Do you think Rob Pelinka even realized he needed to re-do the trade for extra cap? Or only after the internet did?

[Michael Lucky]

It’s against the CBA to discuss the date of the trade.

Do the internet experts know that?

Well, that seems to make the situation even worse, considering many sources within the Laker organization have been peddling the idea of pushing the trade into late July, per local media talking heads.

Wherever could that magic date of July 31st come from?

it's in the rule book. Looking too deeply, maybe?

[Dominator83]

It makes no sense to assume to that this wasn't brought up during trade talks as much as it's makes no sense to assume to that the Pelicans would simply agree to those terms when it goes against their interests to do so. The rest just builds an interesting story since it is the "it" thing to go after Pelinka these days.

The Grizzlies and Suns were confused about which Brooks was being traded.

You're probably right but then again I was being told all weekend by Lakers fans that Pelinka obviously was going to get the trade pushed back to the 30th so...

That was a bunch of BS from Memphis. Memphis just got cold feet and changed their minds, using "we were confused" as an excuse. It was reported that from Phoenix side, they had only talked about Dillon Brooks throughout the negotiations, never mentioned Marshon. Also, had requested the medicals for Dillon, never Marshon. There was no confusion

[Detective]

It’s against the CBA to discuss the date of the trade.

Do the internet experts know that?

Well, that seems to make the situation even worse, considering many sources within the Laker organization have been peddling the idea of pushing the trade into late July, per local media talking heads.

Wherever could that magic date of July 31st come from?

it's in the rule book. Looking too deeply, maybe?

I was politely making a roundabout point to clarify to the user's sarcastic internet question about not being allowed to discuss dates, when you have basically answered it for him.

Can you post the page, and link as well, for him?

[Sixerscan]

It makes no sense to assume to that this wasn't brought up during trade talks as much as it's makes no sense to assume to that the Pelicans would simply agree to those terms when it goes against their interests to do so. The rest just builds an interesting story since it is the "it" thing to go after Pelinka these days.

The Grizzlies and Suns were confused about which Brooks was being traded.

You're probably right but then again I was being told all weekend by Lakers fans that Pelinka obviously was going to get the trade pushed back to the 30th so...

That was a bunch of BS from Memphis. Memphis just got cold feet and changed their minds, using "we were confused" as an excuse. It was reported that from Phoenix side, they had only talked about Dillon Brooks throughout the negotiations, never mentioned Marshon. Also, had requested the medicals for Dillon, never Marshon. There was no confusion

Point is if something as basic as the players being traded isn't recorded in such a way that can be proven, there's plenty of potential for confusion in a trade with less obvious details like when the trade would be finalized.

I feel like people are talking about these trades like complete term sheets are getting passed back and forth when in reality it's much less formal.

[norcocredo]

Rob Pelinka is the dumbest GM in the NBA and it's not even close. First of all he traded away 5 1st round picks

No he did not.

[Michael Lucky]

Well, that seems to make the situation even worse, considering many sources within the Laker organization have been peddling the idea of pushing the trade into late July, per local media talking heads.

Wherever could that magic date of July 31st come from?

it's in the rule book. Looking too deeply, maybe?

I was politely making a roundabout point to clarify to the user's sarcastic internet question about not being allowed to discuss dates, when you have basically answered it for him.

Can you post the page, and link as well, for him?

Sure, if i can find it, i'll put it in a rep, and you can send the link to him yourself.

[Detective]

it's in the rule book. Looking too deeply, maybe?

I was politely making a roundabout point to clarify to the user's sarcastic internet question about not being allowed to discuss dates, when you have basically answered it for him.

Can you post the page, and link as well, for him?

Sure, if i can find it, i'll put it in a rep, and you can send the link to him yourself.

I will be awaiting the evidential link. Thanks

[JellosJigglin]

I feel like that parent whose kids moved out, and then all moved back in, and the sound of them fighting and arguing doesn't bother you because you actually missed it. Yes, the Laker haters are BACK. The universe has been restored. Ahhh feels good man

[abark]

Rob Pelinka is the dumbest GM in the NBA and it's not even close. First of all he traded away 5 1st round picks

No he did not.

He traded 3 picks and a pick swap. But it's just the most confusing set of protections I've ever seen.

