Bucks frustrated with Jabari Parker?

[jlokine]

DEFINITELY Nets signing him to offer sheet. ala allen crabbe. that'll net them 3 top 5 picks. DLo - JP - Okafor big 3 if they ever develop properly, that would definitely accelerate without the obvious tank as they dont even have their picks.

[LofJ]

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

Hornets should be interested in tanking. The Hornets signing Parker would only delay the inevitable.

They can trade Kemba mid-season and start a rebuild next summer. MJ isn't going to throw in the towel early when Kemba is still under contract and the all-star game is in Charlotte this year.

That said Milwaukee should learn from our example, eventually your star player will hit the market as an UFA and the music will end. They need to shed salary and hire a coach free agents would be excited to play for NOW to give them time to fix things before that happens with Giannis. They'd be crazy to extend Parker, he needs to go.

[JXL]

Bulls give him a 3 year $35M offer sheet, he gets to go back to Chi-Town, and get all the touches he wants.

[PistolPeteJR]

If I'm a Bucks fan, I'd like to do a Jabari S&T for Dwight-type. The Hornets get a young guy with promise in Jabari and unload Dwight. Dwight inside would really help them man that paint.

[bisme37]

Jabari can't guard anyone in this series. He's too slow for Brown and Tatum and he's not strong enough to deal with Horford or Morris.

There are a lot of Bucks players who "don't wanna be here" not just Parker.

I don't think it's ever a good idea to go into a postseason with an interim head coach and I don't think this roster enjoys playing with each other.

Giannis is an incredible individual player but he needs to start doing that superstar thing where you "make the guys around you better." He tries to do it all on is own.

Then Prunty benches guys like Brogdon after a few turnovers instead of showing trust in his roster and building their confidence.

This is basically a one man team with a sub par coach, is what I'm trying to say. They have the talent to play as a team but they just don't do it.

Sorry I just totally started rambling lol. Back to Parker... he can't guard anyone so his value is not as high as he thinks it is.

[Plutonashfan]

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

Hornets should be interested in tanking. The Hornets signing Parker would only delay the inevitable.

They can trade Kemba mid-season and start a rebuild next summer. MJ isn't going to throw in the towel early when Kemba is still under contract and the all-star game is in Charlotte this year.

That said Milwaukee should learn from our example, eventually your star player will hit the market as an UFA and the music will end. They need to shed salary and hire a coach free agents would be excited to play for NOW to give them time to fix things before that happens with Giannis. They'd be crazy to extend Parker, he needs to go.

I'm pretty sure they changed the trade deadline to before the all-stars break because of the whole a Cousins thing.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I think he's been the victim of bad coaching and injuries thus far. Would love to have him for the MLE, but we all know he's going to get more than that this summer.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Bucks will probably S&T him to address a need on their roster.

[JellosJigglin]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

No offense, but you seem to be COMPLETELY rewriting history... Embiid was locked in as a top three pick. The question was whether he'd go 1, 2 or 3 because of his injury history.

With that being said the Bucks should not be faulted for taking Jabari as he was also a tremendous prospect at the time... The Bucks had to decide on whether to gamble on Jabari or Embiid's injury history and they guessed wrong. It happens.

Yeah that's how I remember it. My team (Lakers) was in the lottery so I closely followed the draft prospects that year. Embiid was never even discussed as a possibility at #7 amongst Lakers fans. It was understood he'd be long gone by then. He was locked in as a top 3 pick, and he was viewed as a nearly unanimous #1 pick before the injuries.

[WarriorGM]

Parker probably getting extra antsy after seeing the number two draft pick from the year ahead of him Oladipo explode onto the scene.

[JamesConway]

Bucks will probably S&T him to address a need on their roster.

To be eligible for a SnT Jabari needs to sign a 3 year-deal. I don't see any contender signing him to that so you're likely looking at rebuilding teams and those usually have the caproom to just outright sign him to an offersheet.

There isn't a whole lot of incentive for those teams to help MIL "address a need on their roster" in that scenario.

[John Murdoch]

DEFINITELY Nets signing him to offer sheet. ala allen crabbe. that'll net them 3 top 5 picks. DLo - JP - Okafor big 3 if they ever develop properly, that would definitely accelerate without the obvious tank as they dont even have their picks.

Thats a pretty good call actually. I can see Marks doing that. Its unlikely he'd actually give them better production than what Demmare and RHJ have done this year though both are coming off great seasons

[the sea duck]

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

No offense, but you seem to be COMPLETELY rewriting history... Embiid was locked in as a top three pick. The question was whether he'd go 1, 2 or 3 because of his injury history.

With that being said the Bucks should not be faulted for taking Jabari as he was also a tremendous prospect at the time... The Bucks had to decide on whether to gamble on Jabari or Embiid's injury history and they guessed wrong. It happens.

Yeah that's how I remember it. My team (Lakers) was in the lottery so I closely followed the draft prospects that year. Embiid was never even discussed as a possibility at #7 amongst Lakers fans. It was understood he'd be long gone by then. He was locked in as a top 3 pick, and he was viewed as a nearly unanimous #1 pick before the injuries.

