Players cannot get injured, How does any of the past seasons play out?

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Re: Players cannot get injured, How does any of the past seasons play out? 

Post#41 » by illuminati666 » Mon Sep 3, 2018 3:08 pm

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illuminati666 wrote:Was he there in '10? Regardless even if he was you remember how he was moving. He would've been more detrimental than useful. Healthy Shaq in '10 isn't '00 Shaq, its the same big slow Shaq but on the court.

Yes and he was very good for Boston before his feet gave out. Was averaging something like 12/8 off the bench not to mention he was always a slick passer. Forced the Celtics to rely on the corpse of Jermaine O’Neal and Sheed

Shaq wasnt there in '10. We're talking about the '09-'10 season, he was at Cleveland at the time. He played for Boston in '10-'11 season.

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Post#42 » by Forte IV » Mon Sep 3, 2018 3:27 pm

Clippers at least make the conference finals
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Post#43 » by Wizenheimer » Mon Sep 3, 2018 4:10 pm

with a young & healthy Bill Walton and Maurice Lucas, Portland wins about 5 straight championships in the last 70's and early 80's (they still are the youngest team ever to win the championship)

also, the healthy trio of Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, and Aldridge would have probably won at least one title

and in the ultimate Blazer fantasy world, a young & healthy Arvydas Sabonis joining the Clyde Drexler led Blazer team would have won several championships and denied the Bulls a few of theirs
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Post#44 » by SSUBluesman » Mon Sep 3, 2018 4:28 pm

Biased_Fan6425 wrote:I know it was a lopsided series but i think the series between the lakers and the pistons in 04 might have been different if Malone played.

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It would have been so different that it would have never even happened...with a healthy Sam Cassell the Wolves beat the Lakers in the WCF and go on to face the Pistons.
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Post#45 » by Starboy » Mon Sep 3, 2018 4:36 pm

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Post#46 » by Stealth1 » Mon Sep 3, 2018 5:29 pm

OKC would have made several more Finals appearances and likely gotten at least one championship.
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Post#47 » by Dloading24 » Mon Sep 3, 2018 7:58 pm

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Dominater wrote:No because Perkins would've been in for game 7. The rebounding loss without him was huge. Also, Celtics were rolling in 09 until KG got hurt


Ya but got whooped twice by the lakers in the regular season, beating the Celtics at both they're 19 and 11 game win streak. Lakers had Celtics number that year either way

Regular season games dont mean much, especially since that Celtics team was clearly coasting in the RS.
In game 7 Celtics was up for 3 and a half quarters until KG's and Sheed's old legs gave up. Lakers outrebounded Celtics 53-40, Gasol alone had 18 rebounds. Of course Perk would have made a difference.


Lol that regular season argument is terrible. It only really applies to dynasties (teams that have been to multiple finals like the spurs, current warriors, Lebron in the east. thats because they've done it multiple times and know what it means to get to the final. For the Celtics (max only 1 final experience for any player on that team) that definitely doesn't apply. Most teams in champion contention at the very least treat a few games in the regular season like real playoff games, and no doubt a rivalry like the Celtics and Lakers, especially after meeting in the finals the year before, counts as one of those games. Your telling me with guys like KG, pierce, ray Allen, and Rondo, some of the most competitive guys in the league coasted in that game and acted like it didn't matter? Highly doubtful. On top of that they won 62 games going on 19 and 11 game win streaks I wouldn't consider that "coasting"

All we have to compare the two teams that year is the RS so thats what we have to go based off.

Its not wise to extrapolate based on other seasons due to other factors ie change in team personnel, change in player mentality/goals/drive, heck change in player skills (Kobe added a post game going into the 09-10 season) but if you want to add the year before or after sure lets dig into it a bit.

If you want to extrapolate based on 2008, I can easily make the argument that Bynum would have pushed that series to 7 adding that "toughness" the lakers were missing that year.

