Who do you think was a better "Robin": Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis?

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #41 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:18 am

Drygon wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Curry was not by far the more impactful player when you account for defense. I would still give the nod to Curry but by a slight edge.

Slight edge? Looking at impact stats, Curry was definitely more impactful player than KD in 3 seasons together.

Metallikid wrote:Kevin Durant was never the Robin, Steph was.

How is someone considered more impactful to a team be considered a lot worse than someone who is only better on 1 on 1.

The last time I watched, basketball is a team sport.

Brooklyn91 wrote::lol: @ a 2x FMVP being a “robin”

By your reasoning, I guess Steph Curry was a "Robin" to Andre Iguodala who won 2015 Finals MVP.

Or Kevin Garnett being 2nd fiddle to Paul Pierce (an All-Star unlike Iggy) who won 2008 Finals MVP.

KHRICH wrote:KD was batman nice try.

Not really. Curry's impact stats tells otherwise.

You're leaving at the fact that Kevin Durant is taller and therefore better

No one thinks that Kevin Durant was actually better than Stephen Curry. It's just trolls and KD/Nike burner accounts. There's more evidence that the earth is flat than "KD is better than Curry."

Joerezz7 · Post #42 » by **Joerezz7** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:24 am

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Drygon wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Curry was not by far the more impactful player when you account for defense. I would still give the nod to Curry but by a slight edge.

Slight edge? Looking at impact stats, Curry was definitely more impactful player than KD in 3 seasons together.

Metallikid wrote:Kevin Durant was never the Robin, Steph was.

How is someone considered more impactful to a team be considered a lot worse than someone who is only better on 1 on 1.

The last time I watched, basketball is a team sport.

Brooklyn91 wrote::lol: @ a 2x FMVP being a “robin”

By your reasoning, I guess Steph Curry was a "Robin" to Andre Iguodala who won 2015 Finals MVP.

Or Kevin Garnett being 2nd fiddle to Paul Pierce (an All-Star unlike Iggy) who won 2008 Finals MVP.

KHRICH wrote:KD was batman nice try.

Not really. Curry's impact stats tells otherwise.

You're leaving at the fact that Kevin Durant is taller and therefore better

No one thinks that Kevin Durant was actually better than Stephen Curry. It's just trolls and KD/Nike burner accounts. There's more evidence that the earth is flat then KD is there than Curry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833408-kevin-durant-the-best-player-in-the-league-should-be-a-long-term-warrior

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #43 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:26 am

Joerezz7 wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Drygon wrote:
Slight edge? Looking at impact stats, Curry was definitely more impactful player than KD in 3 seasons together.

How is someone considered more impactful to a team be considered a lot worse than someone who is only better on 1 on 1.

The last time I watched, basketball is a team sport.

By your reasoning, I guess Steph Curry was a "Robin" to Andre Iguodala who won 2015 Finals MVP.

Or Kevin Garnett being 2nd fiddle to Paul Pierce (an All-Star unlike Iggy) who won 2008 Finals MVP.

Not really. Curry's impact stats tells otherwise.

You're leaving at the fact that Kevin Durant is taller and therefore better

No one thinks that Kevin Durant was actually better than Stephen Curry. It's just trolls and KD/Nike burner accounts. There's more evidence that the earth is flat then KD is there than Curry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833408-kevin-durant-the-best-player-in-the-league-should-be-a-long-term-warrior

Oh look, an article that says that KD and Damian Lillard are the two best players in the NBA. Now I'm totally convinced. I'll completely wipe my memory of every single game I've watched and all the stats I've seen.

Drygon · Post #44 » by **Drygon** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:29 am

LoneyROY wrote:Imagine thinking KD was ever the robin on those GS teams.

I'm not really sure how that's a controversial statement.

Most people agrees that AD was a Robin due to how LeBron was Lakers' most impactful player & made things easier for AD.

Well, the very same reasoning can easily be said for Curry.

Ben Taylor did an excellent job highlighting on how Curry was more valuable for GSW and elevated KD's game.

People don't respect KD's accomplishments on GSW because he was a Robin there. It's just that simple.

Watch on YouTube

;t

RoyceDa59 · Post #45 » by **RoyceDa59** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:32 am

Kevin Durant wasn’t close to a Robin.

