RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#20 2018-19

[Asif16]

Lowry?? Really??

Spoken like a true Casual Fan

[spicy6]

Lowry?? Really??

Spoken like a true Casual Fan

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

[iggymcfrack]

Lowry?? Really??

Spoken like a true Casual Fan

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

He was probably the most clutch point guard in the entire playoffs last year. Swap Derozan for Kyle Korver and the Raptors win that series for sure.

[Topher]

Lowry?? Really??

Spoken like a true Casual Fan

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

Lol go look again. He had one terrible showing in 2015. I don’t like to make excuses but he played injured. Take away those 4 games in 2015 and his numbers don’t look so bad. Last 2 years he played especially well. But okay you keep convincing yourself of that. He’s also a regular season monster.

[Topher]

Spoken like a true Casual Fan

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

He was probably the most clutch point guard in the entire playoffs last year. Swap Derozan for Kyle Korver and the Raptors win that series for sure.

That’s a massive reach lol

[Topher]

As this poll shows for the top 25, I think it's not guaranteed for DeRozan to get into the top 40. Would you take him over any of the 20 players listed so far?

That said I think this "Top [x]" is a bit misleading, because there isn't always a huge gap between two players. To bring back a blast from the past, while I think Kyrie is better than Dame, I don't think the game between Dame and Kyrie is huge.

How is an all nba 2nd team player not in the top 40?

The 2nd team slot was a bit wonky - Curry was named all-NBA third team, along with Dipo. It's undeserved on that basis alone, unless you think DD deserved a spot over Harden, Lillard and Westbrook.

DD was lucky to get named 2nd team. But leaving that aside, try and list the 40 best players in the NBA. I think you'll find that even if you include DD in them, it'll be hard to fit him in there.

But then maybe you think DD is better than Dipo, for example, in which case we won't really see eye to eye.

He’s also a multiple time star and made 3rd team the season before. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to put him in the top 40 and I don’t think it’d be that difficult. Do I think he has flaws in his game? Yes. But I don’t think they prevent him from being in the top 40.
Dipo is good. Him and DD are close. In fact they’re both in my top 5 SG. I’d like to see one more season from Dipo though. Last season was his breakout year where he showed what he was capable of. I want to see him do it again with added pressure and teams now knowing what he’s really about.

[Canadafan]

Add Blake

[spicy6]

Spoken like a true Casual Fan

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

Lol go look again. He had one terrible showing in 2015. I don’t like to make excuses but he played injured. Take away those 4 games in 2015 and his numbers don’t look so bad. Last 2 years he played especially well. But okay you keep convincing yourself of that. He’s also a regular season monster.

No offense but its the same story every year. Dont get me started with this year. Lowry balling out game 3 doesnt take away from the fact how awful especially he was against a talentless cavs team games 1,2, and 4. Losing homecourt takes away a lot of pressure and games 1 and 2 I dont even think he scored in the 4rth quarter. You can put up decent stats and shoot decent percentages all you want but its always been the case for derozan and lowry in the playoffs they never show up when it matters in the 4rth. Hes barely a top 9 or 10 pg and really regresses when in big moments idk how you can deny this.

[lebron stopper]

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

He was probably the most clutch point guard in the entire playoffs last year. Swap Derozan for Kyle Korver and the Raptors win that series for sure.

That’s a massive reach lol

It really isn't. DeRozan was so utterly horrific in the playoffs, that the Raptors were much better with him OFF the court.

[iggymcfrack]

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

Lol go look again. He had one terrible showing in 2015. I don’t like to make excuses but he played injured. Take away those 4 games in 2015 and his numbers don’t look so bad. Last 2 years he played especially well. But okay you keep convincing yourself of that. He’s also a regular season monster.

No offense but its the same story every year. Dont get me started with this year. Lowry balling out game 3 doesnt take away from the fact how awful especially he was against a talentless cavs team games 1,2, and 4. Losing homecourt takes away a lot of pressure and games 1 and 2 I dont even think he scored in the 4rth quarter. You can put up decent stats and shoot decent percentages all you want but its always been the case for derozan and lowry in the playoffs they never show up when it matters in the 4rth. Hes barely a top 9 or 10 pg and really regresses when in big moments idk how you can deny this.

He was awful in Games 1 and 2? WTF?

Game 1: 18/3/10 on .676 TS%, held George Hill scoreless
Game 2: 21/4/8 on .861 TS%

Like you honestly can’t be serious. He played fantastic both of those games. Yeah, he didn’t have a great game in Game 4, but who cares. The series was 1,000,000% over at that point.

[Topher]

He was probably the most clutch point guard in the entire playoffs last year. Swap Derozan for Kyle Korver and the Raptors win that series for sure.

That’s a massive reach lol

It really isn't. DeRozan was so utterly horrific in the playoffs, that the Raptors were much better with him OFF the court.

We were swept so to say we for sure win that series minus Derozan is ridiculous. Come on you know better.

[Topher]

Ya no, his playoff performances do the talking for me.

