Kawhi has become overrated

Ridicululz · Post #41 » by **Ridicululz** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:52 pm

Kawhi has been rated pretty fairly I think, in terms of the current pool of players. Where I disagree is some people in the media declaring him to be nearing top 10 all-time status. I think he has a way to go before he gets there.

lakerz12 · Post #42 » by **lakerz12** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:02 pm

Well the fact that he has 39% of the vote for league’s best player in the top 25 thread shows he’s gotten overrated.

He didn’t carry that Toronto team.

And he only played 60 regular season games. It’s very concerning to me that a 28 year old needs load management.

Great player. Top 5. But not #1.

sca · Post #43 » by **sca** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:08 pm

AdagioPace wrote:Lakers fans (and Raptors fans too a bit) have become more unsufferable about Kawhi than Spurs fans will be next season. I find it funny.

Most Raptors fans are defending Kawhi in this thread. You're just making up narratives that aren't there.

Kawhi was clearly the best player in the league in the last season, IDK how anyone can argue otherwise.

PrinceH · Post #44 » by **PrinceH** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:08 pm

I actually think he's become underrated, I don't think he's a player to drag a team through the regular season, but his game translates perfectly to playoff basketball, the mid-range game is a killer when most teams are jacking up three's and missing

Wolfgang630 · Post #45 » by **Wolfgang630** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:10 pm

What he did was pretty damn good...also his career isn’t over so it’s fine if people rate him highly for now.

It’s not like all the greatest players of all time have amazing career averages.

Danny1616 · Post #46 » by **Danny1616** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:11 pm

I wouldn't say he's overrated but people do not give the Raptors supporting cast enough credit.

Fact is that Raptors fans saw how much better a player like Kawhi was compared to Derozan. Against the Sixers, the Raptors were outmatched in size (especially with OG being injured) and Kawhi dominated that series. Against the Bucks he willed the Raptors to a couple wins that series.

sca · Post #47 » by **sca** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:13 pm

lakerz12 wrote:Well the fact that he has 39% of the vote for league’s best player in the top 25 thread shows he’s gotten overrated.

He didn’t carry that Toronto team.

And he only played 60 regular season games. It’s very concerning to me that a 28 year old needs load management.

Great player. Top 5. But not #1.

It wasn't a one-man carry job, for sure. But he certainly did single-handidly carry that Raptors team on offense in many of the play-off games, and he was the only constant on our team that the opponents couldn't find an answer for. Most of our team laid an egg against the Sixers in the second round, and if he didn't play like a demigod in that series, then we'd be talking about how the Raptors franchise is cursed and doomed for first and second round exits no matter who are on that team (oh and he'd get way less hate for leaving).

Lalouie · Post #48 » by **Lalouie** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:15 pm

almost everybody in today's game is overrated. and if they're underrated, they get talked about as being underrated so much they become overrated too. what it really is is that it meets a saturation point

that's just today with everyone having a voice

lakerz12 · Post #49 » by **lakerz12** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:17 pm

sca wrote:
AdagioPace wrote:Lakers fans (and Raptors fans too a bit) have become more unsufferable about Kawhi than Spurs fans will be next season. I find it funny.

Most Raptors fans are defending Kawhi in this thread. You're just making up narratives that aren't there.

Kawhi was clearly the best player in the league in the last season, IDK how anyone can argue otherwise.

Giannis' regular season stats were better. And his team's record was better. For starters.

ratul · Post #50 » by **ratul** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:17 pm

Yogatti wrote:surprise surprise, a Raptors fan made this thread. Brag about this one championship you have while trashing the player that won the title for you.

I think raps fans have taken rose coloured glasses off. Kawhi was super important but we needed everyone to win the chip. Philly game 7 Kawhi showed up but we needed Danny to stop DJ augustin. We needed gasol to stop Giannia, Vuc and Embiid. We needed Pascal to score and we needed Kyle to take charges. Norm saved us in the bucks series and FVV hit SO many clutch shots, alongside Ibaka. It was 7 strong - without any of those guys, the raps don't win the title. Just facts - depth wins titles after watching these playoffs.

neurotik · Post #51 » by **neurotik** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:18 pm

RoyceDa59 wrote:Why would you look at career averages? So odd when he's clearly a 27/8/4 guy now. Weird.

He just averaged 30/8/4 shooting 50/40/85 and won the title.

But I do agree, he's become slightly overrated, as I still put James & Durant ahead of him.

Are you referring to pre or post Achilles injury Durant. IMO until Durant proves he can be the player he was pre injury, I'm assuming post injury he will be a worse player and certainly not on in the top 3.

TheGameWinner · Post #52 » by **TheGameWinner** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:20 pm

Ugh. Raps fans lose Kawhi and we see all these non-sense threads. Kawhi is the best player in the league; he can play on both sides of the ball.