Want to talk 2010, I doubt perk would have made much of a difference. Sheed rebounded well that game (8 tot Reb) thats equal to KP's avg that season. Want to get crazy and say he Reb 10 times? I'm sure the two 2extra rebounds wouldn't have helped. On top of that it was game 7, all players are nervous and typically play worse than they normally do, so most likely KP ( who is trash on offense) is more of a negative than a positive in that game.

Both those teams were evenly matched when at full power imo. If no injuries, we would have seen a 3 finals from 2008-10, 7 game each, epic rivalry. And game 7s are honestly a crap shoot so it can go either way depending on who's hot or not for that game.
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Post#48 » by Pablo Escobar » Mon Sep 3, 2018 8:25 pm

Lakers 3peat from 08-10
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Post#49 » by Winsome Gerbil » Mon Sep 3, 2018 8:38 pm

Kings win a chip in '03. Who knows if that changes the 15yr long descent into patheticness that followed Webb's injury.

Where does Bird rank all time without the back?

What does Wilt's legacy look like if he West and Baylor get to work together for years?

What happens to the San Antonio dynasty with a healthy but aging Admiral, but no shot at Duncan?

Do TMac and Yao become bonafide contenders if they both aren't missing 1/4 of each season?

Does Bron get the Warriors in that first epic Finals if his guys aren't hurt and the Warriors didn't have a cakewalk with injured opponent after injured opponent on the way to the Finals? How's that increase his own GOAT argument, and do the Warriors still become the Warriors of today? Or start to get a reputation for weakness?

Are centers washed out of the league so quickly if Yao doesn't get hurt, Oden and Bynum don't get hurt, Dwight's back is fine, etc.? Or is their value recognized if their best guys stay healthy?

This past year, if Boogie stays healthy do we get to see a modern Twin Towers team emerge longterm to challenge the league's modern smallball orthodoxy?
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Post#50 » by Stephback 3 » Mon Sep 3, 2018 8:42 pm

Honorable mention for the Rockets in 2009.

Imagine if Yao Ming and T-Mac were durable.
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Post#51 » by Magic Boo » Mon Sep 3, 2018 9:37 pm

18 Rockets
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15 Cavs
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Post#52 » by Coco Costanza » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:52 pm

Coco Costanza wrote:Pistons beat the Lakers in game 7 in 1988, the start of their eventual three-peat.

But in 1989, Magic and Byron Scott don't get injured, so maybe the Lakers win against the Pistons if the GOAT point guard is in the starting lineup rather than in a suit on the bench?


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Post#53 » by bigfoot » Thu Sep 6, 2018 3:28 am

Alvin Adams 1979 ... Injured in conference finals, would have put Phoenix back in the NBA FInals
Cedric Ceballos 1993 ... Injured in conference finals, Forced us to start a rookie in the NBA Finals against the Bulls
Danny Manning 1995 ... Torn ACL ... Would have gotten by the Rockets and into the Finals
Joe Johnson 2005 ... Missed first two games of conference finals against Spurs
Raja Bell 2006 ... Injured in conference finals
Amare Stoudemire 2006 ... missed entire season 2006

Lots of other playoff injuries for the Suns including Barkley, KJ, Truck Robinson, and Kurt Thomas but the above injures really hurt legitimate shots at a title.
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Post#54 » by Lalouie » Thu Sep 6, 2018 3:31 am

after a VERY young okc team lost to miami and still riding high, westbrook and kd were injured in consecutive years.

only the shadows knows.....or maybe the whistler.
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Post#55 » by GregOden » Thu Sep 6, 2018 4:05 am

Hoopstar23 wrote:99 Knicks win the title


Nah.
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Post#56 » by Johnny Tomala » Thu Sep 6, 2018 12:43 pm

Celtics three-peat in 2008-10. Without injury that KG suffered at Utah, Boston wins three in the row, Kobe's legacy take a big hit as he can't win without Shaq, LeBron James still leaves Cleveland in 2010 Free Agency.