Lol go look again. He had one terrible showing in 2015. I don’t like to make excuses but he played injured. Take away those 4 games in 2015 and his numbers don’t look so bad. Last 2 years he played especially well. But okay you keep convincing yourself of that. He’s also a regular season monster.

No offense but its the same story every year. Dont get me started with this year. Lowry balling out game 3 doesnt take away from the fact how awful especially he was against a talentless cavs team games 1,2, and 4. Losing homecourt takes away a lot of pressure and games 1 and 2 I dont even think he scored in the 4rth quarter. You can put up decent stats and shoot decent percentages all you want but its always been the case for derozan and lowry in the playoffs they never show up when it matters in the 4rth. Hes barely a top 9 or 10 pg and really regresses when in big moments idk how you can deny this.

lol ok. I won’t even bother

[iggymcfrack]

That’s a massive reach lol

It really isn't. DeRozan was so utterly horrific in the playoffs, that the Raptors were much better with him OFF the court.

We were swept so to say we for sure win that series minus Derozan is ridiculous. Come on you know better.

Not just minus Derozan but assuming he actually plays some minutes for the Cavs. DD would sink that ship for sure.

[Topher]

It really isn't. DeRozan was so utterly horrific in the playoffs, that the Raptors were much better with him OFF the court.

We were swept so to say we for sure win that series minus Derozan is ridiculous. Come on you know better.

Not just minus Derozan but assuming he actually plays some minutes for the Cavs. DD would sink that ship for sure.

Nah not with Lebron lol

[spicy6]

Lol go look again. He had one terrible showing in 2015. I don’t like to make excuses but he played injured. Take away those 4 games in 2015 and his numbers don’t look so bad. Last 2 years he played especially well. But okay you keep convincing yourself of that. He’s also a regular season monster.

No offense but its the same story every year. Dont get me started with this year. Lowry balling out game 3 doesnt take away from the fact how awful especially he was against a talentless cavs team games 1,2, and 4. Losing homecourt takes away a lot of pressure and games 1 and 2 I dont even think he scored in the 4rth quarter. You can put up decent stats and shoot decent percentages all you want but its always been the case for derozan and lowry in the playoffs they never show up when it matters in the 4rth. Hes barely a top 9 or 10 pg and really regresses when in big moments idk how you can deny this.

He was awful in Games 1 and 2? WTF?

Game 1: 18/3/10 on .676 TS%, held George Hill scoreless
Game 2: 21/4/8 on .861 TS%

Like you honestly can’t be serious. He played fantastic both of those games. Yeah, he didn’t have a great game in Game 4, but who cares. The series was 1,000,000% over at that point.

Did you watch the game? Look what he did in the fourth. Nothing in both games, he ridiculously was fouling like a maniac had 5 fouls in that second game from what I can remember. This is why I have a trouble with stats, pulling them out without actually watching does nothing they lost by what 20 points in the second game at home as a first seed keep that in mind. The first game he was completly passive in the fourth especially dont get me started with the second. And holding "george hill scoreless" are we really arguing this?

[iggymcfrack]

No offense but its the same story every year. Dont get me started with this year. Lowry balling out game 3 doesnt take away from the fact how awful especially he was against a talentless cavs team games 1,2, and 4. Losing homecourt takes away a lot of pressure and games 1 and 2 I dont even think he scored in the 4rth quarter. You can put up decent stats and shoot decent percentages all you want but its always been the case for derozan and lowry in the playoffs they never show up when it matters in the 4rth. Hes barely a top 9 or 10 pg and really regresses when in big moments idk how you can deny this.

He was awful in Games 1 and 2? WTF?

Game 1: 18/3/10 on .676 TS%, held George Hill scoreless
Game 2: 21/4/8 on .861 TS%

Like you honestly can’t be serious. He played fantastic both of those games. Yeah, he didn’t have a great game in Game 4, but who cares. The series was 1,000,000% over at that point.

Did you watch the game? Look what he did in the fourth. Nothing in both games, he ridiculously was fouling like a maniac had 5 fouls in that second game from what I can remember. This is why I have a trouble with stats, pulling them out without actually watching does nothing they lost by what 20 points in the second game at home as a first seed keep that in mind. The first game he was completly passive in the fourth especially dont get me started with the second. And holding "george hill scoreless" are we really arguing this?

Well considering game 2 was over 2 minutes into the 4th quarter when the Cavs went up 18, then Lowry getting all that done in the meaningful part of the game is even more impressive. He was actually 7/8 with 3 threes for the most important three quarters of the game! Meanwhile Derozan got 9 of his 24 in garbage time after the game was already over. Super clutch 4th quarter scoring points down by 18 with 5:00 left, brah.

[Uncle Dennis]

No offense but its the same story every year. Dont get me started with this year. Lowry balling out game 3 doesnt take away from the fact how awful especially he was against a talentless cavs team games 1,2, and 4. Losing homecourt takes away a lot of pressure and games 1 and 2 I dont even think he scored in the 4rth quarter. You can put up decent stats and shoot decent percentages all you want but its always been the case for derozan and lowry in the playoffs they never show up when it matters in the 4rth. Hes barely a top 9 or 10 pg and really regresses when in big moments idk how you can deny this.

