Bayless: Vince Carter played himself out of HOF in late career

[An Unbiased Fan]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

I don't like Vince but if Mitch Ritchmond made the hall of fame then Vince is easily in the hall of fame.

Richmond made five All-NBA teams......to Vince's two. Mitch is about as borderline as you can get for the HOF.

[GameBredAPBT]

Skip Bayless is an idiot.

--Mags

The separate career trajectiories taken by he & his brother are absolutely fascinating

[dosun]

Just "sad" he didn't win one ring, in my opinion every good player deserves at least one ring.

[Duke4life831]

And this is why Skip gets paid millions of dollars. I get many think they are making fun of him for the stuff he says. But I think its clear as day he doesnt care cause he knows the crazy stuff he says gets views and views gets him big money. Im sure if you sat down privately and had a conversation about basketball with him, it probably could be a fun conversation. Stuff like this is just to get views and Skip and SAS are great at their job. It seems like its a couple times a week we get a Skip or SAS thread about something crazy they said.

They know how to play the game.

[Dominator83]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

I don't like Vince but if Mitch Ritchmond made the hall of fame then Vince is easily in the hall of fame.

Richmond made five All-NBA teams......to Vince's two. Mitch is about as borderline as you can get for the HOF.

Im gonna get roasted but im kind of in the same boat. I also kind of feel like "whats he really ever done?" Brooklyn made those 2 finals appearances BEFORE Vince got there, never got there after. The way he dogged it in Toronto is a total disgrace. To me he was more of a John Wall type.

But I also have different standards. I think it should be the Hall of FAME, not hall of very good. But its pretty evident that its the Hall of very good when you see who they let in. So by those standards, then yes Vince is in

[Danny1616]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

I don't like Vince but if Mitch Ritchmond made the hall of fame then Vince is easily in the hall of fame.

Richmond made five All-NBA teams......to Vince's two. Mitch is about as borderline as you can get for the HOF.

Sometimes all NBA teams are not the best indicator either because the league may be stacked at your position. I mean Reggie Miller only made 5 all-star appearances and was a 3 time all NBA third team player but nobody questions his hall of fame credentials.

Vince is still an 8 time all-star and dominant in the league for almost a decade.

His stats are right up there with the all time greats and he did it for almost a decade.

A guy that put up an average of 25, 5 and 5 on solid efficiency for 6-7 years is a hall of fame caliber player.

Every single player who has scored over 20k points has made the hall of fame and Vince is about to reach 25k.

[basketball royalty]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

I assume you mean on your personal scale. Vince put up some pretty gaudy numbers...albeit not the best efficiency. 8x all star.

Career 20 / 5 / 4 guy. I would have him in

Gaudy numbers??

Again, he's never even finished in the Top 9 for MVP. Never been All-NBA 1st team. Only made 2nd and 3rd team ONCE. He has no business in the HOF.

20/5/4 with bad defense, and no Top 3 scoring finishes is just weak.

I have just one question. Why Top 9 in MVP voting? Why 9? Random.

[Slim Charlez]

Bayless and Cowherd both sound like they've never watched a full basketball game in their lives.

They are both just absolutely clueless. Worst talking heads out there for different reasons but equally horrible.

[An Unbiased Fan]

I don't like Vince but if Mitch Ritchmond made the hall of fame then Vince is easily in the hall of fame.

Richmond made five All-NBA teams......to Vince's two. Mitch is about as borderline as you can get for the HOF.

Sometimes all NBA teams are not the best indicator either because the league may be stacked at your position. I mean Reggie Miller only made 5 all-star appearances and was a 3 time all NBA third team player but nobody questions his hall of fame credentials.

Vince is still an 8 time all-star and dominant in the league for almost a decade.

His stats are right up there with the all time greats and he did it for almost a decade.

A guy that put up an average of 25, 5 and 5 on solid efficiency for 6-7 years is a hall of fame caliber player.

Every single player who has scored over 20k points has made the hall of fame and Vince is about to reach 25k.

