Jayson Tatum Is Struggling Because...

jpengland · Post #41 » by **jpengland** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:18 am

Mentality.

He rarely passes, puts up bad shots and seems to have bought into the rookie year hype and the Kobe workout stuff.

Hes a potential fantastic 2nd option, and he should be focusing on improving his facilitation, defense and shot selection. If he gets that right he will be fantastic as all the tools are there.

GrandTheftRondo · Post #42 » by **GrandTheftRondo** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:24 am

jpengland wrote:Mentality.

He rarely passes, puts up bad shots and seems to have bought into the rookie year hype and the Kobe workout stuff.

Hes a potential fantastic 2nd option, and he should be focusing on improving his facilitation, defense and shot selection. If he gets that right he will be fantastic as all the tools are there.

That’s complete garbage. At times he had to be basically forced into keeping the ball and shooting last year. This year he shoots within the flow of the offence just like he did in his rookie season.

The Kobe comment is hilarious and I can’t believe it keeps being brought up. So it’s a bad thing now that a young player works with an all time great? You talk as though Kobe has no insight to offer and has no idea about the modern game. Kobe is easily one of the hardest workers and best students of the game ever. He’s well aware of the move towards layups and 3s.

robbie84 · Post #43 » by **robbie84** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:32 am

jpengland wrote:Mentality.

He rarely passes, puts up bad shots and seems to have bought into the rookie year hype and the Kobe workout stuff.

Hes a potential fantastic 2nd option, and he should be focusing on improving his facilitation, defense and shot selection. If he gets that right he will be fantastic as all the tools are there.

What a load of crap.
Have you watched any Celtics games this season other than the Dallas game?

Those are the three things he's improved the most this year lol.
If you don't actually watch the player, please don't spout garbage like this.

jpengland · Post #44 » by **jpengland** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:54 am

robbie84 wrote:
jpengland wrote:Mentality.

He rarely passes, puts up bad shots and seems to have bought into the rookie year hype and the Kobe workout stuff.

Hes a potential fantastic 2nd option, and he should be focusing on improving his facilitation, defense and shot selection. If he gets that right he will be fantastic as all the tools are there.

What a load of crap.
Have you watched any Celtics games this season other than the Dallas game?

Those are the three things he's improved the most this year lol.
If you don't actually watch the player, please don't spout garbage like this.

Hes driving into dead ends, not looking to move the ball once he's put it on the floor and that's why his 2FG% is a pile of crap.

That's decision making, mentality and shot selection.

Once he decides he's shooting the ball, that's that.

Danny Leroux had some interesting stats regarding his head down drives. It's something like 17% of his drives which result in a pass.

Until that changes, he's going to be inefficient.

The_Hater · Post #45 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:58 am

Maybe he’s not struggling? Maybe this is exactly who he is which is still a very good NBA player on a very good team?

Or maybe he’s still just 21 years old and people expect too much, too soon from players that age?

chrisab123 · Post #46 » by **chrisab123** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:02 am

While I don't disagree with the premise of this thread this a very curious time to start a Tatum is struggling thread. Given the stat line that he put up tonight...

MagicBagley18 · Post #47 » by **MagicBagley18** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:57 pm

You can tell who watches him play and who looks at box scores just by the posts here. He’s been great for Boston. Rebound, defense, shot selection all much improved. Making decisions on offense quicker, greatly reduced long 2s from his game and his shooting 3s and layups primarily, except for occasional lapse.

After this genius thread he finished the game 12-24 against 3 of the best perimeter players in the entire league, and while he has been bad at finishing around the rim- he gets there’s routinely and they will start to even out. Kids a stud plain and simple.

TheOGJabroni · Post #48 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:22 pm

His FG% is really the only part of his game that is questionable at all right now & that will almost surely improve as the year progresses. If that Dallas game didn't happen, he's at about 44% from the field. Additionally, something that I think is flying under the radar, is the loss of Hayward & the impact it's had on the offense. Aside from the ridiculous 140 point game against the Wizards, the C's offense has looked much less fluid without him. The Dallas game also happened to be the first without Hayward.

He's 21 years old & acclimating to becoming a focal point in the offense. He definitely needs to get stronger in the paint & stop trying to avoid contact or looking for weak foul calls, but I am really not overly concerned about that at all right now.

The assists numbers aren't high but I think there has been plenty of evidence of court vision for those that watch him night in & night out.

Fantaxp7 · Post #49 » by **Fantaxp7** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:23 pm

jpengland wrote:Mentality.

He rarely passes, puts up bad shots and seems to have bought into the rookie year hype and the Kobe workout stuff.

Hes a potential fantastic 2nd option, and he should be focusing on improving his facilitation, defense and shot selection. If he gets that right he will be fantastic as all the tools are there.

This was last years hot take.

itrsteve · Post #50 » by **itrsteve** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:49 pm

His big struggle is finishing at the rim... That's what he was asked to do, replace the iso fadeaway long 2 ball with easy points in the paint. If you look at his shot charts, it's exactly what he's doing.

But yes, he's definitely struggling finishing... The big however, is that he has the speed and length to get there.. His roll is just a hair off right now. Once he figures that one out his stat lines will look unreal and take some heat off him from the box score boogers.