He was awful in Games 1 and 2? WTF?

Game 1: 18/3/10 on .676 TS%, held George Hill scoreless
Game 2: 21/4/8 on .861 TS%

Like you honestly can’t be serious. He played fantastic both of those games. Yeah, he didn’t have a great game in Game 4, but who cares. The series was 1,000,000% over at that point.

Did you watch the game? Look what he did in the fourth. Nothing in both games, he ridiculously was fouling like a maniac had 5 fouls in that second game from what I can remember. This is why I have a trouble with stats, pulling them out without actually watching does nothing they lost by what 20 points in the second game at home as a first seed keep that in mind. The first game he was completly passive in the fourth especially dont get me started with the second. And holding "george hill scoreless" are we really arguing this?

Have trouble with stats because they tell the truth? Part of the reason they lost by so much was because of Derozan. A huge part actually. What you're stating is the definition of a casual fan. Lowry is an elite PG.

[lebron stopper]

That’s a massive reach lol

It really isn't. DeRozan was so utterly horrific in the playoffs, that the Raptors were much better with him OFF the court.

We were swept so to say we for sure win that series minus Derozan is ridiculous. Come on you know better.

Raptors got swept because they gave 34 minutes a night to DeRozan who was legitimately WOAT on both ends of the floor.

Raptors don't get swept in utterly humiliating fashion if they replaced DeRozan with Korver, who is always a shooting threat and doesn't totally compromise your defense. (Contrary to popular belief, Korver isn't a pylon on defense - somehow, he's still a good team defender and still tries and puts in effort on defense, despite his age.)

[XxIronChainzxX]

How is an all nba 2nd team player not in the top 40?

The 2nd team slot was a bit wonky - Curry was named all-NBA third team, along with Dipo. It's undeserved on that basis alone, unless you think DD deserved a spot over Harden, Lillard and Westbrook.

DD was lucky to get named 2nd team. But leaving that aside, try and list the 40 best players in the NBA. I think you'll find that even if you include DD in them, it'll be hard to fit him in there.

But then maybe you think DD is better than Dipo, for example, in which case we won't really see eye to eye.

He’s also a multiple time star and made 3rd team the season before. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to put him in the top 40 and I don’t think it’d be that difficult. Do I think he has flaws in his game? Yes. But I don’t think they prevent him from being in the top 40.
Dipo is good. Him and DD are close. In fact they’re both in my top 5 SG. I’d like to see one more season from Dipo though. Last season was his breakout year where he showed what he was capable of. I want to see him do it again with added pressure and teams now knowing what he’s really about.

I'm not saying people are wrong to think DDs top 40. I don't, but I don't think it's indefensible or anything. I do think DDs all NBA teams are undeserving because I don't think his "overall" talent level corresponds to his RS #s. I have never seen an all NBA player collapse as utterly and consistently in the playoffs as DD. Even Lowry hasn't **** the bed as consistently, and he's not exactly a playoff overachiever.

[spicy6]

He was awful in Games 1 and 2? WTF?

Game 1: 18/3/10 on .676 TS%, held George Hill scoreless
Game 2: 21/4/8 on .861 TS%

Like you honestly can’t be serious. He played fantastic both of those games. Yeah, he didn’t have a great game in Game 4, but who cares. The series was 1,000,000% over at that point.

Did you watch the game? Look what he did in the fourth. Nothing in both games, he ridiculously was fouling like a maniac had 5 fouls in that second game from what I can remember. This is why I have a trouble with stats, pulling them out without actually watching does nothing they lost by what 20 points in the second game at home as a first seed keep that in mind. The first game he was completly passive in the fourth especially dont get me started with the second. And holding "george hill scoreless" are we really arguing this?

Well considering game 2 was over 2 minutes into the 4th quarter when the Cavs went up 18, then Lowry getting all that done in the meaningful part of the game is even more impressive. He was actually 7/8 with 3 threes for the most important three quarters of the game! Meanwhile Derozan got 9 of his 24 in garbage time after the game was already over. Super clutch 4th quarter scoring points down by 18 with 5:00 left, brah.

"Getting all that done in the meaningful part of the game" Dude lowry and derozan respectively were a grand smacking -18 and -22 when it came to plus minus. "He was actually 7/8 with 3 threes for the most important three quarters" How far are you going to disregard fourth quarters here? lol I'm crying at this argument the guy did not show up in the fourth at all, zilch, nada, this was the case in game 1 and 2 so what am i seeing here thats a mistake? Wasnt he selected as an all star? Werent the toronto raptors the number 1 seed suddently a different team this year? It starts with lowry and derozan and the to call me a "casual fan" for agreeing with everyone that lowry and derozan never show up in the playoffs. This isnt hate at all I would want the raptors to make the finals out of any team in the east this year but lowry has got to be better his games 1 and 2 performances were horrid, being passive is a sad excuse against a cavs team with that lack of talent.