Hawks in lead to land Bogdan; Lakers in pursuit

Klayforspicy · Post #41 » by **Klayforspicy** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:58 pm

TheProdigy wrote:
Brandon_Roy wrote:Lakers 3peating if they get Bogdan, 2 way guard is all they needed

Better look elsewhere because Bogdan isn't a 2 way guard. He's an average defender at best.

I see, for some reason i thought he played over Buddy because of defense

kg01 · Post #42 » by **kg01** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:58 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
NekiEcko wrote:
That is the beauty of it, we still have cap space to get him or many other pieces to move around if a SnT will happen. I think that Trae is very happy about all of this right now.

BTW, we will NOT SEND HUNTER OR REDDISH in any trade unless it is for a bigger fish in the sea.

I’m guessing the Kings are asking for 1 of Hunter, Reddish or Huerter in the sign and trade or they match. Remember our GM is from Houston. They could easily play 3 guards in Fox Hield and Bogi.

Hawks have zero reason to give in to Kings demands. Just offer him $22M per and dare the Kings to match. They have the leverage of money and not needing the Kings to do anything but not match.

I have no idea what is going on with Kings media right now but they are killing you guys--they are telling you guys you have leverage you absolutely do not have.

This plus the Hawks could've just walk away feeling ok that they have a reasonable facsimile of Bogd in Heurter.

raleigh · Post #43 » by **raleigh** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:59 pm

JB2 wrote:Is a 2 year $18M with a player option next season enough

His qualifying offer is for ~$11M. He'd just take that instead, I think?

EArl · Post #44 » by **EArl** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:59 pm

Brandon_Roy wrote:Lakers 3peating if they get Bogdan, 2 way guard is all they needed

Is his defense really that good? I keep hearing from others that its serviceable.

Post #45 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:59 pm

Lakers should rather have KCP and use Kuzma/McGee to trade for a backup SF defender

Vae Victus · Post #46 » by **Vae Victus** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:06 pm

If ATL gets Bogdan with their cap space, that leaves Hayward and BOS up **** creek huh.

NYK is the only remaining team with major cap space, which is the only destination Hayward can goto to get a big deal short of re-signing with BOS. IND is in hot pursuit of Hayward but.... why should they overpay Hayward on his contract AND give up Myles Turner + McBuckets, without trying to extract a Ainge like ransom out of BOS. Either Hayward tries to re-sign with BOS (and why would Ainge bring him back at big money), IND doesnt give up much of value to get S&T Hayward, or perhaps NYK can worm their way in somehow to get some assets, via threat of just outright luring Hayward away from BOS/IND.

I wonder if there's a way NYK can finesse IND to give them Myles Turner, while only giving up minor assets + TPE to BOS. It's basically an ultimate screw over BOS move, but BOS can either get a TPE + minor assets, re-sign Hayward, or get nothing if NYK just decides to poach Hayward. If IND wants Hayward so bad, why would they care where Myles Turner and McBuckets goes.

So basically

IND trades
Myles Turner
Dougie McBuckets - might not have to trade him if NYK's cap space can create large enough TPEs

Receives
Hayward

BOS Sign & Trades
Hayward (4 yr 100m?)

Receives
Large ass TPE
Draft compensation and/or whatever they might be interested in NYK's roster

NYK trades
Cap space
Draft compensation and/or whatever players BOS is interested on their roster

Basically if Hayward wants to get paid its either NYK or re-signing with BOS. If Indy wants him, they gotta pony up players up to give Hayward the salary he desires. NYK can just **** everyone over by giving Hayward a 1/2 year near max deal. Or if Indy gives up and BOS doesnt want to re-sign Hayward cuz they'd rather have a non tax MLE... well Hayward is gonna get a smaller deal from NYK due to no market

EArl · Post #47 » by **EArl** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:10 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Lakers should rather have KCP and use Kuzma/McGee to trade for a backup SF defender

I don't think we can give up Mcgee. We technically only have him and Harrell as our centers and Harrell is obviously only works in certain situations.

Fra Diavolo · Post #48 » by **Fra Diavolo** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:20 pm

EArl wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Lakers should rather have KCP and use Kuzma/McGee to trade for a backup SF defender

I don't think we can give up Mcgee. We technically only have him and Harrell as our centers and Harrell is obviously only works in certain situations.

What if Lakers can sign Marc Gasol and maybe Noel or Cousins for backup?
And Lakers still have AD don't forget.

LightTheBeam · Post #49 » by **LightTheBeam** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:25 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
NekiEcko wrote:
That is the beauty of it, we still have cap space to get him or many other pieces to move around if a SnT will happen. I think that Trae is very happy about all of this right now.

