Jaylen Brown: “It wasn’t Kyrie’s fault. It was on the coaches and FO.”

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Post#41 » by Ado05 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:18 am

Jaylen Brown should just never talk lol.
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Post#42 » by ItsMyPotPie » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:21 am

Can we move on please? Focus on the current roster and let the bygones be gone by.
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Post#43 » by Lalouie » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:27 am

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Post#44 » by chitownsalesmen » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:58 am

Man, why he is he saying this, is he angling for more PT? Is he trying to get traded/get someone else traded?

Their has to be an agenda for him saying this.
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Post#45 » by chitownsalesmen » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:03 am

ThumbsUpBaby wrote:
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rockmanslim wrote:"It wasn’t his fault that certain guys couldn’t take a step back."

Who is Jaylen referring to here?


Rozier. I'm glad he has had some success in Charlotte, but dude was a nightmare last season.

Maybe Hayward to a lesser extent, it's no secret Jaylen had issues with him early last season. I'm quite glad this season has been far more enjoyable, just thinking about last season gives me heartburn.


Rozier was what started everything last year. He deserves the same bulk of blame that Kyrie is getting.

Scary Terry turned from, what was a playoff fan favorite, into a fan nightmare.



ehh. I agree Terry seemed to regress on the court last year from 2018(especially the playoffs) but wouldn't you also have expected a lot more from Kyrie? and by all accounts Kyrie, is, was and will be a head case off the court whether it was Boston, Cleveland or Brooklyn now? Kyrie just seems to be one of those guys that has dark clouds following him a lot of times.
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Post#46 » by cl2117 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:46 am

Grasping at straws much? This isn't even a molehill and you're trying to pretend it's a mountain. GTFOH
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Post#47 » by Grits n Gravy » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:50 am

LibertyKnicks00 wrote:We'll that's quite the remark for your employers to hear..

"It was everybody else's fault and none of the fault lies with those who actually go out on the court and play"
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Post#48 » by Gooner » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:04 am

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JayMKE wrote:Think he just doesn't want to talk **** about an ex-teammate even if it means throwing his FO and coaches under bus, I guess its hard to blame Kyrie for being himself since he's always been this dude.


He's not really throwing the coach or FO under the bus because the coach and FO have all said the same thing. It's the official stance of the organization, basically.


Why wouldn't he throw them under the bus? They did that to him few times. Nobody is really defending Kyrie when they say these things, they just understand that he wasn't the biggest problem. It was indeed the front office and the coach. It starts form the top, and they didn't manage that roster well at all.
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Post#49 » by Gooner » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:05 am

rockmanslim wrote:"It wasn’t his fault that certain guys couldn’t take a step back."

Who is Jaylen referring to here?


Gordon Hayward, the teacher's pet. Last year he didn't look like himself at all, but he was still getting heavy minutes.
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Post#50 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:13 am

chitownsalesmen wrote:
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Rozier. I'm glad he has had some success in Charlotte, but dude was a nightmare last season.

Maybe Hayward to a lesser extent, it's no secret Jaylen had issues with him early last season. I'm quite glad this season has been far more enjoyable, just thinking about last season gives me heartburn.


Rozier was what started everything last year. He deserves the same bulk of blame that Kyrie is getting.

Scary Terry turned from, what was a playoff fan favorite, into a fan nightmare.



ehh. I agree Terry seemed to regress on the court last year from 2018(especially the playoffs) but wouldn't you also have expected a lot more from Kyrie? and by all accounts Kyrie, is, was and will be a head case off the court whether it was Boston, Cleveland or Brooklyn now? Kyrie just seems to be one of those guys that has dark clouds following him a lot of times.


This isn't really about Terry's regression, it's his mentality that **** things up. I'll break it down for you.
As far as expectations as a leader goes, Kyrie absolutely failed. But as a player? He's done his part well until the series against the Bucks. That was the final straw for all Celtics fans. That "who cares" postgame interview broke many Celtics fans' heart. With that said, I'm reluctant on calling Kyrie a headcase. I can call him moody, a pseudo-intellectual, petty, amongst many other things... but a headcase? Not exactly. That's a word I refer to guys like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. Kyrie is just an absolute weirdo who functions differently than others, and that's something that rubs people the wrong way. It's just a tiring experience to go through and I won't blame the guys if they end up not liking him.

