Kawhi vs LeBron

thebigbird · Post #41 » by **thebigbird** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:50 pm

The raptors had a better record in the regular season without Kawhi than with him. But sure, let's act like they're a bunch of scrubs. This is absolutely ridiculous. I hate golden state more than anyone out there, but in rooting for them to come back to win because of how insufferable Kawhi/Toronto fans have become.

Rainwater · Post #42 » by **Rainwater** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:51 pm

Lololol at this thread. Just as bad as Curry fan boys. Just because he wins a title doesn't mean he is better than LBJ, lol.

Viper1500 · Post #43 » by **Viper1500** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:52 pm

Kawhi is currently the best player in the NBA. But LeBron is GOAT status

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Basketball_Jones · Post #44 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:52 pm

2018 playoff Lebron would take the Raptors to the promised land too. Kawhi has been phenomenal as well though. Just goes to show you really do need GOAT level performances to get through these playoffs and win it all.

mademan · Post #45 » by **mademan** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:54 pm

I think this just shows the importance of culture and winning system, tbh. Raps have been a year over 50+ win team and Kawhi was able to step in to the place of Derozan, who's probably not even a star, to give the Raps the superstar theyve always needed to take them all the way.

Even then, this is a game of inches. Took 4 bounces to win in regulation against the Sixers in game 7, avoiding an overtime where anything couldve happened. And a few bounces here, shot hit or missed and the Raps go down 0-3 to the Bucks and lose in the ECF.

SweetTouch · Post #46 » by **SweetTouch** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:55 pm

mademan wrote:I think this just shows the importance of culture and winning system, tbh. Raps have been a year over 50+ win team and Kawhi was able to step in to the place of Derozan, who's probably not even a star, to give the Raps the superstar theyve always needed to take them all the way.

And when your opponent doesn’t have their best player it makes it easier to win

DreamTeam09 · Post #47 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:57 pm

Kawhi is better than him, noteven worthy of an argument in my eyes. Before this year I didn't know kawhi was this dominant offensively, but he is. He even rebounds amazing.

Only thing LeBron does better is that he's a more willing passer, but kawhi is offensively better and defensively the better player so I don't see what's to argue. Plus he's a better leader and teammate, no drama at all with the raps this year. Just all work

LKN · Post #48 » by **LKN** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:57 pm

Vladimir777 wrote:
nikster wrote:This is a joke. Lebron is better, he is on a whole other level as a playmaker.

And Lebrons 2016 run is better than this one

LeBron’s 2018 run is better than this run.

That being said, Kawhi is **** awesome! And I love the dude.

Not buying that... the east was absolute trash last year. Raptors/Bucks/Sixers would all destroy every 2018 east team.

Heck - it's pretty obvious at this point that Kawhi will have gone through the top 3 teams in the playoffs on his way to a title if they close it out.

GS, Philly, Bucks are all true championship level contenders

mademan · Post #49 » by **mademan** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:58 pm

SweetTouch wrote:
mademan wrote:I think this just shows the importance of culture and winning system, tbh. Raps have been a year over 50+ win team and Kawhi was able to step in to the place of Derozan, who's probably not even a star, to give the Raps the superstar theyve always needed to take them all the way.

And when your opponent doesn’t have their best player it makes it easier to win

ehh, the W's you see in these finals are more in line with normal historical contenders than the ones with Durant. These raps team would be competing for titles against any non-GSW+Durant, ridiculous, over the top-4 stars-2 MVP's-DPOY superteam

LKN · Post #50 » by **LKN** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:01 pm

SeniorWalker wrote:For career LeBron is clearly better. And for peaks LeBron from 2009-2016 was a better player.

But I'd definitely take this playoff Kawhi over LeBron of the last 3 years. 2018 LeBron was extremely overrated anyway, put up huge boxscore numbers against depleted/mediocre teams. Miami LeBron was far more impressive, one that actually worked in a semblance of a system and consistently drove success on both ends. I'd take that LeBron over this Kawhi.

This - Lebron has been good over he last 2 years... but his stats are pretty wildly inflated due to the trash east, rule/emphasis changes, etc.

Miami Lebron has become really underrated. Put Miami Lebron in the current league environment and

robillionaire · Post #51 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:04 pm

Kawhi already has 1 finals mvp (against lebron super team) is 1 game away from his 2nd one (against warriors super team) if he gets #3 he's matched lebron in rings and you'd pretty much have to consider it at that point and at age 27 he has plenty of years to do it

SeniorWalker · Post #52 » by **SeniorWalker** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:04 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:2018 playoff Lebron would take the Raptors to the promised land too. Kawhi has been phenomenal as well though. Just goes to show you really do need GOAT level performances to get through these playoffs and win it all.

I doubt that honestly.

2018 LeBron played against one of the weakest talent eastern conferences we've seen in history, which greatly inflated his boxscore numbers. On top of that everything in Cleveland ran around him offensively, there was no system at all. For him to play with these Raptors within the system and team construct and make it, he would have to play on both ends of the court at an elite level to make it past theSixers, bucks, and warriors. 2018 LeBron was not capable of elite 2 way play for an entire playoffs. Maybe 2016 LeBron would have a better shot, or 2013 LeBron for certain.