BTW, we will NOT SEND HUNTER OR REDDISH in any trade unless it is for a bigger fish in the sea.

I’m guessing the Kings are asking for 1 of Hunter, Reddish or Huerter in the sign and trade or they match. Remember our GM is from Houston. They could easily play 3 guards in Fox Hield and Bogi.

Hawks have zero reason to give in to Kings demands. Just offer him $22M per and dare the Kings to match. They have the leverage of money and not needing the Kings to do anything but not match.

I have no idea what is going on with Kings media right now but they are killing you guys--they are telling you guys you have leverage you absolutely do not have.

Kings media has been silent. But Bogdan is a restricted free agent? Of course we can just match.

"Hey Atlanta, how bad do you want Bogdan? Well give us this player or pick and we won't match". Now it comes down to how bad Atlanta wants him, maybe they don't care enough to give anything up, or maybe they do. We will see.

We literally saw this same thing play out last year in Indiana. They gave Milwaukee a pick not to match..

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In-N-Out 247 · Post #50 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:28 pm

jk31 wrote:Can someone explain why the bucks are not in the run anymore? I mean it's not for Bogdanovic to decide, where he ends up, right? Only thing important is that his new salary makes the trade valid.

Bogdan absolutely has a say in where he signs. The Kings have a lot of leverage, but they can’t send him somewhere without his approval. As a restricted free agent he basically has 3 options. He can try to work out a s&t, sign with another team (which the Kings could match) or just re-sign with the Kings.

NoZoLakers · Post #51 » by **NoZoLakers** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:28 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
Optms wrote:lol If he ends on the Lakers, I officially would dare anyone to find me a better GM then Pelinka.

Chill dude... having Lebron and AD fall in your lap does not make you a good GM lol.

adding good supporting players does

NekiEcko · Post #52 » by **NekiEcko** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:29 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
I’m guessing the Kings are asking for 1 of Hunter, Reddish or Huerter in the sign and trade or they match. Remember our GM is from Houston. They could easily play 3 guards in Fox Hield and Bogi.

Hawks have zero reason to give in to Kings demands. Just offer him $22M per and dare the Kings to match. They have the leverage of money and not needing the Kings to do anything but not match.

I have no idea what is going on with Kings media right now but they are killing you guys--they are telling you guys you have leverage you absolutely do not have.
Kings media has been silent. But Bogdan is a restricted free agent? Of course we can just match.

"Hey Atlanta, how bad do you want Bogdan? Well give us this player or pick and we won't match". Now it comes down to how bad Atlanta wants him, maybe they don't care enough to give anything up, or maybe they do. We will see.

We literally saw this same thing play out last year in Indiana. They gave Milwaukee a pick not to match..

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How about OKC 2022 1st pick (that turns into 2 2nd rounders)

Fra Diavolo · Post #53 » by **Fra Diavolo** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:30 pm

Kuzma (LAL can give him extension, right?) + MccGee + Tucker for Bogdan and Bjelica.

Sign Marc Gasol and voila.

LightTheBeam · Post #54 » by **LightTheBeam** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:32 pm

NekiEcko wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Hawks have zero reason to give in to Kings demands. Just offer him $22M per and dare the Kings to match. They have the leverage of money and not needing the Kings to do anything but not match.

I have no idea what is going on with Kings media right now but they are killing you guys--they are telling you guys you have leverage you absolutely do not have.
Kings media has been silent. But Bogdan is a restricted free agent? Of course we can just match.

"Hey Atlanta, how bad do you want Bogdan? Well give us this player or pick and we won't match". Now it comes down to how bad Atlanta wants him, maybe they don't care enough to give anything up, or maybe they do. We will see.

We literally saw this same thing play out last year in Indiana. They gave Milwaukee a pick not to match..

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How about OKC 2022 1st pick (that turns into 2 2nd rounders)

Personally I'd rather just bring Bogdan back. We will have to see what management thinks about that

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Sactowndog · Post #55 » by **Sactowndog** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:32 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
NekiEcko wrote:
That is the beauty of it, we still have cap space to get him or many other pieces to move around if a SnT will happen. I think that Trae is very happy about all of this right now.

BTW, we will NOT SEND HUNTER OR REDDISH in any trade unless it is for a bigger fish in the sea.

I’m guessing the Kings are asking for 1 of Hunter, Reddish or Huerter in the sign and trade or they match. Remember our GM is from Houston. They could easily play 3 guards in Fox Hield and Bogi.

Hawks have zero reason to give in to Kings demands. Just offer him $22M per and dare the Kings to match. They have the leverage of money and not needing the Kings to do anything but not match.

I have no idea what is going on with Kings media right now but they are killing you guys--they are telling you guys you have leverage you absolutely do not have.