Rozier, on the other hand, was a malcontent through and through. He let that "Scary Terry" thing get to his head and became delusional. He's incredibly lucky that all the attention was on Kyrie, because otherwise people would find out that Terry Rozier was an absolute fool. It's just an assumption of mine, but if Al Horford of all people doesn't like you, then you're doing something wrong. There's this misconception that Kyrie was the instigator of everything. Nope, if you look back now, the signs were already there when Rozier refused to go to Kyrie's house party after Kyrie's announcement of resigning with the Celtics early last season. Imo, it all started with Rozier.
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Post#51 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:15 am

Gooner wrote:
rockmanslim wrote:"It wasn’t his fault that certain guys couldn’t take a step back."

Who is Jaylen referring to here?


Gordon Hayward, the teacher's pet. Last year he didn't look like himself at all, but he was still getting heavy minutes.


Makes no sense. Gordon never asked for his minutes. He never asked to be some high usage player. It was just given to him by Brad, which got some of the guys mad. When Brad decided to put Gordon to the bench, he was more than happy to accept that role.

It's probably Marcus Morris and Rozier he's referring to.
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Post#52 » by GTR11 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:16 am

Paradise wrote:BTW, I didn’t post this article to incite any pro-Kyrie Nets bias or anything.

I just find the quote legitimately concerning as a fan of the game. He’s proven nothing in this league to be calling out his own organization passive aggressively. He could’ve also said “it’s in the past. Let’s move on.” but he feels the need to continue to add fuel to the fire.


Anyone could tell what was the real issue, Danny's plan backfired and still incomplete. If anything this type of comments still show insecurity/disbelief in FO. Brown been pro and actually earned my respect. Him getting paid and not getting Isaiah Thomas'ed is a very savy move and show other Gm's around the league that you got gem right here.
I still think Celtic faithfulls like Jackie, Bill etc will still try to witch hunt Kyrie to take negative attention away from fans. They just can't lose here, trashing individual sells and gets their employers happy.
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Post#53 » by chitownsalesmen » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:24 am

ThumbsUpBaby wrote:
chitownsalesmen wrote:
ThumbsUpBaby wrote:
Rozier was what started everything last year. He deserves the same bulk of blame that Kyrie is getting.

Scary Terry turned from, what was a playoff fan favorite, into a fan nightmare.



ehh. I agree Terry seemed to regress on the court last year from 2018(especially the playoffs) but wouldn't you also have expected a lot more from Kyrie? and by all accounts Kyrie, is, was and will be a head case off the court whether it was Boston, Cleveland or Brooklyn now? Kyrie just seems to be one of those guys that has dark clouds following him a lot of times.


This isn't really about Terry's regression, it's his mentality that **** things up. I'll break it down for you.
As far as expectations as a leader goes, Kyrie absolutely failed. But as a player? He's done his part well until the series against the Bucks. That was the final straw for all Celtics fans. That "who cares" postgame interview broke many Celtics fans' heart. With that said, I'm reluctant on calling Kyrie a headcase. I can call him moody, a pseudo-intellectual, petty, amongst many other things... but a headcase? Not exactly. That's a word I refer to guys like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. Kyrie is just an absolute weirdo who functions differently than others, and that's something that rubs people the wrong way. It's just a tiring experience to go through and I won't blame the guys if they end up not liking him.

Rozier, on the other hand, was a malcontent through and through. He let that "Scary Terry" thing get to his head and became delusional. He's incredibly lucky that all the attention was on Kyrie, because otherwise people would find out that Terry Rozier was an absolute fool. It's just an assumption of mine, but if Al Horford of all people doesn't like you, then you're doing something wrong. There's this misconception that Kyrie was the instigator of everything. Nope, if you look back now, the signs were already there when Rozier refused to go to Kyrie's house party after Kyrie's announcement of resigning with the Celtics early last season. Imo, it all started with Rozier.



I'm not even arguing that but wouldn't you expect the former champion, and vet in Kyrie to be the bigger man? I wouldn't have signed Rozier to that deal he got either, and I get what your saying, he wasn't being a pro's pro. What I'm saying is I expect the guy who I traded an MVP caliber player(at that time), plus picks and assets for to be the bigger man and set the tone, not a back up who played well for a few months.
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Post#54 » by Gooner » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:25 am

ThumbsUpBaby wrote:
Gooner wrote:
rockmanslim wrote:"It wasn’t his fault that certain guys couldn’t take a step back."

