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gh123 wrote:Sixerscan wrote:gh123 wrote:Kyrie gets overlooked coz he was horrible last PO. Mad chucking with 0 impact, not good.
Makes sense that proven playoff performers like Gobert and Towns are being picked over him.
Meh, don't know much about Towns, but Gobert was Utah's best player last season and they did pretty well.
GeorgeMarcus wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:go to hell OP, where is Lowry?
The OP isn't picking the choices lol it's a consensus poll. But yeah, to your point, the consensus is wrong. Oladipo and Lowry need to be on the list.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Tim Kempton wrote:Mamba Mentality wrote:Blake Griffin is being widely overlooked.
And Towns is being widely overrated. He's an empty stats machine.
In what way(s)?
- Knocking over teammates going for rebounds?
- Chucking to "get his?"
- Waiting until opposing starters sit before scoring all over bench scrubs in lopsided losses?
- His team sucks. He can't be good.
- That 3-game sample from his one time in the playoffs.
- I just like another player more and I'm mad he hasn't made the list yet.
Give us more than a hollow, one-sentence narrative.
Yallbecrazy wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:go to hell OP, where is Lowry?
The OP isn't picking the choices lol it's a consensus poll. But yeah, to your point, the consensus is wrong. Oladipo and Lowry need to be on the list.
There were more nominations for Lowry than Mitchell or Doncic, he seems to be purposefully ignoring it
Tim Kempton wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:Tim Kempton wrote:
And Towns is being widely overrated. He's an empty stats machine.
In what way(s)?
- Knocking over teammates going for rebounds?
- Chucking to "get his?"
- Waiting until opposing starters sit before scoring all over bench scrubs in lopsided losses?
- His team sucks. He can't be good.
- That 3-game sample from his one time in the playoffs.
- I just like another player more and I'm mad he hasn't made the list yet.
Give us more than a hollow, one-sentence narrative.
First of all, I do not get mad about these rankings, especially since I couldn't really care less about any NBA player. I love the sport, but I haven't passionately argued about rankings since I was a teenager.
Secondly, KAT puts up great offensive stats, but he is at best an average defender who suffers from sustained lapses of laziness. LeBron and other offensive juggernauts (deservedly) get criticized for milking it on the defensive end all the time. Towns shouldn't be exempt from this.
Lastly, I value winning over everything. In 4 seasons, Towns has 1 playoff appearance (largely due to Jimmy Butler) and the Wolves have a record 40+ games under .500 in that time period. He should be a leader, but instead he remains passive and indifferent, content to let his team coast along to losing season after losing season.
GeorgeMarcus wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:go to hell OP, where is Lowry?
The OP isn't picking the choices lol it's a consensus poll. But yeah, to your point, the consensus is wrong. Oladipo and Lowry need to be on the list.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Tim Kempton wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:
In what way(s)?
- Knocking over teammates going for rebounds?
- Chucking to "get his?"
- Waiting until opposing starters sit before scoring all over bench scrubs in lopsided losses?
- His team sucks. He can't be good.
- That 3-game sample from his one time in the playoffs.
- I just like another player more and I'm mad he hasn't made the list yet.
Give us more than a hollow, one-sentence narrative.
First of all, I do not get mad about these rankings, especially since I couldn't really care less about any NBA player. I love the sport, but I haven't passionately argued about rankings since I was a teenager.
Secondly, KAT puts up great offensive stats, but he is at best an average defender who suffers from sustained lapses of laziness. LeBron and other offensive juggernauts (deservedly) get criticized for milking it on the defensive end all the time. Towns shouldn't be exempt from this.
Lastly, I value winning over everything. In 4 seasons, Towns has 1 playoff appearance (largely due to Jimmy Butler) and the Wolves have a record 40+ games under .500 in that time period. He should be a leader, but instead he remains passive and indifferent, content to let his team coast along to losing season after losing season.
There's no better place for renowned psychiatrists (and psychologists) than Real GM.
Forget about stuff we know. Facts and stats and even anecdotal evidence are lame. The real insight comes from pretending to know what these guys are actually thinking, or motivated by.
As for your value of winning... it's important. Definitely. Just how good did you think last year's Wolves team was? Let's say Towns wasn't so content at being content and indifferent toward basketball... you think they could have won 45 games? 55 games? More?
Just curious.
Tim Kempton wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:Tim Kempton wrote:
First of all, I do not get mad about these rankings, especially since I couldn't really care less about any NBA player. I love the sport, but I haven't passionately argued about rankings since I was a teenager.
Secondly, KAT puts up great offensive stats, but he is at best an average defender who suffers from sustained lapses of laziness. LeBron and other offensive juggernauts (deservedly) get criticized for milking it on the defensive end all the time. Towns shouldn't be exempt from this.
Lastly, I value winning over everything. In 4 seasons, Towns has 1 playoff appearance (largely due to Jimmy Butler) and the Wolves have a record 40+ games under .500 in that time period. He should be a leader, but instead he remains passive and indifferent, content to let his team coast along to losing season after losing season.
There's no better place for renowned psychiatrists (and psychologists) than Real GM.