Reggie Miller was a great playoff performer and the GOAT 3pt shooter at the time.

Problem for Vince is he never had a great season, never did anything in the playoffs, never really played defense, and his career was riddled with injuries. His only argument is that 2-3 year window when he was putting up GOAT dunk performances, that's it.

[An Unbiased Fan]

I assume you mean on your personal scale. Vince put up some pretty gaudy numbers...albeit not the best efficiency. 8x all star.

Career 20 / 5 / 4 guy. I would have him in

Gaudy numbers??

Again, he's never even finished in the Top 9 for MVP. Never been All-NBA 1st team. Only made 2nd and 3rd team ONCE. He has no business in the HOF.

20/5/4 with bad defense, and no Top 3 scoring finishes is just weak.

I have just one question. Why Top 9 in MVP voting? Why 9? Random.

Because #9 is the barrier Vince never broke.

[Danny1616]

Richmond made five All-NBA teams......to Vince's two. Mitch is about as borderline as you can get for the HOF.

Sometimes all NBA teams are not the best indicator either because the league may be stacked at your position. I mean Reggie Miller only made 5 all-star appearances and was a 3 time all NBA third team player but nobody questions his hall of fame credentials.

Vince is still an 8 time all-star and dominant in the league for almost a decade.

His stats are right up there with the all time greats and he did it for almost a decade.

A guy that put up an average of 25, 5 and 5 on solid efficiency for 6-7 years is a hall of fame caliber player.

Every single player who has scored over 20k points has made the hall of fame and Vince is about to reach 25k.

Reggie Miller was a great playoff performer and the GOAT 3pt shooter at the time.

Problem for Vince is he never had a great season, never did anything in the playoffs, never really played defense, and his career was riddled with injuries. His only argument is that 2-3 year window when he was putting up GOAT dunk performances, that's it.

The problem is that McGrady had a much shorter career and never made it past the first round but made it as a first ballot of famer.

Mitch Richmond made it with little post-season success and worse numbers.

I just don't see the case for not making the hall of fame.

Vince is clearly not an elite player...but he is a hall of fame caliber candidate based on the players that have made it.

I agree he's not a first ball of famer...but he will make the hall of fame.

[basketball royalty]

Gaudy numbers??

Again, he's never even finished in the Top 9 for MVP. Never been All-NBA 1st team. Only made 2nd and 3rd team ONCE. He has no business in the HOF.

20/5/4 with bad defense, and no Top 3 scoring finishes is just weak.

I have just one question. Why Top 9 in MVP voting? Why 9? Random.

Because #9 is the barrier Vince never broke.

I figured. So if he finished 7th one time you would raise the bar and say ‘he was never top 6 in MVP voting!’

Bottom line, the bball HOF is super inclusive and VC is easily going to make it.

Baseball is hardcore and you know it is truly the cream of the crop making it there (except for Barry Bonds and Pete Rose who may be top 10 ever) but that is their deal.

I like that the NBA honours guys that were good in their day so they are never forgotten. VC gets that easy and I don’t remember if this has changed but IMO a guy like Chris Webber should be there too. It’s a different standard and I’m ok with that.

[kazeme2]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

How many times were you bounced off the head as a child?

Almost 100% of players who score 20k points make the HOF.