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Joerezz7 · Post #46 » by **Joerezz7** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:32 am

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Joerezz7 wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
You're leaving at the fact that Kevin Durant is taller and therefore better

No one thinks that Kevin Durant was actually better than Stephen Curry. It's just trolls and KD/Nike burner accounts. There's more evidence that the earth is flat then KD is there than Curry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833408-kevin-durant-the-best-player-in-the-league-should-be-a-long-term-warrior

Oh look, an article that says that KD and Damian Lillard are the two best players in the NBA. Now I'm totally convinced. I'll completely wipe my memory of every single game I've watched and all the stats I've seen.

Watch on YouTube

Just showing you that no one agrees with you. As you can see Im giving you legit sports media sources, not just some random guy doing a YouTube video.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #47 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:33 am

AD might be the best robin in history, or at least one of the best. Because he has best player in the league talent but not the mentality.

KD has the talent and the mentality but went to GSW to guarantee some chips because he was going to get sent home by the Cavs or GSW otherwise. He is too good to be a robin.

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oaktownwarriors87 · Post #48 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:34 am

Benedict_Boozer wrote:KD has the talent and the mentality but went to GSW to guarantee some chips because he was going to get sent home by the Cavs

KD got sent home by the Warriors. He's lost his last three games to Curry, all three in the Western Conference Finals.

LoneyROY · Post #49 » by **LoneyROY** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:36 am

Drygon wrote:
LoneyROY wrote:Imagine thinking KD was ever the robin on those GS teams.

I'm not really sure how that's a controversial statement.

Most people agrees that AD was a Robin due to how LeBron was Lakers' most impact player & made things easier for AD.

Well, the very same reasoning can easily be said for Curry.

Ben Taylor did an excellent job highlighting on how Curry was more valuable for GSW and elevated KD's game.

People don't respect KD's accomplishments on GSW because he was a Robin there. It's just that simple.

Watch on YouTube
;t

Sorry, but that's just simply untrue. :lol:

KD was WIDELY regarded by the end of that 2-year run as the best player on that team and was going head-to-head with LeBron for best player in the world.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #50 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:36 am

Joerezz7 wrote:
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Joerezz7 wrote:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833408-kevin-durant-the-best-player-in-the-league-should-be-a-long-term-warrior

Oh look, an article that says that KD and Damian Lillard are the two best players in the NBA. Now I'm totally convinced. I'll completely wipe my memory of every single game I've watched and all the stats I've seen.

Watch on YouTube

Just showing you that no one agrees with you. As you can see Im giving you legit sports media sources, not just some random guy doing a YouTube video.

Legitimate sports media? What's next, skip Bayless?

These guys say stupid things everyday just to get reactions and ratings. You might as well be quoting Donald Trump.

Read on Twitter

You know why the Warriors plus minus wasn't that great with Durant and without Curry? Because Durant's not a real number one option. He's a Robin. The greatest Robin I've ever seen.

benson13 · Post #51 » by **benson13** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:43 am

Harry Garris wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Curry was not by far the more impactful player when you account for defense. I would still give the nod to Curry but by a slight edge.

According to like any advanced metric you want to look at Curry was the more impactful player. Durant is a better individual player, but he isolated a lot and dribbled a lot and took a lot of midrange jumpers. Kevin Durant doing his thing isnt inefficient or anything, it's a very effective way to score. But the Warriors offense with Curry spacing the floor and running off screens was on another level.

The only point you're making then is that the interpretation of the numbers is wrong.

The truth is the Warriors struggled mightly in the Finals against LeBron's Cavs in 2016 and 2017. Advanced stats(and conventional stats) said those series weren't supposed to be close. After the addition of KD, it wasn't close. You could argue Durant's just made Golden State overwhelming from a talent standpoint. The truth is Durant just mitigated Cleveland's defense of Curry. Durant is a guy that even a focused LeBron has no chance of slowing down. That's really all you need to know about the comparison.

Analytics are a valuable tool, but they're not the only tool. Use common sense kids.

Jimmy Recard · Post #52 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:46 am

I’ll just leave this here

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #53 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:47 am

benson13 wrote:
Harry Garris wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Curry was not by far the more impactful player when you account for defense. I would still give the nod to Curry but by a slight edge.

According to like any advanced metric you want to look at Curry was the more impactful player. Durant is a better individual player, but he isolated a lot and dribbled a lot and took a lot of midrange jumpers. Kevin Durant doing his thing isnt inefficient or anything, it's a very effective way to score. But the Warriors offense with Curry spacing the floor and running off screens was on another level.

