Teams are prepping scenarios where the cap is 10-15% lower due to the NBA situation with China

[DCRYsing89]

Maxes would lowered since they're dependent on % of the cap (which future projections would be incorrect for with the 10-15% decrease).

And in theory salaries across the board could be lowered to make up for losses, but that's something the NBA hasn't had to do because so far just holding back a % of the salary has been sufficient to make up for any slop in the final numbers.

So, short of digging in to the CBA, I guess we'll have to see ...

You can't change an existing contract because you suddenly don't want to pay the contracted amount. It's signed and legally binding. So I don't think that theory is valid.

I think once it’s in affect it can’t be changed,
Like Walls Supermax changed will the cap.
But now it’s in affect it doesn’t change

So Wall could legit end up getting paid 52% of the cap... that’s not so good

[Usual Suspects]

So, does this mean that the contracts of the likes of Wall and CP3 become even more untradeable?

Like would OKC and Washington have been better to take Miami's "alleged" offer before this?

[JonFromVA]

And in theory salaries across the board could be lowered to make up for losses, but that's something the NBA hasn't had to do because so far just holding back a % of the salary has been sufficient to make up for any slop in the final numbers.

So, short of digging in to the CBA, I guess we'll have to see ...

You can't change an existing contract because you suddenly don't want to pay the contracted amount. It's signed and legally binding. So I don't think that theory is valid.

I think once it’s in affect it can’t be changed,
Like Walls Supermax changed will the cap.
But now it’s in affect it doesn’t change

So Wall could legit end up getting paid 52% of the cap... that’s not so good

The CBA contract supercedes any player contract, so the truth is in there for anyone interested enough to dig in.

And while it would be messy / problematic to try recoup money already paid out ... it is one approach to the problem.

We think of the NBA as having a soft cap ... and every player could get the max if the owners were stupid enough to offer it, but that's fundamentally incompatible with revenue sharing. If everyone was signed to one dollar under the max or to the ver min, they'd all get paid league average.

The union really should have thought more about that before putting the highest paid players in charge. The owners would had been more than happy to distribute the salary bump to everyone.

[ProcessMeUpFam]

OK so lets assume the Chinese GOV is upset with the NBA. How exactly does that translate to financial losses? Have the games been banned there?

Cap is based on collective income. If China restricts the NBA's access, which lead to lower income, then based on the current CBA the cap would decline. Teams would then need to lower salaries on new contracts accordingly.

After decades of growth the US Basketball Market is fairly saturated, there's not much the NBA can do domestically, so to grow their income they need to go international. China is the easiest money at the moment. Huge population with disposable income. If the NBA plays their cards right in China the NBA can double their income by the end of the next decade. Means next generation LeBron makes 60+ million a year. Role players making $15 million. Big time $$.

The NBA wants other regions, like Indian and Africa, but they are much poorer than China at the moment. Europe is a tough nut to crack since they already have their own leagues. China is the big opportunity right now. China's only requirement is for the NBA to stay silent while the communist government steals western intellectual property, imprisons its citizens, and continues to recolonize Africa. Small price to pay for a few bucks right.

Genuinely curious what you mean by recolonize Africa? Can you point me to a link or anything?

[Pointgod]

Can someone explain to me in like 2 sentences why China cares about a Morey tweet and why this has turned into such a cluster?

The controlling party of China is run by a bunch of thin skinned beta males who are terrified of losing control of the population (I.e staying rich and in power) so they lose their **** to any type of criticism because God forbid the Chinese population actually start thinking for themselves.

[Pointgod]

OK so lets assume the Chinese GOV is upset with the NBA. How exactly does that translate to financial losses? Have the games been banned there?

Cap is based on collective income. If China restricts the NBA's access, which lead to lower income, then based on the current CBA the cap would decline. Teams would then need to lower salaries on new contracts accordingly.

After decades of growth the US Basketball Market is fairly saturated, there's not much the NBA can do domestically, so to grow their income they need to go international. China is the easiest money at the moment. Huge population with disposable income. If the NBA plays their cards right in China the NBA can double their income by the end of the next decade. Means next generation LeBron makes 60+ million a year. Role players making $15 million. Big time $$.

