Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson

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Better player Reggie Miller or Klay Thompson

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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#41 » by LKN » Thu May 14, 2020 8:06 am

Pennebaker wrote:Klay is a better scorer, and unlike Reggie he made an All-Defensive team - but Reggie led his teams and I guess until we see Klay do that he'll always be a step behind to most people.

That being said, I think Reggie is overrated.

If I were building a team and needed a shooter at SG I'd probably pick Klay.

Wouldn't be mad if I ended up with Miller though.


How is Klay a better scorer when Miller scores the same number points (more in the playoffs) on much better efficieny? (and thats' raw TS... if we use relative TS Miller completely annihilates him).

TOV% is about equal so Klay literally has zero argument over Miller.

Miller reg season - 18.2 ppg, 27.5 pts/100, .614 TS%, 10.5 TOV%
Miller playoffs - 20.6 ppg, 30.5 pts/100, .601 TS%, 9.4 TOV%

Thompson reg season - 19,5 ppg, 28.9 pts/100, .575 TS, 9.3 TOV%
Thompson playoffs - 19.3 ppg, 25.8 pts/100, .560 TS, 9.4 TOV%

And those career #s include Miller playing all the way to age 39... if I were to just include his seasons up to age 35 this is even more of a blowout
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#42 » by CodeBreaker » Thu May 14, 2020 8:06 am

I like Klay more on my team, but Reggie is the better player
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#43 » by draftnightsuit » Thu May 14, 2020 8:12 am

Reeko wrote:
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Reeko wrote:Looking at their career numbers they are fairly similar and their numbers at their peaks are also similar. They can both get you about 22 ppg 3 apg and 3 rpg, Reggie was considered a good defender but Klay is an elite defender. Klay is, up to this point, a marginally better 3 pt shooter but I would say that Reggie could score in more ways and both have reputations for being clutch. Anyway, it's a tough one to decide so I'll let y'all be the judge.


3P%:

Klay - 41.9%

Reggie- 39.5%

Klay is not a marginally better 3 pt shooter, he’s in an entirely different tier from Reggie.

However, Reggie has a higher TS% because he shoots more FTs (mostly due to his kick out move). Reggie is also a slightly better FT shooter. Klay only shoots 2.4 FTs which is insanely low for a 20 pt scorer.

Klay has one of the best, if not the best shooting forms ever. It’s absolutely perfect. But it’s almost too perfect because he shoots from a set position and doesn’t draw contact or contort his body. Meaning he isn’t going to the line very often.

Klay’s TS% is only 57.5%. That’s insanely low for such a great 3 PT shooter. TS% is slanted towards guys who

Basically, Klay is the better shooter but Reggie is more efficient.


Is Steve Kerr in a different tier than Stephen Curry?

Kerr - 45.4%

Curry - 43.5%


Yes they are in different tiers, considering Kerr shoots 7 fewer 3s per game.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#44 » by Reeko » Thu May 14, 2020 8:16 am

J-Wolves wrote:
Reeko wrote:
draftnightsuit wrote:
3P%:

Klay - 41.9%

Reggie- 39.5%

Klay is not a marginally better 3 pt shooter, he’s in an entirely different tier from Reggie.

However, Reggie has a higher TS% because he shoots more FTs (mostly due to his kick out move). Reggie is also a slightly better FT shooter. Klay only shoots 2.4 FTs which is insanely low for a 20 pt scorer.

Klay has one of the best, if not the best shooting forms ever. It’s absolutely perfect. But it’s almost too perfect because he shoots from a set position and doesn’t draw contact or contort his body. Meaning he isn’t going to the line very often.

Klay’s TS% is only 57.5%. That’s insanely low for such a great 3 PT shooter. TS% is slanted towards guys who

Basically, Klay is the better shooter but Reggie is more efficient.


Is Steve Kerr in a different tier than Stephen Curry?

Kerr - 45.4%

Curry - 43.5%


:noway:
Playoff 3pointers : Curry 40.1% VS Kerr 37.0%


Playoff 3pt %: BJ Armstrong 45.1% VS Klay 41.5%
Regular Season 3pt %: BJ Armstrong 42.5% VS Klay 41.9%
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#45 » by DCRYsing89 » Thu May 14, 2020 11:15 am

For his time, Reggie Miller by a mile...

Right now I would take Klay tho...
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#46 » by Shaka_Zulu » Thu May 14, 2020 11:26 am

I love Klay, but the answer is obviously Reggie, we are kidding ourselves saying otherwise.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#47 » by dantheman74 » Thu May 14, 2020 11:30 am

Reggie is my vote in this poll but it's a tough call. Klay is buckets and a better defender... but, Reggie was the #1 option and probably would have won it all if not for malice in the palace. Klay will always be a #2, i don't think he has the ability (or has shown interest in, seems like a lifer)leaving GSW to show his full potential as a #1 option on a title contender.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#48 » by mszymko » Thu May 14, 2020 12:45 pm

Reggie gets the nod for his leadership and personality.