Then I’m guessing the Kings match.

I think if you are the Kings front office 2 things are true:

1) in the current environment cap space is of little value in terms of signing free agents.

2) allowing restricted free agents to easily walk with no compensation is a bad precedent to set. Especially for the Kings...

The Kings would be foolish to let Bogi walk with no compensation. Better to match, play a 3 guard line up, lose and get a good pick. Then maybe trade one of Bogi or Buddy next year.

raleigh · Post #56 » by **raleigh** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:33 pm

NekiEcko wrote:How about OKC 2022 1st pick (that turns into 2 2nd rounders)

Well, it would be the OKC faux-first AND the TPE.

NekiEcko · Post #57 » by **NekiEcko** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:34 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
NekiEcko wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Kings media has been silent. But Bogdan is a restricted free agent? Of course we can just match.

"Hey Atlanta, how bad do you want Bogdan? Well give us this player or pick and we won't match". Now it comes down to how bad Atlanta wants him, maybe they don't care enough to give anything up, or maybe they do. We will see.

We literally saw this same thing play out last year in Indiana. They gave Milwaukee a pick not to match..

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How about OKC 2022 1st pick (that turns into 2 2nd rounders)
Personally I'd rather just bring Bogdan back. We will have to see what management thinks about that

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So you think he will decide today or not?

Sactowndog · Post #58 » by **Sactowndog** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:34 pm

NekiEcko wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Hawks have zero reason to give in to Kings demands. Just offer him $22M per and dare the Kings to match. They have the leverage of money and not needing the Kings to do anything but not match.

I have no idea what is going on with Kings media right now but they are killing you guys--they are telling you guys you have leverage you absolutely do not have.
Kings media has been silent. But Bogdan is a restricted free agent? Of course we can just match.

"Hey Atlanta, how bad do you want Bogdan? Well give us this player or pick and we won't match". Now it comes down to how bad Atlanta wants him, maybe they don't care enough to give anything up, or maybe they do. We will see.

We literally saw this same thing play out last year in Indiana. They gave Milwaukee a pick not to match..

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How about OKC 2022 1st pick (that turns into 2 2nd rounders)

That pick will be two seconds almost for sure. Better to just match.

In-N-Out 247 · Post #59 » by **In-N-Out 247** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:34 pm

Vae Victus wrote:If ATL gets Bogdan with their cap space, that leaves Hayward and BOS up **** creek huh.

NYK is the only remaining team with major cap space, which is the only destination Hayward can goto to get a big deal short of re-signing with BOS. IND is in hot pursuit of Hayward but.... why should they overpay Hayward on his contract AND give up Myles Turner + McBuckets, without trying to extract a Ainge like ransom out of BOS. Either Hayward tries to re-sign with BOS (and why would Ainge bring him back at big money), IND doesnt give up much of value to get S&T Hayward, or perhaps NYK can worm their way in somehow to get some assets, via threat of just outright luring Hayward away from BOS/IND.

I wonder if there's a way NYK can finesse IND to give them Myles Turner, while only giving up minor assets + TPE to BOS. It's basically an ultimate screw over BOS move, but BOS can either get a TPE + minor assets, re-sign Hayward, or get nothing if NYK just decides to poach Hayward. If IND wants Hayward so bad, why would they care where Myles Turner and McBuckets goes.

So basically

IND trades
Myles Turner
Dougie McBuckets - might not have to trade him if NYK's cap space can create large enough TPEs

Receives
Hayward

BOS Sign & Trades
Hayward (4 yr 100m?)

Receives
Large ass TPE
Draft compensation and/or whatever they might be interested in NYK's roster

NYK trades
Cap space
Draft compensation and/or whatever players BOS is interested on their roster

Basically if Hayward wants to get paid its either NYK or re-signing with BOS. If Indy wants him, they gotta pony up players up to give Hayward the salary he desires. NYK can just **** everyone over by giving Hayward a 1/2 year near max deal. Or if Indy gives up and BOS doesnt want to re-sign Hayward cuz they'd rather have a non tax MLE... well Hayward is gonna get a smaller deal from NYK due to no market

This screws over Hayward, assuming Knicks don’t make a big money offer. It helps the Celtics big time though. Why would they agree to a S&T if it’s not on their terms, it’s not like Hayward can get more than the mle from anybody else now.

Tor_Raps · Post #60 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:34 pm

NoZoLakers wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Optms wrote:lol If he ends on the Lakers, I officially would dare anyone to find me a better GM then Pelinka.

Chill dude... having Lebron and AD fall in your lap does not make you a good GM lol.

adding good supporting players does

Oh wow... adding good "support players" to 2 top 5 players. Must be a real hard job loll.