He led the Raptors to their FIRST EVER playoff appearance along with their first playoff series win EVER as well vs the Knicks in 5 in NY where he had a smooth 27 and clutch putback to ice the game.
1999-2000 Rookie of the Year.
Him and Charles Barkely are the only two players to have ever posted a game with 40 points, 15 rebounds, five steals and five assists, dating since steals began being recorded as a stat 45 years ago.
Classy move in giving up his starting spot in the 2003 all star game.
8 all star game selections, 6 in a row voted in as a starter
2015-2016 Teammate of the year award.
Oldest player in the last decade and a half to score 20 or more points in a game since MJ in 2003.
Him, MJ, and Patrick Ewing are the only players aged 39 or more to have 20 points and 5+ boards in a game.
First 40 year old to hit 6 threes in a game.
First 40 year old to ever make 3 or more threes in a playoff game.
in the 2017-2018 Players Voice Awards, was voted as the most influential veteran, most respected and NBA backbone
22nd on the all time scoring list with close to 25k and will get to #19 on that list this upcoming season
transitioned from a #1 to a 6th man to role model/mentor seamlessly with no hassles, no ego trips, and literally is the ONLY player besides dirk to go with me from 2nd grade to age 28.
BEST dunker of ALL time
best DUNK of all time in the olympics
Olympic gold medalist and leading scorer on that team as well.
8th all time in 3s made and will get up to #7 passing Paul Pierce this year. Vince is about to have a whole 5k more


NBA playoff records
Most three-point field goals made in one half: 8 (May 11, 2001 vs. Philadelphia 76ers, Eastern Conference Semifinals)
Most consecutive three-point field goals made in one game: 8 (same game as above)
Most consecutive three-point field goals made in one half: 8 (same game as above)[130]
First 40-year old player to hit at least three 3-pointers in a playoff game: 3 (April 22, 2017 vs. San Antonio Spurs, Western Conference 1st round)[131]
New Jersey Nets franchise records
Most three-point field goals made in one game: 9 (December 11, 2006 vs. Memphis Grizzlies)
Most points scored in one season: 2,070 (2006–07)
Most consecutive 20 or more point games: 23 (2005–06)
First Net to score at least 2,000 points in a single season (2006–07)[132



You are a complete and utter imbecile.

[Jazz9]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

How many times were you bounced off the head as a child?

Almost 100% of players who score 20k points make the HOF.

He led the Raptors to their FIRST EVER playoff appearance along with their first playoff series win EVER as well vs the Knicks in 5 in NY where he had a smooth 27 and clutch putback to ice the game.
1999-2000 Rookie of the Year.
Him and Charles Barkely are the only two players to have ever posted a game with 40 points, 15 rebounds, five steals and five assists, dating since steals began being recorded as a stat 45 years ago.
Classy move in giving up his starting spot in the 2003 all star game.
8 all star game selections, 6 in a row voted in as a starter
2015-2016 Teammate of the year award.
Oldest player in the last decade and a half to score 20 or more points in a game since MJ in 2003.
Him, MJ, and Patrick Ewing are the only players aged 39 or more to have 20 points and 5+ boards in a game.
First 40 year old to hit 6 threes in a game.
First 40 year old to ever make 3 or more threes in a playoff game.
in the 2017-2018 Players Voice Awards, was voted as the most influential veteran, most respected and NBA backbone
22nd on the all time scoring list with close to 25k and will get to #19 on that list this upcoming season
transitioned from a #1 to a 6th man to role model/mentor seamlessly with no hassles, no ego trips, and literally is the ONLY player besides dirk to go with me from 2nd grade to age 28.
BEST dunker of ALL time
best DUNK of all time in the olympics
Olympic gold medalist and leading scorer on that team as well.
8th all time in 3s made and will get up to #7 passing Paul Pierce this year. Vince is about to have a whole 5k more


NBA playoff records
Most three-point field goals made in one half: 8 (May 11, 2001 vs. Philadelphia 76ers, Eastern Conference Semifinals)
Most consecutive three-point field goals made in one game: 8 (same game as above)
Most consecutive three-point field goals made in one half: 8 (same game as above)[130]
First 40-year old player to hit at least three 3-pointers in a playoff game: 3 (April 22, 2017 vs. San Antonio Spurs, Western Conference 1st round)[131]
New Jersey Nets franchise records
Most three-point field goals made in one game: 9 (December 11, 2006 vs. Memphis Grizzlies)
Most points scored in one season: 2,070 (2006–07)
Most consecutive 20 or more point games: 23 (2005–06)
First Net to score at least 2,000 points in a single season (2006–07)[132



You are a complete and utter imbecile.