Who is Jaylen referring to here?


Gordon Hayward, the teacher's pet. Last year he didn't look like himself at all, but he was still getting heavy minutes.


Makes no sense. Gordon never asked for his minutes. He never asked to be some high usage player. It was just given to him by Brad, which got some of the guys mad. When Brad decided to put Gordon to the bench, he was more than happy to accept that role.

It's probably Marcus Morris and Rozier he's referring to.


It could be Marcus Morris aswell, but I've heard Brown recently say that he and Rozier had to sacrifice the most, and that it was unfair. He is on Rozier's side in this situation. It does have a lot to do with Hayward, even if it wasn't his own fault. Keep in mind that Hayward and Brown will be competing for touches in the future. Brown started to flourish when Hayward got injured. Now Hayward is back and Brown had the game against Philly where he didn't get enough touches. So the timing of these comments is interesting aswell.
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Post#55 » by Gooner » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:29 am

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ehh. I agree Terry seemed to regress on the court last year from 2018(especially the playoffs) but wouldn't you also have expected a lot more from Kyrie? and by all accounts Kyrie, is, was and will be a head case off the court whether it was Boston, Cleveland or Brooklyn now? Kyrie just seems to be one of those guys that has dark clouds following him a lot of times.


This isn't really about Terry's regression, it's his mentality that **** things up. I'll break it down for you.
As far as expectations as a leader goes, Kyrie absolutely failed. But as a player? He's done his part well until the series against the Bucks. That was the final straw for all Celtics fans. That "who cares" postgame interview broke many Celtics fans' heart. With that said, I'm reluctant on calling Kyrie a headcase. I can call him moody, a pseudo-intellectual, petty, amongst many other things... but a headcase? Not exactly. That's a word I refer to guys like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. Kyrie is just an absolute weirdo who functions differently than others, and that's something that rubs people the wrong way. It's just a tiring experience to go through and I won't blame the guys if they end up not liking him.

Rozier, on the other hand, was a malcontent through and through. He let that "Scary Terry" thing get to his head and became delusional. He's incredibly lucky that all the attention was on Kyrie, because otherwise people would find out that Terry Rozier was an absolute fool. It's just an assumption of mine, but if Al Horford of all people doesn't like you, then you're doing something wrong. There's this misconception that Kyrie was the instigator of everything. Nope, if you look back now, the signs were already there when Rozier refused to go to Kyrie's house party after Kyrie's announcement of resigning with the Celtics early last season. Imo, it all started with Rozier.



I'm not even arguing that but wouldn't you expect the former champion, and vet in Kyrie to be the bigger man? I wouldn't have signed Rozier to that deal he got either, and I get what your saying, he wasn't being a pro's pro. What I'm saying is I expect the guy who I traded an MVP caliber player(at that time), plus picks and assets for to be the bigger man and set the tone, not a back up who played well for a few months.


That sounds good, but a vet and a champion like Kyrie has a big ego, that's the reality of it. It's human nature. Most of the people have a big ego, but someone like Kyrie has leverage, and at some point, he is gonna use it. Superstars are only willing to sacrifice so much. Kyrie was willing to sacrifice when things were going well, but when he saw that it wasn't working, then his attitude changed aswell.
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Post#56 » by chitownsalesmen » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:31 am

Gooner wrote:
chitownsalesmen wrote:
ThumbsUpBaby wrote:
This isn't really about Terry's regression, it's his mentality that **** things up. I'll break it down for you.
As far as expectations as a leader goes, Kyrie absolutely failed. But as a player? He's done his part well until the series against the Bucks. That was the final straw for all Celtics fans. That "who cares" postgame interview broke many Celtics fans' heart. With that said, I'm reluctant on calling Kyrie a headcase. I can call him moody, a pseudo-intellectual, petty, amongst many other things... but a headcase? Not exactly. That's a word I refer to guys like Dion Waiters and Nick Young. Kyrie is just an absolute weirdo who functions differently than others, and that's something that rubs people the wrong way. It's just a tiring experience to go through and I won't blame the guys if they end up not liking him.