The NBA wants other regions, like Indian and Africa, but they are much poorer than China at the moment. Europe is a tough nut to crack since they already have their own leagues. China is the big opportunity right now. China's only requirement is for the NBA to stay silent while the communist government steals western intellectual property, imprisons its citizens, and continues to recolonize Africa. Small price to pay for a few bucks right.

Genuinely curious what you mean by recolonize Africa? Can you point me to a link or anything?

Look up belt and road initiative.

[GregOden]

Building infrastructure and selling it with debt is not the same thing as a land invasion and occupation by redcoats.

[Buzzard]

It will balance itself out and they will survive it im sure, let China keep crying

China is responsible for 10-20% of the NBA's revenue. The major TV Network there has already pulled the plug and unlike here, China does not have to honor contracts. This is why the NBA is trying to play this out low key, they want those games televised not to mention the NBA apparel sales.

They will survive no doubt but it is going to cost some billionaire owners and millionaire players a pretty penny if this is how it pans out. Think of it this way, if your company suffered just a 10% loss in one quarter, employees would be laid off without blinking a eye. The NBA cannot lay players under contract off but it is a 50 - 50 revenue split, so both parties will lose the money.

[scrabbarista]

OK so lets assume the Chinese GOV is upset with the NBA. How exactly does that translate to financial losses? Have the games been banned there?

Cap is based on collective income. If China restricts the NBA's access, which lead to lower income, then based on the current CBA the cap would decline. Teams would then need to lower salaries on new contracts accordingly.

After decades of growth the US Basketball Market is fairly saturated, there's not much the NBA can do domestically, so to grow their income they need to go international. China is the easiest money at the moment. Huge population with disposable income. If the NBA plays their cards right in China the NBA can double their income by the end of the next decade. Means next generation LeBron makes 60+ million a year. Role players making $15 million. Big time $$.

The NBA wants other regions, like Indian and Africa, but they are much poorer than China at the moment. Europe is a tough nut to crack since they already have their own leagues. China is the big opportunity right now. China's only requirement is for the NBA to stay silent while the communist government steals western intellectual property, imprisons its citizens, and continues to recolonize Africa. Small price to pay for a few bucks right.

Genuinely curious what you mean by recolonize Africa? Can you point me to a link or anything?

China loans poor countries billions to build infrastructure (so they can pay those billions to Chinese construction firms), then takes over ownership of the infrastructure when the country can't repay the loans. It's included in the deal - "If you don't repay us, we get the stuff we built for you. In your country." And just to add insult to injury, China imports temporary Chinese construction workers, so the locals don't even get any jobs out of it. A lot of corrupt leaders in these countries go along with it just to get the kickbacks. They know they're literally selling their own nations. It's happened over and over again.

I believe it was Malaysia who actually stood up to China and said, "Nope. We're not paying you back, and you aren't getting our infrastructure." That was when a new president came into office. He said the deal the old president cut didn't stand. There are African countries where China owns pretty much all the transportation, all the media, and all the natural resources, partly because of deals like this (e.g., Zambia). This is what people mean when they talk about the new colonialism. But it's not just limited to Africa. China owns entire shipping ports in places all throughout Europe.

[MrDollarBills]

NBA players are already overpaid.

Not really when you look at what their labor brings into the league. You can argue that the big names are actually underpaid tbh.

i'm not advocating for them to get more money, I'm just saying that a guy like Lebron, KD, Steph bring in more value than what they're probably paid per year.

[First Step]

Morey caused a recession.

[MrDollarBills]

Cap is based on collective income. If China restricts the NBA's access, which lead to lower income, then based on the current CBA the cap would decline. Teams would then need to lower salaries on new contracts accordingly.

After decades of growth the US Basketball Market is fairly saturated, there's not much the NBA can do domestically, so to grow their income they need to go international. China is the easiest money at the moment. Huge population with disposable income. If the NBA plays their cards right in China the NBA can double their income by the end of the next decade. Means next generation LeBron makes 60+ million a year. Role players making $15 million. Big time $$.

The NBA wants other regions, like Indian and Africa, but they are much poorer than China at the moment. Europe is a tough nut to crack since they already have their own leagues. China is the big opportunity right now. China's only requirement is for the NBA to stay silent while the communist government steals western intellectual property, imprisons its citizens, and continues to recolonize Africa. Small price to pay for a few bucks right.

Genuinely curious what you mean by recolonize Africa? Can you point me to a link or anything?

