Did Joakim Noah See a Single Minute Against Jokic?

[FinnTheHuman]

Aside from passing, what skill does Jokic possess in a greater capacity than Giannis?

Shooting, gazillion post moves, you know, the actual things you gotta practice for a long time to get good, the things that are complex and not dictated by what your body type is. Don't call rebounding a skill, don't call shot blocking a skill, don't call dunking a skill, this is no what is colloquially considered a basketball skill, you will just come off as a troll going for cheap relativism.

So, by your admission, the skills that consist a basketball player are passing, shooting, and post moves. Never played defense much?

Yeah, you're definitely a troll trying to argue semantics. Giannis defends better because athletic ability, not skill. Goodbye, you're on the ignore list.

[Clemenza]

We were all wondering how come Noah didn't get a few minutes here and there.. And no he wasn't going to lock down Jokic but really all we needed from him was some block outs, grab some rebounds, and maybe fire up some of his teammates after making a play or two. Trez couldn't guard Jokic, couldn't rebound, and had bad offensive games. Not trying to kill Trez but he was a shell of himself in the bubble. Nuggets got a thousand 2nd chances and rebounds galore. I mean what was the point of signing him in the first place? We were in dire need of any kind of spark we could get

[Duke4life831]

*Radio silence*

Even if I give you Giannis (I won't), I'm also curious to hear how Jokic has more skill than the 2 bigs he is about to face (and yes, for all intents and purposes, LeBron IS a big as he can BECOME a big at any given time -- not to mention sheer size).

Saying KD is a perimeter player does not disqualify the point that he, too, is a big. The REASON why he can play on the perimeter is BECAUSE he is more skilled.

Yeesh....

I believe most people are no longer replying because its become clear youre a troll or have a major lacking in basic basketball knowledge or terminology. Either way its a pointless conversation.

I'd say I have more basketball knowledge that at least 99% of the people in this forum, but go ahead and lock this up.

[The Rodzilla]

he was a great player on noah's ark, thats how he got his nickname but those days are long gone

[Sofia]

*Radio silence*

You posted this 4 minutes after your last post. 4!

Go out and get some sunshine, champ

[tsirigoj]

We were all wondering how come Noah didn't get a few minutes here and there.. And no he wasn't going to lock down Jokic but really all we needed from him was some block outs, grab some rebounds, and maybe fire up some of his teammates after making a play or two. Trez couldn't guard Jokic, couldn't rebound, and had bad offensive games. Not trying to kill Trez but he was a shell of himself in the bubble. Nuggets got a thousand 2nd chances and rebounds galore. I mean what was the point of signing him in the first place? We were in dire need of any kind of spark we could get

The great irony is I get a good response from a Clippers fan, the team that I've (no offense) been joking about for the past 18 or so hours.

I think Trez was a bit undersized and just lacked the general know-how/bball IQ to defend the far superior Jokic.

Again, against AD that will likely be a different story. Jokic will have moments, but he'll finally play a good defensive player that doesn't have 2 left feet (a la Ruby Gobert).

[tsirigoj]

he was a great player on noah's ark, thats how he got his nickname but those days are long gone

haha kudos

[tsirigoj]

Shooting, gazillion post moves, you know, the actual things you gotta practice for a long time to get good, the things that are complex and not dictated by what your body type is. Don't call rebounding a skill, don't call shot blocking a skill, don't call dunking a skill, this is no what is colloquially considered a basketball skill, you will just come off as a troll going for cheap relativism.

So, by your admission, the skills that consist a basketball player are passing, shooting, and post moves. Never played defense much?

Yeah, you're definitely a troll trying to argue semantics. Giannis defends better because athletic ability, not skill. Goodbye, you're on the ignore list.

I'm hurt.

[tsirigoj]

*Radio silence*

You posted this 4 minutes after your last post. 4!

Go out and get some sunshine, champ

I'm sitting here, wondering, was there ever a 25 year old basketball player that won 2 MVPs and a DPOY simply because he was super athletic and had no skill??

Hmmm....

Considering how athletic these NBA players actually are, there's gotta be another one.

Point is: like Harden did a couple of years ago, realize (potential) greatness where it lies. Giannis has it, and he is, indeed, skilled.

[tsirigoj]

Shooting, gazillion post moves, you know, the actual things you gotta practice for a long time to get good, the things that are complex and not dictated by what your body type is. Don't call rebounding a skill, don't call shot blocking a skill, don't call dunking a skill, this is no what is colloquially considered a basketball skill, you will just come off as a troll going for cheap relativism.

So, by your admission, the skills that consist a basketball player are passing, shooting, and post moves. Never played defense much?

Yeah, you're definitely a troll trying to argue semantics. Giannis defends better because athletic ability, not skill. Goodbye, you're on the ignore list.

So, athletic or not, wouldn't you consider it a SKILL to use your athleticism to put you in a position to be such a great defender that you win the DPOY award?

It is not semantics. You literally said that post moves, shooting, and passing were the skills that make up a basketball player. Where is the lie? Where did I use semantics?

I think, logically, you realize that what you are saying doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but you don't want to admit that you are wrong here. It's OK, pride is a bugger.

[Sharkboy242]

*Radio silence*

Even if I give you Giannis (I won't), I'm also curious to hear how Jokic has more skill than the 2 bigs he is about to face (and yes, for all intents and purposes, LeBron IS a big as he can BECOME a big at any given time -- not to mention sheer size).