Rozier, on the other hand, was a malcontent through and through. He let that "Scary Terry" thing get to his head and became delusional. He's incredibly lucky that all the attention was on Kyrie, because otherwise people would find out that Terry Rozier was an absolute fool. It's just an assumption of mine, but if Al Horford of all people doesn't like you, then you're doing something wrong. There's this misconception that Kyrie was the instigator of everything. Nope, if you look back now, the signs were already there when Rozier refused to go to Kyrie's house party after Kyrie's announcement of resigning with the Celtics early last season. Imo, it all started with Rozier.



I'm not even arguing that but wouldn't you expect the former champion, and vet in Kyrie to be the bigger man? I wouldn't have signed Rozier to that deal he got either, and I get what your saying, he wasn't being a pro's pro. What I'm saying is I expect the guy who I traded an MVP caliber player(at that time), plus picks and assets for to be the bigger man and set the tone, not a back up who played well for a few months.


That sounds good, but a vet and a champion like Kyrie has a big ego, that's the reality of it. It's human nature. Superstars are only willing to sacrifice so much. Kyrie was willing to sacrifice when things were going well, but when he saw that it wasn't working, then his attitude changed aswell.



100% thats what I'm saying, you can't let kyrie murder the team moral then get mad at Rozier because hes mad at Kyrie's for acting a fool. Not saying Rozier helped mattes, also not saying it wasn't a factor in letting him go, but he was almost certainly not he main problem last season.
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Post#57 » by Gooner » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:54 am

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I'm not even arguing that but wouldn't you expect the former champion, and vet in Kyrie to be the bigger man? I wouldn't have signed Rozier to that deal he got either, and I get what your saying, he wasn't being a pro's pro. What I'm saying is I expect the guy who I traded an MVP caliber player(at that time), plus picks and assets for to be the bigger man and set the tone, not a back up who played well for a few months.


That sounds good, but a vet and a champion like Kyrie has a big ego, that's the reality of it. It's human nature. Superstars are only willing to sacrifice so much. Kyrie was willing to sacrifice when things were going well, but when he saw that it wasn't working, then his attitude changed aswell.



100% thats what I'm saying, you can't let kyrie murder the team moral then get mad at Rozier because hes mad at Kyrie's for acting a fool. Not saying Rozier helped mattes, also not saying it wasn't a factor in letting him go, but he was almost certainly not he main problem last season.


I think that's the wrong order of events. The team morale was affected by the fact that certain guys like Rozier didn't have the roles that they wanted, and then later Kyrie completely destroyed it by not understanding other guys enough. Kyrie was mad at others for acting a fool, and then he started acting like one himself.
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Post#58 » by chitownsalesmen » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:15 am

Gooner wrote:
chitownsalesmen wrote:
Gooner wrote:
That sounds good, but a vet and a champion like Kyrie has a big ego, that's the reality of it. It's human nature. Superstars are only willing to sacrifice so much. Kyrie was willing to sacrifice when things were going well, but when he saw that it wasn't working, then his attitude changed aswell.



100% thats what I'm saying, you can't let kyrie murder the team moral then get mad at Rozier because hes mad at Kyrie's for acting a fool. Not saying Rozier helped mattes, also not saying it wasn't a factor in letting him go, but he was almost certainly not he main problem last season.


I think that's the wrong order of events. The team morale was affected by the fact that certain guys like Rozier didn't have the roles that they wanted, and then later Kyrie completely destroyed it by not understanding other guys enough. Kyrie was mad at others for acting a fool, and then he started acting like one himself.


Again, we are literally speculating, who knows exactly who started the whole deal. What I'm saying is one guy has, and had a history of having these internal problems, made a ton more money, and was brought onto that team after not wanting to play with the best player in the league for even just one more year. The other guy, is a younger guy, who stepped it up when the first guy got hurt, again especially in the playoffs, who at that point hadn't gotten a big deal yet, and was an Up coming RFA.


Sorry, but my money is on the guy with the history of drama, and the guy was going to get a max regardless, and actually turned down money twice in 3 years to change teams as the guy who, at some point initiated the controversy as much as he initiated the offense.
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Post#59 » by Stillwater » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:17 pm

Yogatti wrote:Translation: It was Kyrie's fault

Maybe given the ways so many under 30 people try to be PC..I'd say old Jalen wants out if they ain't moving gordo
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Post#60 » by Brofessor24 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:32 pm

I am more inclined to believe JB than anyone outside of the team.

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