Look up belt and road initiative.

I've seen first hand that they are also doing this in the West Indies.

[CptCrunch]

Can someone explain to me in like 2 sentences why China cares about a Morey tweet and why this has turned into such a cluster?

1. Western perspective: China overreacting and flexing their economic muscle in silencing a Western critic in support of Hong Kong 'protests'. China is abusing human rights and supressing the freedom of the people of Hong Kong.

2. Chinese perspective: speech is free, but consequences are not. China is punishing NBA's refusal to fully refute and apologize for Morey's statement in support of Hong Kong 'riots' and independence movement. Chinese culture is sensitive to Western meddling in its territorial affairs due to historical reasons (outlined from a Chinese perspective here by Nets owner Joe Tsai: https://www.facebook.com/100001583307192/posts/2653378931391524?sfns=mo)

[MrDollarBills]

Cap is based on collective income. If China restricts the NBA's access, which lead to lower income, then based on the current CBA the cap would decline. Teams would then need to lower salaries on new contracts accordingly.

After decades of growth the US Basketball Market is fairly saturated, there's not much the NBA can do domestically, so to grow their income they need to go international. China is the easiest money at the moment. Huge population with disposable income. If the NBA plays their cards right in China the NBA can double their income by the end of the next decade. Means next generation LeBron makes 60+ million a year. Role players making $15 million. Big time $$.

The NBA wants other regions, like Indian and Africa, but they are much poorer than China at the moment. Europe is a tough nut to crack since they already have their own leagues. China is the big opportunity right now. China's only requirement is for the NBA to stay silent while the communist government steals western intellectual property, imprisons its citizens, and continues to recolonize Africa. Small price to pay for a few bucks right.

Genuinely curious what you mean by recolonize Africa? Can you point me to a link or anything?

China loans poor countries billions to build infrastructure (so they can pay those billions to Chinese construction firms), then takes over ownership of the infrastructure when the country can't repay the loans. It's included in the deal - "If you don't repay us, we get the stuff we built for you. In your country." And just to add insult to injury, China imports temporary Chinese construction workers, so the locals don't even get any jobs out of it. A lot of corrupt leaders in these countries go along with it just to get the kickbacks. They know they're literally selling their own nations. It's happened over and over again.

They pulled this **** in Barbados as well. Put a ton of native contractors out of work and now the country is in substantial debt. Jamaica got caught up as well. The CCP is running a hard racket right in the USA's backyard but this country is too stupid to realize what's happening.

[MrDollarBills]

Can someone explain to me in like 2 sentences why China cares about a Morey tweet and why this has turned into such a cluster?

1. Western perspective: China overreacting and flexing their economic muscle in silencing a Western critic in support of Hong Kong 'protests'. China is abusing human rights and supressing the freedom of the people of Hong Kong.

2. Chinese perspective: speech is free, but consequences are not. China is punishing NBA's refusal to fully refute and apologize for Morey's statement in support of Hong Kong 'riots' and independence movement. Chinese culture is sensitive to Western meddling in its territorial affairs due to historical reasons (outlined from a Chinese perspective here by Nets owner Joe Tsai: https://www.facebook.com/100001583307192/posts/2653378931391524?sfns=mo)

Note: Joe Tsai's framing of this is from a pro CCP angle. He does present valid facts, but be wary that he is also spewing propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government, who has him by the balls.

I already miss Mikhail Prokhorov. He was owned by the Russian mob but FFS nothing as awful as this situation happened while he owned the team. And I was happy to see Tsai buy the team because he's a person of color like I am but I cannot condone shilling for the CCP.

[RookieStar]

Hey isn't this a good thing? I mean aprund 2k8 or 2k9 I was literally agog with my GM heanding Rahsard that 100mil contract. ( Im sure Wizards fans also were when you gave out Juwan Howard that 100mil ) but nowadays... 120m contract offer and a starplayer doesnt even blink.

And here we are posters that probably earns less than 3k a month without taxes.

[CptCrunch]

Can someone explain to me in like 2 sentences why China cares about a Morey tweet and why this has turned into such a cluster?

1. Western perspective: China overreacting and flexing their economic muscle in silencing a Western critic in support of Hong Kong 'protests'. China is abusing human rights and supressing the freedom of the people of Hong Kong.