I don't hype Jalen Brown or this Celtics team as second coming of The Beatles and surefire bet to win East in 2018-19, but Celtic's Big Three with KG as defensive anchor was a team that was the best in that three years 2008-10, unfortunately injuries to our players and especially KG's injury at Utah destroyed our three-peat window.
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Post#57 » by ProfessorJM » Thu Sep 6, 2018 2:53 pm

Maybe Cavs 2015, Warriors 2016, unsure after that because maybe KD never goes to GS after a 2016 win for Warriors. I am not convinced Houston wins with Paul last year, but definitely you can make the argument his mental presence alone would have been huge on the floor. Boston I think wins with a healthy Garnett and maybe get a three peat. They still lose in 2011 because the Heat were likely better at that point with normal aging and the ascension of the Heat team.
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Post#58 » by LALifer49 » Thu Sep 6, 2018 4:08 pm

Starting with 08-10, I think Lakers 3peat is a more likely scenario than Celtics 3peat, and yes the reasons go beyond the username....Either way though, neither team is particularly likely to 3peat.

08 was a competitive series, and why did the Lakers lose? lack of toughness/getting pushed around/pierce going off? Who were we missing? Ariza and Bynum, both players providing toughness, Bynum size, Ariza good defense on Pierce, without him we had Walton and Radmonovich for the job...I think a healthy Lakers squad takes the title in 08.

09 was arguably the strongest year for that Laker team, really clicking on all the levels. That said, not an entirely healthy team, Bynum was a shell in those playoffs, went from averaging 14/8/2 in 29 mpg in reg season to 6/4/1 in 17 mpg in the playoffs, so we went from having a fringe all star center to a fringe rotation center. I'd pencil us for the win in 09 because that was a seriously well clicking team. That said the Celtics were also clicking well so with a healthy KG I guess we'd see. A wildcard that isn't being factored in however, are a healthy 09 Rockets. That means a Yao who doesn't get injured, and a healthy Tmac. This year is the biggest toss up and most interesting because all 3 teams are seriously good.

10 This year Lakers vs Celtics again, and I take the Lakers with one caveat that I'll get into at end of this chunk of post. Celtics fans like to say if Perkins were healthy they'd have won game 7, I say, if Bynum was healthy all series the outcome of the series doesn't change at all. Yes he played in all the games, but he was hobbled, and this fact is continuously overlooked. Bynum in 10 regular season: 15/8/1.5 30 mpg. Bynum gets injured. Bynum in PO: 9/7/1.6(call it 2 if you want) 24mpg. Again, not the same player. All things remaining the same, except Bynum is healthy all series, and Perkins is healthy for game 7 (if a game 7 is still reached), I still take Lakers in 10. The one caveat I had mentioned before was the play of KG. People say KG was not as good after his injury in 09, so if he didn't get injured in 09, perhaps he'd be better in 10, but that is impossible to account for and makes it a toss up.

Some other less detailed ones:
Cavs win in 15.
Warriors win in 16. Draymond can still get suspended game 6, but Bogut woulda been healthy, and above all Curry woulda been healthy. I don't care if he played, I don't care if he had some good games, Curry was not healthy that postseason based on the eye test, cuz no way in hell Stephen Adams and TT can single cover regular season Curry in space like they did in the playoffs.
02 maybe Kings win with a healthy Peja.
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Post#59 » by jacoby1us » Thu Sep 6, 2018 5:08 pm

Dez wrote:Chicago would be a very different place.



I totally agree.
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Post#60 » by Jaqua92 » Thu Sep 6, 2018 5:37 pm

gipper08 wrote:Michael Jordan does not break his ribs in the Artest fight in the summer of 2001. Jordan does not lose six weeks of training that caused him to strain his knee overtraining to catch up.
Since Jordan doesn't hate Artest he pulls the trigger on the Bulls trade he turned down a week later.Jordan knows he is back to his 96 style prime and goes all in on a championship.

Kwame Brown and Courtney Alexander to the Bulls for Brand, Artest and Brad Miller.

Mj,Rip, Artest, Brand, and Miller win the East and Jordan wins MVP averaging 28.

In the finals, The Wizards win in 7 after Artest breaks Kobe's ribs in a game 1 fight. Wizards repeat in 2003. Then in 2004 with the three peat after PAyton, Malone, and a 13 year old Kevin Durant jump on the bandwagon.
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