2019 #4 pick
2021 (but only goes to Pels if it's top 8, if not it's a 2022 unprotected)
2023 pick swap
2024 unprotected (with Pels having option to defer it to 2025)

[dockingsched]

It makes no sense to assume to that this wasn't brought up during trade talks as much as it's makes no sense to assume to that the Pelicans would simply agree to those terms when it goes against their interests to do so. The rest just builds an interesting story since it is the "it" thing to go after Pelinka these days.

The Grizzlies and Suns were confused about which Brooks was being traded.

You're probably right but then again I was being told all weekend by Lakers fans that Pelinka obviously was going to get the trade pushed back to the 30th so...

That’s what’s funny. Everyone fan knew about the ramifications of trading on the 30th vs the 6th, so it would seem that when it doesn’t happen, the overwhelming assumption should be that they just weren’t able to agree to it.

Because it’s pelinka though, people would prefer to believe, without evidence, that every fan knew something that Pelinka apparently didn’t even think of. Something that apparently Griffin didn’t think of either as another tool to extract even more from the Lakers.

[BramptonYute]

Lakers fans war on Woj is easily a Top 5 Most Cringy subplot of the past 10 offseasons.

War on Woj has nice ring to it.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Lakers fans war on Woj is easily a Top 5 Most Cringy subplot of the past 10 offseasons.

The war on Woj started before this offseason.

[TheGOATWill]

Can please someone explain it to me as if I'm 5 years old, why our cap space changes in accordance with the date of the completion of Davis trade?

It's weird. It's not straight math. It's about sequence of events. As we sit here tonight between contracts, dead money, cap holds for #4 and Caruso and incomplete roster charges the Lakers have about 77 million on the books. Leaving 32 mil in space below the 109 mil cap. If they trade for Davis on the 6th, LA sends out 24.9. Salaries for Ball, Ingram and Hart = 17.9 mil and the 7 mil cap hold for 4 drops off. They bring back 29.9 mil between Davis' salary (27.1mil) and an additional 2.8 mil in incomplete roster charges. Thats a 5 million dollar swing that goes onto the books making it about 82. Now the cap space is down to 27. If AD doesn't wave his trade kicker his salary becomes 31 mil, the Lakers payroll goes to 86 and caps space down to 23. The Lakers would prefer to wake up on the morning of the 6th and spend that 32 million dollars and their room mid level exception. which would put them over the cap. Once over the cap, they can just trade for AD as long as the salaries match. By trading 24 mil worth of players they can take back 125% or about 32 million in salary. But to send out 24 mil they need to be able to include the salary of #4. His salary doesn't count until 6/30. In short, unbalanced trades count against your cap space, but if you spend all your cap space first, you can operate above the salary cap for trade purposes.

[TreyKincade]

Can please someone explain it to me as if I'm 5 years old, why our cap space changes in accordance with the date of the completion of Davis trade?

It's weird. It's not straight math. It's about sequence of events. As we sit here tonight between contracts, dead money, cap holds for #4 and Caruso and incomplete roster charges the Lakers have about 77 million on the books. Leaving 32 mil in space below the 109 mil cap. If they trade for Davis on the 6th, LA sends out 24.9. Salaries for Ball, Ingram and Hart = 17.9 mil and the 7 mil cap hold for 4 drops off. They bring back 29.9 mil between Davis' salary (27.1mil) and an additional 2.8 mil in incomplete roster charges. Thats a 5 million dollar swing that goes onto the books making it about 82. Now the cap space is down to 27. If AD doesn't wave his trade kicker his salary becomes 31 mil, the Lakers payroll goes to 86 and caps space down to 23. The Lakers would prefer to wake up on the morning of the 6th and spend that 32 million dollars and their room mid level exception. which would put them over the cap. Once over the cap, they can just trade for AD as long as the salaries match. By trading 24 mil worth of players they can take back 125% or about 32 million in salary. But to send out 24 mil they need to be able to include the salary of #4. His salary doesn't count until 6/30. In short, unbalanced trades count against your cap space, but if you spend all your cap space first, you can operate above the salary cap for trade purposes.

Great post.

It’s laughable that so many RealGM posters have an astute knowledge of the salary cap.

But we are led to believe Pelinka is an idiot and doesn’t know anything?

[getitdone323]

Rob Pelinka is the dumbest GM in the NBA and it's not even close. First of all he traded away 5 1st round picks

No he did not.

He traded 3 picks and a pick swap. But it's just the most confusing set of protections I've ever seen.

