Nothin but Nets

MrDollarBills · Post #41 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:35 am

Kampuchea wrote:Damn, looking bad for the Nets. I’m betting the under as well.

what's the O/U on the Knicks this season? I haven't bothered to check.

CS707 · Post #42 » by **CS707** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:47 am

Are those numbers adjusted for culture points?

Not2BeBothered · Post #43 » by **Not2BeBothered** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:49 am

DarkXaero wrote:
Not2BeBothered wrote:But
Kyrie > Dlo
Temple > Crabbe
Prince > Carrol
DJ > Davis
Injured KD > Graham
Chandler > Dudley
Claxton >/= RHJ

Chemistry and health will always be a factor but I find it hard to believe that a team that is better across the board is projected to win 4 fewer games
Temple isn't better than Crabbe, and Claxton isn't comparable to RHJ, until he proves otherwise. Agreed with the rest tho. I'll add that Nwaba is better than Graham, who was trash, and had a positive net rating this season

Temple is better than crabbe especially in the nets offense because he’s a better defender and low maintenance which would allow him to be a prototypical “3 & D” wing that the nets can utilize. Claxton is going to most likely spend majority of his time in the g league but RHJ was used as a 4/5 last season who used his athleticism and speed to be effective. Claxton brings that same energy and athleticism in a 6-11 frame so I think it’s fair to say their games are “comparable”

azcatz11 · Post #44 » by **azcatz11** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:52 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Kampuchea wrote:Damn, looking bad for the Nets. I’m betting the under as well.

what's the O/U on the Knicks this season? I haven't bothered to check.

It's like 28

DarkXaero · Post #45 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:54 am

Not2BeBothered wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
Not2BeBothered wrote:But
Kyrie > Dlo
Temple > Crabbe
Prince > Carrol
DJ > Davis
Injured KD > Graham
Chandler > Dudley
Claxton >/= RHJ

Chemistry and health will always be a factor but I find it hard to believe that a team that is better across the board is projected to win 4 fewer games
Temple isn't better than Crabbe, and Claxton isn't comparable to RHJ, until he proves otherwise. Agreed with the rest tho. I'll add that Nwaba is better than Graham, who was trash, and had a positive net rating this season

Temple is better than crabbe especially in the nets offense because he’s a better defender and low maintenance which would allow him to be a prototypical “3 & D” wing that the nets can utilize. Claxton is going to most likely spend majority of his time in the g league but RHJ was used as a 4/5 last season who used his athleticism and speed to be effective. Claxton brings that same energy and athleticism in a 6-11 frame so I think it’s fair to say their games are “comparable”

Crabbe might not be an elite shooter, but defenses still give him a lot of respect. Temple is nowhere near the same caliber of shooter as Crabbe. He's a better defender than Crabbe though. I think Claxton is at least a season away from contributing meaningful minutes in the NBA but I do love his upside though.

HotelVitale · Post #46 » by **HotelVitale** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:29 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:
TheBrooklynKidd wrote: If you're a betting man, you should take the over in regards to their record, I know I will be.
I already placed my bet for under 47.5. Let the games begin.

Decent bet. As a Nets fan, I'm not sold on the team THIS season, but not for those reasons. Marks has continuously shown he can get the players that Kenny can salvage or elevate.

This is the big thing for me--Atkinson got the Nets last year to be a typical scrappy overachieving young team who played hard on both ends of the court and executed well, and he deserves a ton of credit for that. But we've seen over and over again that getting decent/meh guys to go .500 is a totally different thing from building a consistently good team. I'd worry that the Nets aren't that well set up to make that leap because the team's success was a genuinely ensemble thing, and the young talent (whom everyone attributes their success to) didn't necessarily contribute more to them winning than did a handful of meh vets playing well and consistently. Last year D Carroll and Ed Davis had more win shares combined than Russell and Levert did--that's one of those goofy stats to be taken with a lotta salt but it does speaks to how much the team's success was shared among a handful of players who did just enough to outplay the other team in just about half their games last season. Adding Kyrie + Prince while subtracting the best guy on the team (Russell) and 2 of the next best (if not most talented) 5 guys on last year's team isn't a huge win objectively, and especially so for an ensemble team.

There's also the obvious fact that Kyrie doesn't exactly have the best track record taking hardworking young talent to the next level (and last year's young Celtics were better and had achieved way more than the Dinwiddie-Levert-J Allen trio did). I dont' think they'll be bad or anything but the success this year seems totally based on the assumption that Levert will be great, the Prince is now a top-shelf role player, and Kurucs will make a leap; all of those seem firmly in the maybe/could be camp now, not the definite/count on it one.

John Murdoch · Post #47 » by **John Murdoch** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:33 am

**** thread

Paradise · Post #48 » by **Paradise** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:38 am

VERY, very awkward thread considering Napier, Graham, RHJ, Carroll we’re borderline useless towards the end of the season after the Nets ran with a rotation of Russell, LeVert, Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Kurucs, Davis, Dudley...