Here's another question: Are Reggie and Cheryl the most talented basketball family of all time?
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#49 » by Nazrmohamed » Thu May 14, 2020 12:53 pm

LKN wrote:This isn't remotely close at all.... Klay Thompson isn't even in the same tier as Reggie Miller. Keep in mind these numbers include all Reggies old man years.

Reggie Miller - 3.7 OBPM reg season, 5.0 OBPM playoffs
Klay Thompson - 1.8 OBPM reg season, 1.2 OBPM playoffs

In the postseason Miller scored 30.5 PTS/100, Thompson 25.8/100 (also higher per game averages despite slower pace)

Reggine Miller has a career .601 TS in the postseason and Thompson has a .560 TS

One huge difference - Miller is really good at drawing fouls and Klay is not

Miller FTr - .402, Thompson FTr - .141


These guys aren't really very close as players at all. Thompson is a slightly better rebounder, but Miller is a bit better passer.

Thompson is a better defender - but he's doesn't make nearly enough impact on that end to make up the offensive gap (which is honestly enormous - particularly in the playoffs).



I haven't even mentioned that Miller generally was the primary offensive threat on his teams while Thompson has spent his whole career playing next to 1-2 ATG offensive threats.


Reggie Miller is actually one of the more underrated players. He was an elite playoff performer. Again - his career playoff average OBPM was 5.0 - Thompson doesn't even have a single postseason that high (to compare to someone in his own era - Pippen never had a single run that good either).


Good analysis. I was on the fence but you pushed me over it. Unfortunately I had to witness it but didn't know the analytical impact of it.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#50 » by JN61 » Thu May 14, 2020 1:01 pm

Not a close debate. It's Reggie Miller by quite a margin. Thompson would have to be FMVP or lead his own team to deep playoff run to have a chance to pass him in my books. Impossible task as of now though.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#51 » by BodieB » Thu May 14, 2020 2:39 pm

Reggie. I've seen Klay disappear for whole playoff series and be carried by the rest of the team only to escape criticism unscathed. It's wild.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#52 » by Winsome Gerbil » Thu May 14, 2020 2:53 pm

I am notorious for considering Reggie limited and overrated, or would be notorious if anybody cared what I thought. That said, Reggie was the man for a pretty good Indiana franchise throughout the 90s. Think they topped out at 54 wins with him as the guy -- as I've said before he was not a true superstar/great one. But still, he filled the role, didn't feel like a fraud doing it, and famously really stepped up when it came winning time.

I don't think there's some huge talent gap here, but what exactly would Klay's claim to fame be to surpass that? That he was somebody's wingman? Or a couple of somebodies' wingman? I think he would be badly exposed as some team's best player, and annually he seems to go the opposite way as Reggie did during the playoffs.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#53 » by TimRobbins » Thu May 14, 2020 2:54 pm

I'd take Klay any day of the week if not just for his defense.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#54 » by Gus Fring » Thu May 14, 2020 3:46 pm

I always thought Klay was pretty overrated. Great shooter, but not the best at getting his own shot off. Not a great rebounder or passer, not a guy who does alot of "glue guy" stuff. He's a fine defender, but not spectacular. Doesn't get to the line, doesn't operate in the post as much as he probably could. He's not inefficient, but he's not as efficient as you expect great shooters to be. There's just alot of things that he can't or doesn't do. I never thought he could be your best offensive player, even if he was surrounded by good talent. Like, I don't know if he could do what Beal did this season which I feel would be a controversial comment to some. Then I looked at his advanced numbers and now I'm pretty sure people just overrate how good or at least how impactful he is.

I think Reggie is also overrated, but he's still better than Klay.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#55 » by NW BBALL » Thu May 14, 2020 5:07 pm

The Pacers actually topped out at 58 wins in ‘98 with Miller as “the guy” and took the Bulls to 7 games in the ECF. Reggie may the second best shooter all-time behind Curry and had an outsized impact of offenses when he played. He is among my top “what if” players whose game I believe would improve greatly in the modern style of play.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#56 » by E-Balla » Thu May 14, 2020 5:15 pm

If you wanted to win a playoff series who here takes Klay over Reggie? There's your answer.
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#57 » by rate_ » Thu May 14, 2020 5:26 pm

3 year playoff run
KT: 23.3 pp75 | +3.3 rTS (2014-16)
RM: 29.1 pp75 | +11.5 rTS (1992-94)
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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#58 » by HurdyGurdyMan » Thu May 14, 2020 5:55 pm

when Klay can do that in an elimination game, we can have a talk

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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#59 » by AdagioPace » Thu May 14, 2020 6:21 pm

rate_ wrote:3 year playoff run
KT: 23.3 pp75 | +3.3 rTS (2014-16)
RM: 29.1 pp75 | +11.5 rTS (1992-94)


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Re: Reggie Miller vs Klay Thompson 

Post#60 » by SpreeS » Thu May 14, 2020 6:32 pm

I saw a lot of Reggie and i am fan of GSW for 27y...compare these two it like compare penis with finger. 5 time in ECF as a man...was defeated by Ewing, O'Neal twice, Jordan. its f... solid group.

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