2019 #4 pick
2021 (but only goes to Pels if it's top 8, if not it's a 2022 unprotected)
2023 pick swap
2024 unprotected (with Pels having option to defer it to 2025)

facothomas22 just has a low IQ

[getitdone323]

Can please someone explain it to me as if I'm 5 years old, why our cap space changes in accordance with the date of the completion of Davis trade?

It's weird. It's not straight math. It's about sequence of events. As we sit here tonight between contracts, dead money, cap holds for #4 and Caruso and incomplete roster charges the Lakers have about 77 million on the books. Leaving 32 mil in space below the 109 mil cap. If they trade for Davis on the 6th, LA sends out 24.9. Salaries for Ball, Ingram and Hart = 17.9 mil and the 7 mil cap hold for 4 drops off. They bring back 29.9 mil between Davis' salary (27.1mil) and an additional 2.8 mil in incomplete roster charges. Thats a 5 million dollar swing that goes onto the books making it about 82. Now the cap space is down to 27. If AD doesn't wave his trade kicker his salary becomes 31 mil, the Lakers payroll goes to 86 and caps space down to 23. The Lakers would prefer to wake up on the morning of the 6th and spend that 32 million dollars and their room mid level exception. which would put them over the cap. Once over the cap, they can just trade for AD as long as the salaries match. By trading 24 mil worth of players they can take back 125% or about 32 million in salary. But to send out 24 mil they need to be able to include the salary of #4. His salary doesn't count until 6/30. In short, unbalanced trades count against your cap space, but if you spend all your cap space first, you can operate above the salary cap for trade purposes.

excellent post. Hope everyone who takes a read.

[baldur]

Can please someone explain it to me as if I'm 5 years old, why our cap space changes in accordance with the date of the completion of Davis trade?

It's weird. It's not straight math. It's about sequence of events. As we sit here tonight between contracts, dead money, cap holds for #4 and Caruso and incomplete roster charges the Lakers have about 77 million on the books. Leaving 32 mil in space below the 109 mil cap. If they trade for Davis on the 6th, LA sends out 24.9. Salaries for Ball, Ingram and Hart = 17.9 mil and the 7 mil cap hold for 4 drops off. They bring back 29.9 mil between Davis' salary (27.1mil) and an additional 2.8 mil in incomplete roster charges. Thats a 5 million dollar swing that goes onto the books making it about 82. Now the cap space is down to 27. If AD doesn't wave his trade kicker his salary becomes 31 mil, the Lakers payroll goes to 86 and caps space down to 23. The Lakers would prefer to wake up on the morning of the 6th and spend that 32 million dollars and their room mid level exception. which would put them over the cap. Once over the cap, they can just trade for AD as long as the salaries match. By trading 24 mil worth of players they can take back 125% or about 32 million in salary. But to send out 24 mil they need to be able to include the salary of #4. His salary doesn't count until 6/30. In short, unbalanced trades count against your cap space, but if you spend all your cap space first, you can operate above the salary cap for trade purposes.

Great post.

It’s laughable that so many RealGM posters have an astute knowledge of the salary cap.

But we are led to believe Pelinka is an idiot and doesn’t know anything?

so many basketball nerds here, mate:)

[Effigy]

It’s against the CBA to discuss the date of the trade.

Do the internet experts know that?

Reminds me of when Juwan Howard had his contract with Miami nullified by the league because they concluded the team had already reached a deal with Alonzo.

[lamscott]

If Woj is wrong on this, he won’t be able to salvage his career. There are loads of twitter speak saying he is absolutely wrong.


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[Free Rider]

I honestly have no idea what to believe when it comes to the Laker's front office. For all the insanity that currently exists in the Lakers organization the one thing that gave me some comfort was the the belief that Pelinka was a smart, knowledgeable, if not morally bankrupt, former agent who had intimate familiarity with the CBA and salary cap rules and restrictions. I thought that he may know next to nothing about evaluating talent and drafting players but at the very least he's aware about trade rules and salary cap. So I tend to think he must have known about the need to make additional trades to open up enough cap room for a third max player.

That said, I also tend to believe that we often fail to appreciate how incompetent people can be at their jobs. It's why I often dismiss most conspiracy theories because much of the reasoning behind seemingly inexplicable actions or events can be explained by sheer incompetence. I've worked enough places to know that some people are really just that bad at their jobs. There's often no grand master plan; it simply comes down to someone just royally screwed up and we're all overthinking it because our minds can't comprehend the utter stupidity of it all.

I'd like to believe this was some type of svengali strategy but I'm open to the possibility that it's simply Pelinka desperately trying to cover his gross incompetence.