The majority are returning and Carroll gets swapped for a 25 year old Taurean Prince and aging Dudley gets swapped for a solid Wilson Chandler, backup Ed Davis (love him) gets swapped for a (recently) former all-star big in Jordan.

The sky is falling...

GTR11 · Post #49 » by **GTR11** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:58 am

Paradise wrote:VERY, very awkward thread considering Napier, Graham, RHJ, Carroll we’re borderline useless towards the end of the season after the Nets ran with a rotation of Russell, LeVert, Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Kurucs, Davis, Dudley...

The majority are returning and Carroll gets swapped for a 25 year old Taurean Prince and aging Dudley gets swapped for a solid Wilson Chandler, backup Ed Davis (love him) gets swapped for a (recently) former all-star big in Jordan.

The sky is falling...

Meh I wouldn't even explain anything. I want Knicks and Cetics fan come over and talk some trash for my Sig sakes. Dude trying to tell us hall bunch of dump off's that Marks got is better than a roster we got right now now :lol:

. As I always tell them #'s without context are useless. I'm just happy they all got paid or given another chance, good luck to them.
D.LO- dump off. Magic called him trash.
Carroll- washed up bum, looking at y'all Raps fans.
Crabbe- overpaid Kyle Korver.
Harris- Euro league guy at best
Dinwiddy- have no place in NBA, ChiTown and MoCity.
I'm just tired typing we had planty of those.

Johnny Bball · Post #50 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:47 am

Yes, Ed Davis and Demarre Carroll were their most important players

GTR11 · Post #51 » by **GTR11** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:46 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Kampuchea wrote:Damn, looking bad for the Nets. I’m betting the under as well.

what's the O/U on the Knicks this season? I haven't bothered to check.

MyBookie +8000
TheLines at 30.5 basically they need 31 to cover
FanDual 29.5 so 30

To be honest can't see them going over 20. Looking around the league OKC, Grizz and Hornets maybe worst than them but rest of the league is definitely will be fave's during regular season.
Was- they got Beal
Bulls- got LaVine
PHX- Booker
Minny- KAT
NOP- Holiday and Zion
Sac- they got more than enough
Mavs- Luka and Zinger
ATL- Collins with Trea
Cavs- they might be on par
Rest of the teams I got going to playoffs so It'll be -10 vs them on average imo. I'll be betting vs them every night because Nix.

Fat · Post #52 » by **Fat** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:45 am

Nets loss some underrated depth in RJ, carroll, Dudley, Davis these arent WOW type players but play with grit, heart and toughness.

but what i really noticed with this team is.. Who the heck is the power forward taurean prince? Teams like the bucks and sixers are going to abuse this.

but anyway still a playoff team

Adam1221 · Post #53 » by **Adam1221** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:55 am

As a fan I can tell you the major losses aside from DLO (and yes lets not talk silly, Kyrie is an upgrade on every level) are Ed Davis,Jared Dudley and maybe to a lesser extent Demare Carrol on a good stretch.
Ed's production should be replaced by Deandre who should be better at guarding big C's which was Jarret Allen's biggest weakness.
Dont know where the other 2's production is gonna come from on the new roster though...

MrDollarBills · Post #54 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:56 pm

Paradise wrote:VERY, very awkward thread considering Napier, Graham, RHJ, Carroll we’re borderline useless towards the end of the season after the Nets ran with a rotation of Russell, LeVert, Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Kurucs, Davis, Dudley...

The majority are returning and Carroll gets swapped for a 25 year old Taurean Prince and aging Dudley gets swapped for a solid Wilson Chandler, backup Ed Davis (love him) gets swapped for a (recently) former all-star big in Jordan.

The sky is falling...

It's a blatant troll thread.

These dudes troll us hard af and yet they'll be the first one hitting that report button the moment Nets fans start dogging out their teams. Pathetic.

NetsWorld · Post #55 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:57 pm

The media hoopla which surrounded Kyrie since his 2017 trade to Boston is just that, hoopla which is meant to hurt his image and reputation. Whether we like to admit it or not, certain people who control these outlets don't like it when a star player goes against their wishes. Nets were always an underdog in the NYC area and had awful management this past decade. Brooklyn and NJ(don't deny Nets history in NJ) both have something to look forward to, an opportunity to see superstar players play on their favorite team. The same players who are on TNT, ESPN and ABC are now going to play for a team which they immediately catapult onto national TV schedules. While I had my differences with the Nets based on unfortunate political reasons, I have restored faith in the organization and believe now is a better time than ever to follow the team again. As an NJ native who followed the Kidd-Martin led teams to the disaster that was Brooklyn in 2012-2014, there is something to look forward to again.