Not saying that Vince won't make it in but that's a lot of worthless "achievements" you just listed

[Jazz9]

The problem is that McGrady had a much shorter career and never made it past the first round but made it as a first ballot of famer.

T-Mac had a much higher peak though and was simply a better player.
2x scoring champ
2x All-NBA 1st team
3x All-NBA 2nd
2x All-NBA 3rd
7x All-Star
6x Top 8 MVP voting

[kazeme2]

I assume you mean on your personal scale. Vince put up some pretty gaudy numbers...albeit not the best efficiency. 8x all star.

Career 20 / 5 / 4 guy. I would have him in

Gaudy numbers??

Again, he's never even finished in the Top 9 for MVP. Never been All-NBA 1st team. Only made 2nd and 3rd team ONCE. He has no business in the HOF.

20/5/4 with bad defense, and no Top 3 scoring finishes is just weak.

I have just one question. Why Top 9 in MVP voting? Why 9? Random.

because he was top 10 once, that's why. LOL I can't take this guy seriously.

[kazeme2]

Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

I assume you mean on your personal scale. Vince put up some pretty gaudy numbers...albeit not the best efficiency. 8x all star.

Career 20 / 5 / 4 guy. I would have him in

Gaudy numbers??

Again, he's never even finished in the Top 9 for MVP. Never been All-NBA 1st team. Only made 2nd and 3rd team ONCE. He has no business in the HOF.

20/5/4 with bad defense, and no Top 3 scoring finishes is just weak.

Stop it dude. He finished Top 7 in Scoring 5x and Top 5 once, that's fine.

Averaged 21-28 and 5-6 and 4-5 for a decade straight, I get your point about it being the hall of FAME, but I am simply going by how they let players in, there are players in there with not as good of a resume as Vince.

[Tacoma]

Gaudy numbers??

Again, he's never even finished in the Top 9 for MVP. Never been All-NBA 1st team. Only made 2nd and 3rd team ONCE. He has no business in the HOF.

20/5/4 with bad defense, and no Top 3 scoring finishes is just weak.

I have just one question. Why Top 9 in MVP voting? Why 9? Random.

Because #9 is the barrier Vince never broke.

The name "An Unbiased Fan" really does not suit you.

[kazeme2]

College is also included and During his sophomore and junior seasons, Carter helped North Carolina to consecutive ACC Men's Basketball Tournament titles and Final Four appearances. He finished the 1997–98 season with a 15.6 points per game average and was named second-team All-American, First-Team All-ACC, and to the fan's guide third-annual Coaches ACC All-Defensive Team.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Sometimes all NBA teams are not the best indicator either because the league may be stacked at your position. I mean Reggie Miller only made 5 all-star appearances and was a 3 time all NBA third team player but nobody questions his hall of fame credentials.

Vince is still an 8 time all-star and dominant in the league for almost a decade.

His stats are right up there with the all time greats and he did it for almost a decade.

A guy that put up an average of 25, 5 and 5 on solid efficiency for 6-7 years is a hall of fame caliber player.

Every single player who has scored over 20k points has made the hall of fame and Vince is about to reach 25k.

Reggie Miller was a great playoff performer and the GOAT 3pt shooter at the time.

Problem for Vince is he never had a great season, never did anything in the playoffs, never really played defense, and his career was riddled with injuries. His only argument is that 2-3 year window when he was putting up GOAT dunk performances, that's it.

The problem is that McGrady had a much shorter career and never made it past the first round but made it as a first ballot of famer.

Mitch Richmond made it with little post-season success and worse numbers.

I just don't see the case for not making the hall of fame.

Vince is clearly not an elite player...but he is a hall of fame caliber candidate based on the players that have made it.

I agree he's not a first ball of famer...but he will make the hall of fame.

Tmac was a 7-time All-NBA player(2 1st teams). He was a much better player than Vince ever was.

And again, Mitch was a 5-time All-NBa player. Vince has two and really nothing you can point to as a reason for him to be a HOFer other than his dunk contests.