The only point you're making then is that the interpretation of the numbers is wrong.

The truth is the Warriors struggled mightly in the Finals against LeBron's Cavs. You could argue Durant's just made Golden State overwhelming from a talent standpoint. The truth is Durant just mitigated Cleveland's defense of Curry. Durant is a guy that even a focused LeBron has no chance of slowing down. That's really all you need to know about the comparison.

Analytics are a valuable tool, but they're not the only tool. Use common sense kids.

They struggled mightily? They lost in seven games, and their biggest weakness is that they only had one player on their team that could get their own shot.

It took injuries, a suspension, and mysterious fouls on Stephen Curry that sent him to the bench to take down the Warriors. Stephen Curry almost repeated while being the only shot creator on his team.

Get out of here with your alternative facts.

andrewww · Post #54 » by **andrewww** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:48 am

They were both Batmans.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #55 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:48 am

Jimmy Recard wrote:I’ll just leave this here

Yep. Want to know what NBA teams actually think? Look at how they play defense.

CIN-C-STAR · Post #56 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:52 am

I think you can throw Pippen in there, too.
KD is an efficient iso scorer, which is hugely valuable, but worse than Pippen and AD at maybe everything else -- defense and rebounding for sure, and definitely a worse passer than Pippen, not sure about AD.
Definitely 3 of the greatest "Robins" in league history. I'd throw 3peat Kobe in there too. Could also include rookie Magic, Oscar Robertson, and I'm sure a few guys from Russell's Celtics (Hondo?).
No shame in it. Many of the greatest players in history were Robins for one or more championships, and Durant still has time to get one with his own team.

Brooklyn91 · Post #57 » by **Brooklyn91** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:08 am

LoneyROY wrote:Imagine thinking KD was ever the robin on those GS teams.

His trophy case says differently.

And notice every answer to how KD could possibly be a robin is never answered directly. It’s always Steph gravity, not what he actually did with the ball in his hands :lol:

or some other **** that don’t got nothing to do with nothing

I have never in all my years of watching basketball heard that a man who averaged 35/8/5/1/1.6 on 50/40/90+, unanimous FMVP, was somehow the robin in that same series. :lol:

Curry fans trying to use every analytic possible to explain away common sense and insult people’s intelligence, like who in the **** put up KDs numbers back to back and was considered a “robin” to a player inferior to him in both series, and didn’t get one single FMVP vote in 2017, and scored all of 11 points in a series defining Game 3 in 2018 :lol:

Peregrine01 · Post #58 » by **Peregrine01** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:13 am

Metallikid wrote:Kevin Durant was never the Robin, Steph was.

If by Robin, it is meant that one guy was secondary to another guy's primacy on offense, then KD was more fitting of the Robin title. It was also no secret who defenses were keyed on first and foremost.

Metallikid · Post #59 » by **Metallikid** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:52 am

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:I’ll just leave this here

Yep. Want to know what NBA teams actually think? Look at how they play defense.

That's disingenuous. Curry was the primary ballhandler. You double the ballhandler is many more situations just for being the ballhandler, but especially when it's a player of Curry's calibre. KD played more of an off-ball, spot up/post up and iso style in Golden State than he ever did with the Thunder. So yeah, very rarely does a player get double teamed without having the ball in their hands for most of the shot clock.

lazybatman · Post #60 » by **lazybatman** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:01 am

Drygon wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Curry was not by far the more impactful player when you account for defense. I would still give the nod to Curry but by a slight edge.

Slight edge? Looking at impact stats, Curry was definitely more impactful player than KD in 3 seasons together.

Metallikid wrote:Kevin Durant was never the Robin, Steph was.

How is someone considered more impactful to a team be considered a lot worse than someone who is only better on 1 on 1.

The last time I watched, basketball is a team sport.

Brooklyn91 wrote::lol: @ a 2x FMVP being a “robin”

By your reasoning, I guess Steph Curry was a "Robin" to Andre Iguodala who won 2015 Finals MVP.

Or Kevin Garnett being 2nd fiddle to Paul Pierce (an All-Star unlike Iggy) who won 2008 Finals MVP.

KHRICH wrote:KD was batman nice try.

Not really. Curry's impact stats tells otherwise.

That's a ridiculous stat.. but I fully expect some brainless handwaving at it cos "KD was FMVP" :lol:

And I'm Batman.