Rockice_24 · Post #56 » by **Rockice_24** » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:01 pm

OPs post was pretty terrible in terms of trying to predict the Nets team this year. Only guys on that list that played consistent minutes were Davis and Russell. RHJ played mostly garbage time. Napier, Carroll, and Dudley were all in and out of the lineup.

Rodi and Allen were 20 years old.

The Nets are clearly better from a talent standpoint anyone suggesting otherwise doesnt know basketball.

Davis was a great bench rebounder. Jordan is better. Russell was a pleasent surprise, kyrie is better.

The young players will be the same or better. The bench is better.

The Nets are better. I could see them anywhere from 3-6 in the standings. They are one of the teams along with Indy I think could knock off one of the top 2 in the East.

Tiny ball · Post #57 » by **Tiny ball** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:13 pm

gh123 wrote:Levert is back and their young guys will take a step forward, they'll make it, the East is still trash.

Last season the east was not trash on their home floor.

Post #58 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:22 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:VERY, very awkward thread considering Napier, Graham, RHJ, Carroll we’re borderline useless towards the end of the season after the Nets ran with a rotation of Russell, LeVert, Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Kurucs, Davis, Dudley...

The majority are returning and Carroll gets swapped for a 25 year old Taurean Prince and aging Dudley gets swapped for a solid Wilson Chandler, backup Ed Davis (love him) gets swapped for a (recently) former all-star big in Jordan.

The sky is falling...

It's a blatant troll thread.

These dudes troll us hard af and yet they'll be the first one hitting that report button the moment Nets fans start dogging out their teams. Pathetic.

I ain’t “these dudes” son. My post was a little cheeky and shamelessly so. That doesn’t change the point that I was driving home: the Nets did not add Kyrie/Jordan to a 42 win team. This team is completely different and “talent math” doesn’t count for ****. Does it mean they won’t succeed? Nope, not necessarily, but I reckon Nets fans will miss some of those vets whose roles they’ve undermined.

Post #59 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:24 pm

Rockice_24 wrote:OPs post was pretty terrible in terms of trying to predict the Nets team this year. Only guys on that list that played consistent minutes were Davis and Russell. RHJ played mostly garbage time. Napier, Carroll, and Dudley were all in and out of the lineup.

Rodi and Allen were 20 years old.

The Nets are clearly better from a talent standpoint anyone suggesting otherwise doesnt know basketball.

Davis was a great bench rebounder. Jordan is better. Russell was a pleasent surprise, kyrie is better.

The young players will be the same or better. The bench is better.

The Nets are better. I could see them anywhere from 3-6 in the standings. They are one of the teams along with Indy I think could knock off one of the top 2 in the East.

I never even made a prediction lol. Just posted an interesting discovery that I stumbled on. I have no qualms with BKN other than thinking Kyrie is kind of a douche.

MrDollarBills · Post #60 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:46 am

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:VERY, very awkward thread considering Napier, Graham, RHJ, Carroll we’re borderline useless towards the end of the season after the Nets ran with a rotation of Russell, LeVert, Allen, Harris, Dinwiddie, Kurucs, Davis, Dudley...

The majority are returning and Carroll gets swapped for a 25 year old Taurean Prince and aging Dudley gets swapped for a solid Wilson Chandler, backup Ed Davis (love him) gets swapped for a (recently) former all-star big in Jordan.

The sky is falling...

It's a blatant troll thread.

These dudes troll us hard af and yet they'll be the first one hitting that report button the moment Nets fans start dogging out their teams. Pathetic.

I ain’t “these dudes” son. My post was a little cheeky and shamelessly so. That doesn’t change the point that I was driving home: the Nets did not add Kyrie/Jordan to a 42 win team. This team is completely different and “talent math” doesn’t count for ****. Does it mean they won’t succeed? Nope, not necessarily, but I reckon Nets fans will miss some of those vets whose roles they’ve undermined.

Completely different? Dude stop lying, you are trolling with this ****. The Nets are bringing back Jarrett Allen, Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie, Rodions Kurucs, Joe Harris, Theo Pinson, and Dzanan Musa. You're acting as if the Nets up-heaved their entire roster when most of the young core outside of D'Angelo Russell is still intact.

No one is undermining the roles that Ed Davis, DeMarre Carroll, and Jared Dudley played here. But the guys who are replacing them are better players.

Again, it amazes me how all year long the Nets were discounted and downplayed and all of a sudden they infuse significant talent upgrades and all of a sudden the narrative is "oh, um damn i don't think they'll be as good as last year". Carry on with your agenda though, because when the hate doesn't work, people start telling lies.

Mods, can I get my Kevin Durant in a Knicks jersey avatar back? Yall allow this bull **** thread which was made clearly to antagonize a fanbase yet I can't have a simple avatar? The strike zone always seems to change up on here and I don't know why :lol: