RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#16 2018-19

Homerclease · Post #41 » by **Homerclease** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 4:46 am

babyjax13 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:This is why these polls have no credibility. There isn’t even room for discussion anymore, every thread just turns into a giant flame war.

26p 5r 6a 44/36/92 shooting, 7.7 OBPM, -1.1 DBPM, 5.9 VORP, 25.2 PER
vs.
24p 4r 5a 49/41/89 shooting, 6.9 OBPM, -.7 DBPM, 4.0 VORP, 25.0 PER

Their impact is pretty similar. Advance stats slightly favor Dame with offensive efficiency favoring Kyrie. Personally I'd take Kyrie but you are acting like its absurd to think Lillard performed better.

How am I acting like that when I haven’t even mentioned either player?

babyjax13 · Post #42 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 4:46 am

Homerclease wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:This is why these polls have no credibility. There isn’t even room for discussion anymore, every thread just turns into a giant flame war.

26p 5r 6a 44/36/92 shooting, 7.7 OBPM, -1.1 DBPM, 5.9 VORP, 25.2 PER
vs.
24p 4r 5a 49/41/89 shooting, 6.9 OBPM, -.7 DBPM, 4.0 VORP, 25.0 PER

Their impact is pretty similar. Advance stats slightly favor Dame with offensive efficiency favoring Kyrie. Personally I'd take Kyrie but you are acting like its absurd to think Lillard performed better.

How am I acting like that when I haven’t even mentioned either player?

Apparently quoted the wrong person, my bad.

Funcrusher · Post #43 » by **Funcrusher** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 4:48 am

Homerclease wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:This is why these polls have no credibility. There isn’t even room for discussion anymore, every thread just turns into a giant flame war.

26p 5r 6a 44/36/92 shooting, 7.7 OBPM, -1.1 DBPM, 5.9 VORP, 25.2 PER
vs.
24p 4r 5a 49/41/89 shooting, 6.9 OBPM, -.7 DBPM, 4.0 VORP, 25.0 PER

Their impact is pretty similar. Advance stats slightly favor Dame with offensive efficiency favoring Kyrie. Personally I'd take Kyrie but you are acting like its absurd to think Lillard performed better.

How am I acting like that when I haven’t even mentioned either player?

So what problem do you have with the poll then? You keep saying it's lost credibility, but don't even cite specifically what's wrong with it. You're really going to play this game?

jjscap · Post #44 » by **jjscap** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 4:54 am

DRAY. he's the backbone of one of the best teams ever.

How is he behind Kyrie on the poll?

donkeylips · Post #45 » by **donkeylips** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 6:17 am

Add Aldridge

Vindicater · Post #46 » by **Vindicater** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 6:54 am

Towns to be the best of this lot by the end of the next season.

mefromthefuture · Post #47 » by **mefromthefuture** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 7:02 am

KAT I dont get it.

How many of you would really take Draymond or oladipo a head of KAT

I think Jokic Gobert ahead of him is nuts.

All you advance stats nerds who now don't care about advance stats when talking Towns I don't get it

16th rapm 4th rapm wins 10th rpm wins

Number 2 in ORTG, Number 3 in offenisve win shares, number 2 in regular win shares.

iggymcfrack · Post #48 » by **iggymcfrack** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 7:34 am

OK, come on guys, one of the Top 3 playoff performers in the entire league has been sitting waiting for way too long. He should have been taken in the Top 10 and she should have gone 11 and 12 and for sure 13 or 14, but now it’s starting to get ridiculous. You motha **** act like you forgot about Dray! He’s gotta go now, he just has to. He’s way too good to slip one more spot.

iggymcfrack · Post #49 » by **iggymcfrack** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 7:36 am

mefromthefuture wrote:KAT I dont get it.

How many of you would really take Draymond or oladipo a head of KAT

I think Jokic Gobert ahead of him is nuts.

All you advance stats nerds who now don't care about advance stats when talking Towns I don't get it

16th rapm 4th rapm wins 10th rpm wins

Number 2 in ORTG, Number 3 in offenisve win shares, number 2 in regular win shares.

Can I wave both hands ten times each? Dipo went 47-28 with an absolute garbage supporting cast. Like they could have been worst team in the league without him. Towns had similar cast without Butler and went 10-16.

And Dray’s one of the Top 3 playoff performers in the league. Towns hasn’t shown he can be Top 100 yet.

mefromthefuture · Post #50 » by **mefromthefuture** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 7:45 am

iggymcfrack wrote:
mefromthefuture wrote:KAT I dont get it.

How many of you would really take Draymond or oladipo a head of KAT

I think Jokic Gobert ahead of him is nuts.

All you advance stats nerds who now don't care about advance stats when talking Towns I don't get it

16th rapm 4th rapm wins 10th rpm wins

Number 2 in ORTG, Number 3 in offenisve win shares, number 2 in regular win shares.

Can I wave both hands ten times each? Dipo went 47-28 with an absolute garbage supporting cast. Like they could have been worst team in the league without him. Towns had similar cast without Butler and went 10-16.

And Dray’s one of the Top 3 playoff performers in the league. Towns hasn’t shown he can be Top 100 yet.