He is highly efficient offensively and a beast defensively. The only thing holding him back is his "injury" and he proved he's the best player on the floor with one leg.

GSW didn't have durant ... or klay... but he still put up his numbers. We won. He left. Get over it. Best player in the league. Don't care for him for how he left but can't discredit his status right now.

neurotik · Post #53 » by **neurotik** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:20 pm

Yuri Vaultin wrote:He is not over rated at all. Just don't count on him being healthy a full season. Dude's healing powers are the antithesis of Wolverine's.

Yeah sustainable health throughout the season is my only concern about Leonard as well

Angel strike1 · Post #54 » by **Angel strike1** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:24 pm

If u sign with lakers ur top 5 player. If u turn them down ur garbage and over rated.
Guess the usual huh laker fans. Lol

Post #55 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:24 pm

This is one of the worst player evaluations I've ever read considering what he actually did this past season. A narrative spinning fail.

neurotik · Post #56 » by **neurotik** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:25 pm

Courtside wrote:He's not overrated. He's clearly a very gifted player and certainly in the top5 range, he's just been really lucky with the situations that he has found himself in.

1) Gets drafted to Spurs: One of the GOAT teams and already title contenders. Less pressure to develop, eases into bigger role as the team keeps winning. Makes the Finals twice. Wins a title. Earns MVP.

2) Gets traded to Raptors: Been a good team for 5 years and steps into a situation ready made to repair his rep, his leg, and make a Finals run. Gets healthy. Wins a title. Earns MVP.

3) Becomes a top option FA in the biggest money summer ever. Biggest markets with biggest money competing for him. Works the FA market to go to his home city with another star he handpicked from another team.

I mean... you only benefit from luck if you first work hard and put yourself in the situation to benefit from the opportunities you created. I am not in any way saying that his career is flukey or he's not deserving. He worked for every one of those things to happen to him, so he's earned his good luck, but it's these scenarios that maybe cause people to think he's become overrated where other players had more difficult paths or had to toil on worse teams that didn't offer the elevated opportunities that he got.

Duncan and Kobe also got drafted into fortunate situation. A player can't control the circumstances he gets drafted or traded to, what he can control is how much he maximizes his situation.

triple_threat · Post #57 » by **triple_threat** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:25 pm

Yogatti wrote:surprise surprise, a Raptors fan made this thread. Brag about this one championship you have while trashing the player that won the title for you.

lol. to bad he won't bring the clippers one

sca · Post #58 » by **sca** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:28 pm

lakerz12 wrote:
sca wrote:
AdagioPace wrote:Lakers fans (and Raptors fans too a bit) have become more unsufferable about Kawhi than Spurs fans will be next season. I find it funny.

Most Raptors fans are defending Kawhi in this thread. You're just making up narratives that aren't there.

Kawhi was clearly the best player in the league in the last season, IDK how anyone can argue otherwise.

Giannis' regular season stats were better. And his team's record was better. For starters.

You're really making an argument based on regular season numbers and team record (which was only better by 1W, BTW) when the two have faced off in the play-offs?

In the Raptors' four game winning streak (which also happened to be Giannis's last four games of the season), here are their stats:

Giannis: 39.7 MPG / 20.5 PPG / 12.5 RPG / 5.5 APG / 1.0 SPG / 2.8 BPG / 4.0 TPG / .483 TS%
Kawhi: 42.0 MPG / 29.3 PPG / 10.0 RPG / 5.5 APG / 2.5 SPG / 1.3 BPG / 3.5 TPG / .568 TS%

Of course these stats don't tell the whole story but to those who watched them in that series, it was clear who the mentally tougher, more unstoppable guy was. Giannis couldn't find a way to beat the Raptors' swarming defense, while Kawhi was much more cooler under pressure, unlocking new dimensions to his game in order to help his team win (9 and 7 assists in the last two games, while being the primary defender on Giannis on the other side of the floor, etc.).

KG Leonard · Post #59 » by **KG Leonard** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:21 pm

The genius of the OP talking career avreage for a Spurs player who played behind Duncan,Manu,Parker the most winning trio in NBA history when he was young player of 20-25 years old. Would he shoot 25 FGA per game in Pop system like it was useless Houston Harden style Basketball.

Kawhi has avreaged 21-27 ppg since he was 24 years old became first option offensive weapon in 2015.

Its like tellingTim Duncan why he didnt have more ppg,Reb in his career compared to his titles,his top 10 all time ranking. Pop system cost him stats in alltime lists if that was important for anyone....

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Ado05 · Post #60 » by **Ado05** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:22 pm

No he's not.

His playoff run just showed us he's the best player in the NBA.