2. Chinese perspective: speech is free, but consequences are not. China is punishing NBA's refusal to fully refute and apologize for Morey's statement in support of Hong Kong 'riots' and independence movement. Chinese culture is sensitive to Western meddling in its territorial affairs due to historical reasons (outlined from a Chinese perspective here by Nets owner Joe Tsai: https://www.facebook.com/100001583307192/posts/2653378931391524?sfns=mo)

Note: Joe Tsai's framing of this is from a pro CCP angle. He does present valid facts, but be wary that he is also spewing propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government, who has him by the balls.

I already miss Mikhail Prokhorov. He was owned by the Russian mob but FFS nothing as awful as this situation happened while he owned the team. And I was happy to see Tsai buy the team because he's a person of color like I am but I cannot condone shilling for the CCP.

Man, you are accusing a Taiwanese American of spouting CCP propaganda.

Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that there is more perspective than a Western perspective? When anything that doesn't align with your perspective becomes CPP propaganda. It seems that Chinese perspective is not possible without you'all calling it CPP propaganda. Perhaps we should be calling Western perspectives CIA backed propaganda.

[zimpy27]

Can we at least all agree to call this event "Moreybail".

[scrabbarista]

1. Western perspective: China overreacting and flexing their economic muscle in silencing a Western critic in support of Hong Kong 'protests'. China is abusing human rights and supressing the freedom of the people of Hong Kong.

2. Chinese perspective: speech is free, but consequences are not. China is punishing NBA's refusal to fully refute and apologize for Morey's statement in support of Hong Kong 'riots' and independence movement. Chinese culture is sensitive to Western meddling in its territorial affairs due to historical reasons (outlined from a Chinese perspective here by Nets owner Joe Tsai: https://www.facebook.com/100001583307192/posts/2653378931391524?sfns=mo)

Note: Joe Tsai's framing of this is from a pro CCP angle. He does present valid facts, but be wary that he is also spewing propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government, who has him by the balls.

I already miss Mikhail Prokhorov. He was owned by the Russian mob but FFS nothing as awful as this situation happened while he owned the team. And I was happy to see Tsai buy the team because he's a person of color like I am but I cannot condone shilling for the CCP.

Man, you are accusing a Taiwanese American of spouting CCP propaganda.

Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that there is more perspective than a Western perspective? When anything that doesn't align with your perspective becomes CPP propaganda. It seems that Chinese perspective is not possible without you'all calling it CPP propaganda. Perhaps we should be calling Western perspectives CIA backed propaganda.

A Taiwanese American Canadian who made double digit billions IN CHINA and now identifies AS CHINESE. He even speaks directly for the Chinese people like three times in his letter, referencing the feelings of the "hundreds of millions," "hundreds of millions," and "1.4 billion." I have to assume you know these things about Tsai. If you want to build sympathy for a genuine Chinese perspective, maybe a little less disingenuity would help.

[AussieCeltic]

1. Western perspective: China overreacting and flexing their economic muscle in silencing a Western critic in support of Hong Kong 'protests'. China is abusing human rights and supressing the freedom of the people of Hong Kong.

2. Chinese perspective: speech is free, but consequences are not. China is punishing NBA's refusal to fully refute and apologize for Morey's statement in support of Hong Kong 'riots' and independence movement. Chinese culture is sensitive to Western meddling in its territorial affairs due to historical reasons (outlined from a Chinese perspective here by Nets owner Joe Tsai: https://www.facebook.com/100001583307192/posts/2653378931391524?sfns=mo)

Note: Joe Tsai's framing of this is from a pro CCP angle. He does present valid facts, but be wary that he is also spewing propaganda on behalf of the Chinese government, who has him by the balls.

I already miss Mikhail Prokhorov. He was owned by the Russian mob but FFS nothing as awful as this situation happened while he owned the team. And I was happy to see Tsai buy the team because he's a person of color like I am but I cannot condone shilling for the CCP.

Man, you are accusing a Taiwanese American of spouting CCP propaganda.

Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that there is more perspective than a Western perspective? When anything that doesn't align with your perspective becomes CPP propaganda. It seems that Chinese perspective is not possible without you'all calling it CPP propaganda. Perhaps we should be calling Western perspectives CIA backed propaganda.

Genuine question. Are you Chinese?