Forget about stuff we know. Facts and stats and even anecdotal evidence are lame. The real insight comes from pretending to know what these guys are actually thinking, or motivated by.
As for your value of winning... it's important. Definitely. Just how good did you think last year's Wolves team was? Let's say Towns wasn't so content at being content and indifferent toward basketball... you think they could have won 45 games? 55 games? More?
Just curious.
I think that if he and Wiggins took their jobs more seriously, they wouldn't have driven Butler away. Considering they went 47-35 the previous season and made the playoffs, I think that he was a huge reason for their 11 win drop-off.
Without Butler, he's a career loser. With Butler, he makes the playoffs. The next season, he helps drive him out. I'm not even a fan of Butler, but it doesn't take a psychiatrist (or psychologist) to see that KAT isn't motivated to win. If he is motivated to win, then it's nothing more than a secondary or tertiary concern.
Tim Kempton wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:Tim Kempton wrote:
First of all, I do not get mad about these rankings, especially since I couldn't really care less about any NBA player. I love the sport, but I haven't passionately argued about rankings since I was a teenager.
Secondly, KAT puts up great offensive stats, but he is at best an average defender who suffers from sustained lapses of laziness. LeBron and other offensive juggernauts (deservedly) get criticized for milking it on the defensive end all the time. Towns shouldn't be exempt from this.
Lastly, I value winning over everything. In 4 seasons, Towns has 1 playoff appearance (largely due to Jimmy Butler) and the Wolves have a record 40+ games under .500 in that time period. He should be a leader, but instead he remains passive and indifferent, content to let his team coast along to losing season after losing season.
There's no better place for renowned psychiatrists (and psychologists) than Real GM.
Forget about stuff we know. Facts and stats and even anecdotal evidence are lame. The real insight comes from pretending to know what these guys are actually thinking, or motivated by.
As for your value of winning... it's important. Definitely. Just how good did you think last year's Wolves team was? Let's say Towns wasn't so content at being content and indifferent toward basketball... you think they could have won 45 games? 55 games? More?
Just curious.
I think that if he and Wiggins took their jobs more seriously, they wouldn't have driven Butler away. Considering they went 47-35 the previous season and made the playoffs, I think that he was a huge reason for their 11 win drop-off.
Without Butler, he's a career loser. With Butler, he makes the playoffs. The next season, he helps drive him out. I'm not even a fan of Butler, but it doesn't take a psychiatrist (or psychologist) to see that KAT isn't motivated to win. If he is motivated to win, then it's nothing more than a secondary or tertiary concern.
iggymcfrack wrote:Tim Kempton wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:
There's no better place for renowned psychiatrists (and psychologists) than Real GM.
Forget about stuff we know. Facts and stats and even anecdotal evidence are lame. The real insight comes from pretending to know what these guys are actually thinking, or motivated by.
As for your value of winning... it's important. Definitely. Just how good did you think last year's Wolves team was? Let's say Towns wasn't so content at being content and indifferent toward basketball... you think they could have won 45 games? 55 games? More?
Just curious.
I think that if he and Wiggins took their jobs more seriously, they wouldn't have driven Butler away. Considering they went 47-35 the previous season and made the playoffs, I think that he was a huge reason for their 11 win drop-off.
Without Butler, he's a career loser. With Butler, he makes the playoffs. The next season, he helps drive him out. I'm not even a fan of Butler, but it doesn't take a psychiatrist (or psychologist) to see that KAT isn't motivated to win. If he is motivated to win, then it's nothing more than a secondary or tertiary concern.
Grouping Towns and Wiggins together is like saying that if Draymond and Quinn Cook would have played better last season maybe the Warriors would have beat the Raptors.
Yallbecrazy wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:Yallbecrazy wrote:go to hell OP, where is Lowry?
The OP isn't picking the choices lol it's a consensus poll. But yeah, to your point, the consensus is wrong. Oladipo and Lowry need to be on the list.
There were more nominations for Lowry than Mitchell or Doncic, he seems to be purposefully ignoring it
iggymcfrack wrote:Tim Kempton wrote:AbeVigodaLive wrote:
There's no better place for renowned psychiatrists (and psychologists) than Real GM.
Forget about stuff we know. Facts and stats and even anecdotal evidence are lame. The real insight comes from pretending to know what these guys are actually thinking, or motivated by.
As for your value of winning... it's important. Definitely. Just how good did you think last year's Wolves team was? Let's say Towns wasn't so content at being content and indifferent toward basketball... you think they could have won 45 games? 55 games? More?
Just curious.
I think that if he and Wiggins took their jobs more seriously, they wouldn't have driven Butler away. Considering they went 47-35 the previous season and made the playoffs, I think that he was a huge reason for their 11 win drop-off.
Without Butler, he's a career loser. With Butler, he makes the playoffs. The next season, he helps drive him out. I'm not even a fan of Butler, but it doesn't take a psychiatrist (or psychologist) to see that KAT isn't motivated to win. If he is motivated to win, then it's nothing more than a secondary or tertiary concern.
Grouping Towns and Wiggins together is like saying that if Draymond and Quinn Cook would have played better last season maybe the Warriors would have beat the Raptors.