I do remember some whispers at the last minute that he might slide as far as #6 to the Celtics, but that was really only a hope. He wasn't expected to slide that far unless there was some last minute health info that changed things. There might have been and the 76ers just didn't care. The expectation was top 3 except for some quiet rumors immediately before the draft and during the first couple of picks.

[sikma42]

This is why the Bucks will stay a horrible franchise. These leaks are silly for multiple reasons

Now Jabari has to play the PR game to save his rep because of these “leaks.” Honestly wouldn’t even be mad if he addressed it during a press conference. Call out the reporter and coaches for pulling this bs...


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[Karate Diop]

would anyone on here take him or wiggins over randle (just using what we have seen and not factoring contracts)

I think I'd still take Wiggins over Randle - he needs a different situation, maybe this is who he is but I'd take the gamble.

[Patsfan1081]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

No offense, but you seem to be COMPLETELY rewriting history... Embiid was locked in as a top three pick. The question was whether he'd go 1, 2 or 3 because of his injury history.

With that being said the Bucks should not be faulted for taking Jabari as he was also a tremendous prospect at the time... The Bucks had to decide on whether to gamble on Jabari or Embiid's injury history and they guessed wrong. It happens.

That's not true, he was far from a lock at the time as many even thought then his injury had long term potential. There were a good amount of people who even believed he would drop as far down as 6/7.
http://walterfootball.com/nbadraftdata2014.php

[nolang1]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

No offense, but you seem to be COMPLETELY rewriting history... Embiid was locked in as a top three pick. The question was whether he'd go 1, 2 or 3 because of his injury history.

With that being said the Bucks should not be faulted for taking Jabari as he was also a tremendous prospect at the time... The Bucks had to decide on whether to gamble on Jabari or Embiid's injury history and they guessed wrong. It happens.

No, I'd say you're either rewriting history to say that he was a tremendous prospect or you're just incapable of assessing how good a player is on defense. Parker was such a terrible defensive player at the time (no ACL tears then) that he was benched down the stretch of a loss to a 14 seed in his final college game; the upside there was a less crafty and athletic version of Carmelo. Parker was closer to a power forward skillwise (he averaged 2 turnovers for every assist and his shooting percentages were nothing special) yet had none of the toughness and rebounding ability you'd expect from a high lottery PF.

I have no idea how can this be revisionist where we just saw Parker have a healthy '15-16 followed by playing the first 51 games of '16-17 and it was exactly that kind of volume scoring, okay but not great shooting, mediocre passing, and poor defensive play that I'd predicted (well, I didn't think he was going to be that awful on defense and never improve). It's not like he was hobbling around then! He could've not torn his ACL last season and it still wouldn't have changed that he's a net negative player who's not talented enough of a pure scorer to justify keeping him around given the poor fit with Giannis.

Embiid's freshman stats were in line with those of AD or Oden or Hakeem or whichever other dominant big man you'd wish to compare him to, and his upside was amplified by the fact that he was clearly an inexperienced player who was picking up new things as the season progressed. If I'm going to gamble on one of them to stay healthy, that's a pretty easy gamble; hell you could've told me Parker was 20 times more likely to have a healthy career and that's still easy. Generational big man prospect (and not the kind of generational where there's 2-3 of them every year) vs. volume scorer who might make a few all-star games by scoring an empty 25 ppg. Hmm.

Anyone who said Embiid was going to fall to 6 or 7 was an anonymous source who had a vested interest in Embiid falling to that pick and was trying to get teams to pass on him by playing up his injury concerns (cough Danny Ainge). I guarantee you the Magic would've taken him at 4 if the Sixers hadn't drafted him.

[getitdone323]

would anyone on here take him or wiggins over randle (just using what we have seen and not factoring contracts)

I think I'd still take Wiggins over Randle - he needs a different situation, maybe this is who he is but I'd take the gamble.

Yeah i agree, wiggins has too many physical gifts to be this mediocre, it sucks he signed that contract (not for him) because I would love to see him on a team like phx or orlando (assuming they hire good coaches), or even BKN with atkinson. But no one is trading for that contract.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I think the Hornets would be interested in a sign and trade of Parker/Henson for Howard, but only if Parker was willing to take a 2 year deal with a player option on the 2nd year. He's too high a risk to warrant a long-term deal.

Hornets should be interested in tanking. The Hornets signing Parker would only delay the inevitable.

They can trade Kemba mid-season and start a rebuild next summer. MJ isn't going to throw in the towel early when Kemba is still under contract and the all-star game is in Charlotte this year.

That said Milwaukee should learn from our example, eventually your star player will hit the market as an UFA and the music will end. They need to shed salary and hire a coach free agents would be excited to play for NOW to give them time to fix things before that happens with Giannis. They'd be crazy to extend Parker, he needs to go.

Kemba should be traded this upcoming Summer. The longer you wait to trade him the less you'll get back for him. Also, the Hornets wouldn't be throwing in the towel early. They've been struggling to make the PO for years.

[zimpy27]

Jealous seems a stretch, their games aren't compatible. Jabari can't be his best self without the ball in his hands. Very similar to Melo in that regard. I'd let him walk or try trade him