Saying KD is a perimeter player does not disqualify the point that he, too, is a big. The REASON why he can play on the perimeter is BECAUSE he is more skilled.

Yeesh....

I believe most people are no longer replying because its become clear youre a troll or have a major lacking in basic basketball knowledge or terminology. Either way its a pointless conversation.

I'd say I have more basketball knowledge that at least 99% of the people in this forum, but go ahead and lock this up.

lmao

[europrospect93]

Also, we glossed over the fact that Jokic is ALSO more skilled than Lebron.

Has COVID brought us to a completely different reality?

Has your reading comprehension completely left you? When did LeBron become a big man?

I don't think you understand what a big man is.

Lebron is a 'big man' on many levels.

First of all, he is, indeed a 'man,' and he is 'bigger' than most NBA players. Hence, a 'big man.'

Also, he can (and occasionally, does), play on the post and absolutely dominates. If he divided his time equally between the SF/PF positions, he would be the best small forward to ever play the game AND the best power forward to ever play the game.

I feel kinda stupid just leaving lol emoji without writing anything but I'm literally speechless after reading this.

[tsirigoj]

Has your reading comprehension completely left you? When did LeBron become a big man?

I don't think you understand what a big man is.

Lebron is a 'big man' on many levels.

First of all, he is, indeed a 'man,' and he is 'bigger' than most NBA players. Hence, a 'big man.'

Also, he can (and occasionally, does), play on the post and absolutely dominates. If he divided his time equally between the SF/PF positions, he would be the best small forward to ever play the game AND the best power forward to ever play the game.

I feel kinda stupid just leaving lol emoji without writing anything but I'm literally speechless after reading this.

That was said as a joke hahaha.

But I think an even bigger joke is saying that LeBron isn't a 'big man,' ESPECIALLY given how the 'big man' has evolved in modern day basketball. He's the quintessential big man, actually.

And no, there isn't a single big man that is more skilled than him, probably ever.

[Sgt Major]

Poor Noah can't even have one thread a year and when he gets one, it's derailed immediately

[tsirigoj]

Poor Noah can't even have one thread a year and when he gets one, it's derailed immediately

Part of it was I was a MASSIVE Joakim Noah fan back in the day as I was a high school big man (there's that term again) that prided myself in defense (even though I was a better scorer than Noah haha -- not saying much).

I just wanted to see him play, for old time's sake.

A part of me was sad that the Lakers chose to sign Howard over Noah, but looks like that worked out for us.

[europrospect93]

I don't think you understand what a big man is.

Lebron is a 'big man' on many levels.

First of all, he is, indeed a 'man,' and he is 'bigger' than most NBA players. Hence, a 'big man.'

Also, he can (and occasionally, does), play on the post and absolutely dominates. If he divided his time equally between the SF/PF positions, he would be the best small forward to ever play the game AND the best power forward to ever play the game.

I feel kinda stupid just leaving lol emoji without writing anything but I'm literally speechless after reading this.

That was said as a joke hahaha.

But I think an even bigger joke is saying that LeBron isn't a 'big man,' ESPECIALLY given how the 'big man' has evolved in modern day basketball. He's the quintessential big man, actually.

And no, there isn't a single big man that is more skilled than him, probably ever.

No, he literally is not a big man in basketball terms and he never ever will be. Not even close. Yes, outside of basketball he is quite big I'll give you that. But on the court he plays literally like a complete opposite of big man, traditional or modern. Are you trolling? Because if not you should watch Lakers play sometimes as it seems like you missed 2004-2020.

[Mk0]

Noah would have at least shown some heart. The Clippers were sleepwalking out there.

At the very least he would have brought some much needed energy

[tsirigoj]

I feel kinda stupid just leaving lol emoji without writing anything but I'm literally speechless after reading this.

That was said as a joke hahaha.

But I think an even bigger joke is saying that LeBron isn't a 'big man,' ESPECIALLY given how the 'big man' has evolved in modern day basketball. He's the quintessential big man, actually.

And no, there isn't a single big man that is more skilled than him, probably ever.

No, he literally is not a big man in basketball terms and he never ever will be. Not even close. Yes, outside of basketball he is quite big I'll give you that. But on the court he plays literally like a complete opposite of big man, traditional or modern. Are you trolling? Because if not you should watch Lakers play sometimes as it seems like you missed 2004-2020.

I advise you to watch Finals vs. Thunder.

Come back and tell me that LeBron isn't a big man.

How would you define a big man in modern context? Gone are the days that the 'big man' is your PF or Center that hangs under the rim.

Lebron plays on the post WITH EASE and can dominate, and he can guard other bigs well. The big man has evolved into a player that is essentially another guard in the modern NBA that is expected to be able to shoot and pass the ball well.

[tsirigoj]

Noah would have at least shown some heart. The Clippers were sleepwalking out there.

At the very least he would have brought some much needed energy

My thoughts exactly!

ESPECIALLY because reports are coming out that Clippers couldn't play more than 3 minutes at a time in the last quarter due to exhaustion. It seems like it only would make sense to give Noah some burn.

[GuyverX]

The answer is no and it's because Doc doesn't know how to experiment or adjust to the matchups. Other than inserting Reggie Jackson in a pressure-filled quarter with zero playing time up until that point. Just horrible.