Did you see the wings the wolves would play without Butler?

Draymond leading a team without Curry, Durant or Thompson would be the greatest on defense and offense didn't mean to include him

KAT all day over both of them.

mefromthefuture · Post #51 » by **mefromthefuture** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 7:47 am

mefromthefuture wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
mefromthefuture wrote:KAT I dont get it.

How many of you would really take Draymond or oladipo a head of KAT

I think Jokic Gobert ahead of him is nuts.

All you advance stats nerds who now don't care about advance stats when talking Towns I don't get it

16th rapm 4th rapm wins 10th rpm wins

Number 2 in ORTG, Number 3 in offenisve win shares, number 2 in regular win shares.

Can I wave both hands ten times each? Dipo went 47-28 with an absolute garbage supporting cast. Like they could have been worst team in the league without him. Towns had similar cast without Butler and went 10-16.

And Dray’s one of the Top 3 playoff performers in the league. Towns hasn’t shown he can be Top 100 yet.

Did you see the wings the wolves would play without Butler?

Draymond leading a team without Curry, Durant or Thompson would be the greatest on defense and offense didn't mean to include him

KAT all day over both of them.

And Dipo was good but Towns was and is better

Funcrusher · Post #52 » by **Funcrusher** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 7:52 am

iggymcfrack wrote:
mefromthefuture wrote:KAT I dont get it.

How many of you would really take Draymond or oladipo a head of KAT

I think Jokic Gobert ahead of him is nuts.

All you advance stats nerds who now don't care about advance stats when talking Towns I don't get it

16th rapm 4th rapm wins 10th rpm wins

Number 2 in ORTG, Number 3 in offenisve win shares, number 2 in regular win shares.

Can I wave both hands ten times each? Dipo went 47-28 with an absolute garbage supporting cast. Like they could have been worst team in the league without him. Towns had similar cast without Butler and went 10-16.

And Dray’s one of the Top 3 playoff performers in the league. Towns hasn’t shown he can be Top 100 yet.

That's just a ridiculous argument. Indiana did not have an, "absolute garbage supporting cast." Especially not compared to Minny without Butler. And using record with and without each player especially when the sample size is small is just laughable. Dipo carried Indiana but let's not pretend it was an herculean effort, becuase it wasn't.

JN61 · Post #53 » by **JN61** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 10:21 am

illuminati666 wrote:Giving up on this list, it's gotten terrible. Objectively looking at it, there's clearly a ton of bias in these votes. How the hell does a worse Kyrie Irving get ranked above Kyrie Irving.

How so? Lillard to me is better point guard than Irving is. One can argue Irving is better scorer but even then Lillard has higher PPG averages. I also take Lillard defensively over Irving, even though I don't like either of them too much defensively. In my opinion only thing that hurts Lillard was his very uncharacteristic performance on this year's playoffs but considering Irving seems to miss 10-20 games every year I take Lillard.

rygar · Post #54 » by **rygar** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 11:00 am

Lillard has been playing with little help and still lifting his team to playoffs in the West. Kyrie on the other hand didn't do a **** before Lebron came to town. I'd take Lillard over Kyrie 7 days a week.

ZUDAMAGIC · Post #55 » by **ZUDAMAGIC** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 11:00 am

Makes no sense why kyrie has been voted second the last 100 polls but never wins one :lol:

CelticsLV · Post #56 » by **CelticsLV** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:02 pm

rygar wrote:Lillard has been playing with little help and still lifting his team to playoffs in the West. Kyrie on the other hand didn't do a **** before Lebron came to town. I'd take Lillard over Kyrie 7 days a week.

Maybe check Cavs rosters from 2011-2014 before talk BS. If only Irving had anyone close to Aldrige, prime Batum, Matthews or McCollum to help him.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2012.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2013.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2014.html

Waiters, declining Deng, Hawes, Miles, Jack, Thompson, always injured Varejao and of course who can forget Bennet :lol:

iggymcfrack · Post #57 » by **iggymcfrack** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:30 pm

ZUDAMAGIC wrote:Makes no sense why kyrie has been voted second the last 100 polls but never wins one

Always the bridesmaid.... never the bride :lol:

iggymcfrack · Post #58 » by **iggymcfrack** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:45 pm

I’ve been voting for Dray for a while now. Next poll’s gonna be tough assuming he gets selected. Hopefully we have some good discussion to help me make up my mind between Lowry, Simmons, and Towns. I’m honestly not sure who I want.

Ritzo · Post #59 » by **Ritzo** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 12:56 pm

Come on guys!
This needs to be Kyrie now!

iggymcfrack · Post #60 » by **iggymcfrack** » Mon Sep 3, 2018 1:22 pm

Postseason career on/off
Warriors with Dray: +10.9
Cavs with Kyrie: +8.4

Warriors w/o Dray: -2.6
Cavs w/o Kyrie: +7.7

Dray on/off: +13.5
Kyrie on/off: +0.7

Regular season career on/off
Warriors with Dray: +12.1
Cavs/Celtics with Kyrie: +1.7

Warriors w/o Dray: +1.3
Cavs/Celtics w/o Kyrie: -1.5

Dray on/off: +10.8
Kyrie on/off: +3.5