 Corey Brewer
2008 NBA 1 3 O.J. Mayo
2009 NBA 1 6 Jonny Flynn
2009 NBA 1 5 Ricky Rubio
2010 NBA 1 4 Wesley Johnson
2010 NBA 1 16 Luke Babbitt
2011 NBA 1 2 Derrick Williams
2013 NBA 1 9 Trey Burke
2014 NBA 1 13 Zach LaVine
2016 NBA 1 5 Kris Dunn

Now, when the Suns get to that level of incompetency, then feel free to drag their name in the mud...

...but to attempt declare that they've been poor drafters based upon 3 x 20YOs, when literally only Kendall Marshall and Earl Clark have truly been busts from the past decade, well, let's just say you all likely need to cool your jets some. Even Len is a good contributor, and has only 'looked' like a bust if you go Box score hunting (like I've done above with the Timberwolves, to some degree) and don't recognize the utter mismanagement by the Suns Coaching Staff with him...Len is actually a very solid defensive stalwart.

But overall, at least us Sun's fans can hold our heads up high and and be proud of the fact that even though we haven't gotten that elusive championship, they've been given twice as many winning seasons as losing, and aside from our first season, we've always won at least 23+ games.

[MaxRider]

look like a team to me
they all are on the same page

[macNcheese3]

not much has changed in PHX.

[thamadkant]

They had 0 offensive rebounds last night against Toronto, only the second time that's happened since 1983.

Just sad.

How does that even happen? You could throw me out there and I guarantee I'd run down a couple rebounds. Worse case scenario one rebound would fortuitously land in my lap.

Yep, strange

The night before they out offensive rebounded the Sixers 15-13, and the game before that they "hammered" the Celtics on the O Boards 16 to 4

its called scouting.. Raptors ensured Suns didnt get to the o boards which helped them against Celtics and 76ers alot

[thamadkant]

Suns were 2nd worst team last season and this season has looked better... unfortunately lol... but what did some fans here expect?

Suns coming from 2nd worst team to a "decent" team with no roster changes except actually losing their 20/6/5 PG and adding more rookies?