2018 LeBron was not as good of an overall.player as this Kawhi. People just think he was because his numbers were very inflated against weaker talent competition. Watching the games it was obvious to me that he did not even bother trying on defense and did not have to try defending or scoring against another top 20 player until the finals.

thebigbird · Post #53 » by **thebigbird** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:05 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Kawhi is better than him, noteven worthy of an argument in my eyes. Before this year I didn't know kawhi was this dominant offensively, but he is. He even rebounds amazing.

Only thing LeBron does better is that he's a more willing passer, but kawhi is offensively better and defensively the better player so I don't see what's to argue. Plus he's a better leader and teammate, no drama at all with the raps this year. Just all work

Lol this is laughable. Kawhi career regular season rebounding high is lower than LeBron's career average. LeBron has 12 seasons higher than kawhi's highest ppg. He's a better scorer, rebounder, and a vastly better playmaking. This version of Kawhi is also a worse defender than peak LeBron. Hell, LeBron was a better defender than Kawhi THIS season. Just stop it.

robillionaire · Post #54 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:11 pm

LakersLegacy wrote:LeBron is better than Kawhi.
LeBron has won 3 of the last 7 championships.

that's nice but Kawhi will have won 2 of the last 6, Lebron didn't even win his first ring until he was 27 and Kawhi is about to win his 2nd one at age 27 and one was against prime lebron

Lalouie · Post #55 » by **Lalouie** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:15 pm

LakersLegacy wrote:LeBron is better than Kawhi.
LeBron has won 3 of the last 7 championships.

3 out of 8 attempts

3of8 is below average. one could say, i will say, 3of8 means "if you try enough times you're bound to win". failing to do so means you're the buffalo bills and lebron is at least NOT the buffalo bills.

another way to look at it was lebron lost 5 out of 8 times if it'll help.

Uncle Dennis · Post #56 » by **Uncle Dennis** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:18 pm

thebigbird wrote:The raptors had a better record in the regular season without Kawhi than with him. But sure, let's act like they're a bunch of scrubs. This is absolutely ridiculous. I hate golden state more than anyone out there, but in rooting for them to come back to win because of how insufferable Kawhi/Toronto fans have become.

You're not fooling anyone lmao. You hate the Raptors/Kawhi and you're also a major Lebron stan, that's all I see you comment on. The regular season record without Kawhi isn't really that significant, especially since many of those wins were not against playoff teams. You think Kawhi had much help in that Philly series? What he did was incredibly impressive.

IQ_baller · Post #57 » by **IQ_baller** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:18 pm

Lebron is easier to game plan for, Kawhi is difficult - and gsw is realizing it. You clog the paint and lebron becomes manageable. You clog the paint vs Kawhi and he destroys you from mid range and three point line. You double him and he finds the open man. As Draymond Green said, Kawhi does his thing differently. When things are different and unusual, it's harder to plan and predict.

Kawhi is one bad mad. His personality sucks the soul out of his defenders/opponents. They can't even trash talk to him

thebigbird · Post #58 » by **thebigbird** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:22 pm

Uncle Dennis wrote:
thebigbird wrote:The raptors had a better record in the regular season without Kawhi than with him. But sure, let's act like they're a bunch of scrubs. This is absolutely ridiculous. I hate golden state more than anyone out there, but in rooting for them to come back to win because of how insufferable Kawhi/Toronto fans have become.

You're not fooling anyone lmao. You hate the Raptors/Kawhi and you're also a major Lebron stan, that's all I see you comment on. The regular season record without Kawhi isn't really that significant, especially since many of those wins were not against playoff teams. You think Kawhi had much help in that Philly series? What he did was incredibly impressive.

Yeah, I'm a big LeBron fan. I also hate golden state. Absolutely hate them. Go through my posts and see for yourself, or ask the golden state fans like @clyde21 I've gotten into it with. Durant is the guy I hate, not Kawhi. I didn't "hate on" Kawhi or Toronto until all of the bats*** insane posts the past few weeks. When people make ridiculous posts they're going to get blowback. Same as Kobe stans who put him top two all time. I don't hate Kawhi, and I don't hate Kobe. I hate all of the ridiculous overreactions.

trueballer7 · Post #59 » by **trueballer7** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:22 pm

Lebron is the king of hypotheticals. If he had that and that he would triumph. Then that and that and then some happen and he gets pummelled only to move on the next hypothetical. Suddenly the Raptors are some kind of super team that would have worked wonders with LBJ, when in reality, and this is easily factually verifiable given his resume, they'd get destroyed and we'd be hearing the same old songs. He didnt have any help. GSW had 4 all stars even without Durant etc etc. There are people that really think that the Raptors would be playing this kind of defense and have this type of ball movement with Lebron in the starting five.
Oh, and last but not least, Kawhi is pure death offensively from everywhere on the floor. For his first 22 NBA Games, Lebron James shot, I kid you not, 26% from outside the paint. Teams winning strategy was to dare him shoot like he was a bum off the street.

DreamTeam09 · Post #60 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:23 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:LBJ is easily better. He's one of the more unstoppable forces on offense the league has seen. And he's an iron man as well when it comes to injuries. Kawhi has a lots of work to do to get there, he's still much younger tho. His Finals MVP he wasn't exactly averaging mind blowing stats against that LBJ-led MIA team.

LeBron is definitely not unstoppable offense. We've seen guys torment him on the big stage. Marion and kawhi and Iggy to some extent. Pack the paint let him shoot and don't over help. LeBron is mostly a bully style of offense which doesn't work when you have someone near his size