SmartWentCrazy · Post #51 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:02 pm

I can tell you havent watched him this season if you think he’s struggling.

His shooting percentages are down because he had an outlier historically bad shooting game where he went 1-18. Removing that gets him to 44/40/80 splits with a TS slightly above last years level. Due to the small sample of games, that outlier has a stronger impact toward his overall percentages.

Feed Your Head · Post #52 » by **Feed Your Head** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:45 pm

Obviously is super SSS, but this shows he can get a good shot whenever he wants. Which is a massive difference from last season. A wing who is a great defender and can create offense in crunch time is crazy valuable. I'd expect him to be top 20 in RPM when it drops, considering how high he is in PIPM.

Read on Twitter

Tatum also is shooting a team-best 66.7 percent in clutch situations, which the league defines as five minutes or less remaining and the score margin within five points.

ITYSL · Post #53 » by **ITYSL** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:09 pm

He has had his ups and downs this season, but this was a really strange time to start the thread, considering Tatum just scored 30 points on 50% shooting, at times facing two of the top perimeter defenders in the league.

Tatum is not struggling, but he does have areas of needed improvement. As others have pointed out, his game around the rim could improve. He needs to drive the lane with the realization that he will encounter contact and with the intent to score. Right now it seems like he frequently drives the lane with the expectation of contact and expectation of a foul call that often doesn't come. He hasn't had a very friendly whistle on those drives, but he needs to stop complaining about every non-call and drive to score instead of driving to shoot free throws. He would do well by copying from Kawhi, who yells instead of flails. That allows him to finish at the hoop and still get the calls.

Overall he's playing very well and is a main reason why the Celtics are 11-3 right now.

WillyJakkz · Post #54 » by **WillyJakkz** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:10 pm

jpengland wrote:Mentality.

He rarely passes, puts up bad shots and seems to have bought into the rookie year hype and the Kobe workout stuff.

Hes a potential fantastic 2nd option, and he should be focusing on improving his facilitation, defense and shot selection. If he gets that right he will be fantastic as all the tools are there.

I don't count "Celtics Kyrie Season" as everyone seemed to take a step back cause he dribble dribbled too much on that team and I honestly think he has 1st option talent which he showed his rookie season but it seems he hasn't progressed offensively like I thought he would.

Most guys are saying finishing at the rim is his issue so to me that seems like a physical condition and for those saying he's only 21 and he'll fill out physically my question is when? Other players his age range or tenure have started hitting the weights etc by Yr 3.

Yeezus_ · Post #55 » by **Yeezus_** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:14 pm

L3GEND4RY wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:NBA leader in net rating by a wide margin Jayson Tatum?

Yeah came to post this as well. Pretty sure he’ll be fine.

His eFG is 48.1% and his TS is is 51.5%. His production on offense has been inefficient and those numbers are the lowest of his career.

LakersSoul · Post #56 » by **LakersSoul** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:20 pm

Tatum struggling? Tell that to Paul George.

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denmuscles · Post #57 » by **denmuscles** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:24 pm

Haters gonna hate from their warm couch eating potato chips, talking like some experts lol. Any GM would love to have Tatum...

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #58 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:27 pm

GeorgeMarcus wrote:He’s had a great year so I think your premise is faulty. That’s coming from one of his biggest skeptics.

Well he's having a way better year than Luka Doncic...but then again, who hasn't?

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #59 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:30 pm

CoP wrote:He has had his ups and downs this season, but this was a really strange time to start the thread, considering Tatum just scored 30 points on 50% shooting, at times facing two of the top perimeter defenders in the league.

Tatum is not struggling, but he does have areas of needed improvement. As others have pointed out, his game around the rim could improve. He needs to drive the lane with the realization that he will encounter contact and with the intent to score. Right now it seems like he frequently drives the lane with the expectation of contact and expectation of a foul call that often doesn't come. He hasn't had a very friendly whistle on those drives, but he needs to stop complaining about every non-call and drive to score instead of driving to shoot free throws. He would do well by copying from Kawhi, who yells instead of flails. That allows him to finish at the hoop and still get the calls.

Overall he's playing very well and is a main reason why the Celtics are 11-3 right now.

One article I've seen is that if his outside scoring is legit, his inside shooting simply must improve (due to all of his blown layups this year), and he will become a pretty efficient scorer by default. An interesting take, and one I can't necessarily disagree with. His percentages on shots not taken near the rim might decrease obviously but we shall see.

Darth Celtic · Post #60 » by **Darth Celtic** » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:33 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:He’s had a great year so I think your premise is faulty. That’s coming from one of his biggest skeptics.

But he's only shooting 40% according to basketball reference.

Also watching this Celtics Clippers game he seems to get pushed around alot, I don't recall him playing like the way I'm seeing him play atm seems like he's settling for alot more jumpers which is why I chalked it up to his weight for his struggles.

so you are putting that he is shooting 41% from the field as a reason he is struggling.

Learn basketball.

He is shooting 39% from 3 at 6.6 attempts a game. He is averaging 21ppg and 7 rebounds. And his defense is amazing, he can defend pgs to centers. Just not in the post yet. This entire thread isn't as bad as "celtics exposed", but you aren't far behind. NBA leader in Plus Minus on 11-3 team at age 21 is struggling....